Archives: August 2002

Me Again~~~~
Thanks Steve for posting the pics! I sure wish I could have been in Ohio for both of these shows.
Hi Gerry! ~~~ Seeing your Cleveland skiline pic, brought Jeff Larsons Fragile Sunrise songs to mind. I have been listening to this great CD again today. Wow I could pick a couple of these songs for this setting. I think you have captured the very essence of this skyline view, and you couldn't have picked a more perfect time of day for this pic. I love the neat hues of color in this pic. The first Jeff L song that comes to mind is Changing Colors, then A Sparkle to It and then Halfmoon Bay (Now I know this song is about a place in Calif.) but the lyrics ~~~~~~Moonlight water, midnight fire ~~~something in between ~~~ stirring in the wishing well ~~ the ripples of a dream. ~~~~ Hold the hand & light the night ~~~~~ just say it all about this setting. Last but not least the song Norman comes to mind also, because of the boat on the water and the people who are in it, how lucky they were to be there at that moment to take all this in. Nice!
Regarding the Portsmouth pic, sure it's not one of the breathtaking views, but from this pic I can tell you must have been staying in a newly developed area and by the looks of it plans are in the making for beautifying this landscape. I happened to notice the pickup truck in the lot with the man checking something in front of this truck, and on his door it says hmmmmmm something Tree Service (Oooops I kinda forgot the name of his business~~ Sorry). Anyway by the looks of both these pics, the late summer days & nights added to the magic of both of these shows.
Good Night All ! ~~ Nancy :)
~~~~ Mary's tune is playing on my mind ~~~~ we can count the stars but not too clear ~~~ tell me about the stars that I can't see~~~~~ Nice :) Oooooh I am soooo glad I got this CD ~~~ I just love it! WOW!

The pass was a gift - don't get those all the time!! As for the pub, a few band members and techs were in the house!

Sorry...but that wasn't one of the best...a parking lot...okay I should say how great it is but am being very honest...it doesn't match up to the rest of them so tell Gerry to leave it out of the book!

Gerry is in Portsmouth, Ohio today. Click here to see the view from his hotel window.

Thanks Steve...but I think they left out a few songs..."I Had a Little Dreydl" and "Chanukah, Oh Chanukah!". What's up with that? If the title is "Holiday Harmony" shouldn't it include some Chanukah songs? LOL!!

Gerry was in Cleveland, Ohio yesterday but he didn't get a photo from his hotel room. Click here to see a bonus view of the Cleveland skyline.

Hi Everyone,
Nice to hear your review CJ! I was wondering how the show went, it had to be a beautiful evening there in Cleveland, it sure was a nice day here in Pa. What a nice thoughtful gift someone gave you Wow a back-stage Pass! Nice Friend you have there! You even had front row seats ~~Lucky you! You even said Hi to the guys ~~~ Now that is what I call a Perfect night for sure! You had to be smiling for sure! Nice that you are taking in the Cinci shows too~~ WOW!!!
Regarding Bread ~~~ Hmmm I found a song by them that is called "Take Me Now" does anyone know which album this is from. It is such a nice song, Hey DanC could this be on the Lost without your Love album? It sounds like it is only David Gates singing this song though. Oh well anyway it is really a nice song! ~~~~I'll bet you are smiling because the Baseball players decided not to strike Right? This would have been the last weekend the Pool is open where I take the kids, but it is too cool to go swimming! It sure was a nice summer for swimming this year! :) Have a good day all ~~~ Nancy :)
~~~~~~ I'll try to be all you want me too, So come on and Take me now , take my love, wake up to the feelings that I've been dreaming of, take me now, take me fast, you can trust in me our love will last ~~~~ Nice song! :)

The pass was a gift - don't get those all the time!! As for the pub, a few band members and techs were in the house!

Hi everyone! I am sorry to say that I had to miss the Oshkosh, WI concert due to family illness. I was so looking forward to it--now I will have to wait probably another year to see them again. I fully intended to tell everyone about it. I guess the guys really liked Oshkosh judging by the pictures and I hope the band as a whole had a great time. Hopefully I won't have to wait too long to see them again! I am sure the concert was absolutely wonderful and if anyone else who posts here attended the concert, please post about it, I am dying to find out everything about it! Thanks!

LisaRose, Here's a link to the Holiday Harmony web page which includes the track list. The web page is incomplete so none of the links on it work, but you can at least see the track list. --SteveL

The pass was a gift - don't get those all the time!! As for the pub, a few band members and techs were in the house!

Chris, how did you manage to get back stage? And the pub; were the guys there as well?

Just thought I'd drop a line to say that the show here was just great - got front row right in front of Dewey!! Setlist was what we've seen before and the band was tight - vocals were just dynamite!!! The only disappointment was that they didn't sell more seats?!?! There were plenty of General Admission onlookers and all in attendance enjoyed the show! Got to hang out backstage and said "Hi" to the Boys!!! We did manage to convince a bellhop to find an open pub around the corner - then we proceeded to close it!! The company and the conversation (even the fish stories) were just plain f-i-n-e!! Can't wait to see you all again - 2 months 'til that triple-header in Cincy!! Thanks to all - had a large time!!

Chris

Very exciting news Steve! Can you post the track listing? lis I apologize if it was already posted but I have been away on vacation and it's difficult to catch up.

The only studio album I have is "Lost Without Your Love". There are some really good tunes on this album. It came out in 1977 and I would suggest it to any serious Bread listener. My faves are Fly Away, Today's The First Day andThe Chosen One. Give it a listen Ladd and let me know what you think. if you can find a copy that is...DanC.

Me Again~~
Hi Jeff ~~~ Me too, I went to CD Now and I have mine added to my wish list for now, I hope this means that they are reserving me a copy. Does anybody here know how this wish list item works????
Yes Yes Yes! Now for the release date on the Live Cayman CD, this birthday wish of mine still has a chance to come true! :)
See ya, Nancy :)
~~~ and Iiiiii just want to thank you for giving me the best day of my life, knowwww just to be with you, is having the best day of my life~~~ andddd Iiiii just want to thank you for giving me the best day of my life, knowwwww just to be with you is having the best day of my life ~~~~ :) :) :)

Jaime --Thanks for sharing... I thought it was pretty catchy and enjoyed it. The America influences are very clear. Wish I had your talent.

Rich

Looking forward to it.

JB

This stuff is very good--but it's not elite. It reminds me a lot of a guy named Paul Brill who opened up for America when I saw them the other month. Good acoustic pop with very nasal male vocals. But melodically, it never quite goes far enough for me. I think melody died when the 70s ended. Everything nowadays sound so white-washed--like it's being standardized to fit radio (which has become a clone factory). Jamie's stuff is pretty and nice, but I'd like to see more instrumentation (there's an acoustic guitar break in this sample that is great and TOO BRIEF--more jams!) and something a little more vulnerable and desperate melodically.

2 cents pitched in,

LE

Hi Everyone ~~ It's one of those wall to wall blue-eyes sky here today in Pa & it is Friday too! :)

Thanks Linda for sharing these pics with us, some nice ones for sure, I especially like the one of Dewey smiling ~~ Nice!
Nice song Jamie ~~ I like your taste in music, and lyrics too, really nice! Hey Red ~~~ I think that Jamie should join Gerry & Dewey at a show near to him, and do the song Hat Trick with them !
Oh Red ~~~ hmmmmm the Pepsi Center there in Denver ~~~~ isn't this where you will see America/Kansas on 9-20, and then the Eagles on 9-22? Lots of nice things coming your way there in Denver, I envy you sooo much getting to take all of this in, and just to think you will get to hear Timothy B sing "I Can't Tell You Why" While I was out hanging up clothes I heard Best of my Love on the radio ~~~ another nice Eagles song for sure! Hmmmm regarding the Cart race being there in Denver this weekend, I am wondering if that one young german cart driver is back to racing these again, he had been in a pretty bad accident last year, and it was something he made it through this alive... I am having some trouble remembering his name though. Hey Rusty, Mark, Tony and the rest of the Nascar gang are heading to Charlotte, NC for the Bud Shootout! ~~~ Go RUSTY! :) I liked your thot for the day! There are some good ones out there relating to this subject. Did you ever hear the one where this Guy was out and met this girl and he kinda liked her, well anyway he asked what's your a/s/l and screen name, She just looked at him, like where are you coming from. Ahhhh! A whole new perspective on meeting someone! LOL!
Hard to believe Labor Day Weekend is upon us already, summer went by way too quickly. Have a good one everyone! Nancy :)
~~~~~ Some dreams are in the nighttime and some seem like yesterday , but leaves turn brown and fade, ships sail away, you long to say a thousand words, but Seasons Changeeeeeee, It feels like its forever, no reason for emptiness, but time just runs away, no more day by day, you dream of a day when Seasons Change ~~~~ Seasons change ~~ People change, I 'll sacrafice tomorrow just to have you here today~~~~~~ :)

According to CDNOW.COM the Holiday Harmony CD will be released on October 1.

Waiting to hear about the concert in Oskosh by gosh. RC are u going to the concert in Cleveland today? They are racing CART cars around the Pepsi Center here in Denver today. Lots of horsepower, kinda like my service vehicle, ha! Everyone have a super & safe Labor Day weekend.

When Spud was a young thang, I was teaching her how to unbuckle her seat belt.
"Do I click the square?"

"Yes," I said.

"Single click or double click?"

A mind is a terrible thing.............

Wow...what a beautiful picture...thanks for sharing Gerry!

Erin :o)

Good Evening !!
Hey Gerry ~~~ AWESOME PIC ~~~ Breathtaking for sure! WOW! Kinda romantic too! Nice! I definitely think there is an inspiration here for some nice lyrics for a new song to add to your next solo release! And it just may be better than Kiss of Life! ( sure do love this song) ~~~~~ Thanks!
Hey Steve L ~~~ You sure are doing a great job getting all of this neat stuff posted for us to enjoy, Thanks! :)
Hi Speech ~~ I meant to mention in my last post, it sure sounds like a nice stressbuster you have there riding your bike and listening to some really great music. I like Neil Young also, I haven't heard the album you mentioned here, I will have to look around and try to find it........
Hey Steve W ~~~ The Nitty Gritty CD you mentioned, I have it on cassette, Wow I haven't listened to this for a long time..... :)
Hey there Moser ~~~~ Yes Gerry is sooooo WOW! Dewey is looking good tooo, I think Andrew Gold hit it on the head when he said about them having a nice way with the women, For Sure~~~ Nice!
Hi Don~~ I have been hearing such good things about James Taylors new CD, I like the song Fourth of July, I look forward to checking this new CD out more, thanks for mentioning it. As for Breads very first release ~~~ I have never heard that, or I think I haven't heard it.
2 songs come to mind from Gerry's pic ~~~~ Your seperate worlds collide whenever I am by your side Dusk from a distant sun will shower over everyone ~~~ Dusk from a distant sun will shower over everyone ~~~
and definitely a nice one from Gerry ~~~~ Sunrise sunset, can't sleep can't forget, thought I heard your footsteps coming home to me, love comes love grows sure has the wind blows, like a single red rose, you will have your day ~~~~~ NICE! :)

Here is an original MP3 from Jamie Magaldi. Click here to download/listen to Oregon Girl. It will remain on the Chat Folder for a week or so.

Gerry is still in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. Click here to see another view from his hotel window.

I have to post something just to keep my password from leaving the over the hill brain cells I employ. So, I noticed that Mr. Brad has worn glasses (sun and otherwise) in the last two sets of concert pictures I've seen. And I have to comment that they look good. Very cool.
And secondly, I noticed that Mr. Gerry has a VERY short haircut. Also very cool but definitely a huge contrast from the long lovely hair of the '74 New York photos that Steve L. featured in a recent post. Finally, I would have to guess that Linda--who was kind enough to supply the Illinois pics--must have an extra appreciation for Mr. Gerry since a majority of the pictures are of him. And since he is my favorite too, THANK YOU LINDA!!! Carry on.

Hats off to Linda for the great concert pictures! Thanks for helping me relive my fantastic experience.

Steve, thanks so much for getting my concert pictures up so quickly! It's fun being able to share them.

America's show will be starting in about 1/2 hour in Oshkosh. Wish I was there!
~~Linda

Ladd:

My favorite David Gates CD is his solo, “First”. A couple of the tunes are on the “Bread Anthology” CD. The whole “First” CD is awesome. A must have for any Bread fan.

Anyone heard the new James Taylor CD? It is awesome! I particularly love the instant classic, "My Traveling Star”.

Don

Hi Everyone ~~
Thanks Steve for letting us know Dan's response. It is nice to know that he has lots more projects under his belt. Maybe with more releases and time will change his mind enough to do a couple shows anyway! Seeing the pics you posted from the concert back in 1974, Wow, this was a backward blast, what a coincidence that Gerry has biboveralls on, with them just being in Oshkosh, Wis. yesterday! There sure is a wealth of memories posted on this great website ~~ I love it! :)
Hi Jamie, I really liked Saturn Nights too, Sooo neat Ladd that you picked that up at the end of the song, I was trying to make it out, and I did hear the rainbow song lyrics, but didn't make the rest out. How many more of their songs have you done? What a nice way to show respect for this Great Groups songs! Keep on playing and singing them Jamie! :) Oh wow I am listening to this song with my headphones, now I am picking up all added lyrics, that was a neat idea, I hope Dan takes a listen to this.
Hi Steve W ~~~ Nice that you are getting the Musikladen DVD, I don't have that one yet, I hope to get it soon, I did get the America in Concert DVD and it wouldn't play in my computer DVD. Sooo I was a little hesitant getting this one. Nice that you play the guitar too!
Hey Ladd the other lyrics are Don't you know that I love You, I was hoping you loved me tooo, this is from Submarine Ladies, I love that song!!!!!!! Nice touch for sure! :)
I really loved the story of America's Youngest Fan, I definetly can relate with this lady, my oldest son had colic pretty bad, and I played my homecoming album over and over late at night holding him and we would both fall asleep on the rocking chair. Nice memories!!!!!
Okay gotta go for now, enjoy the rest of the day! Nancy :)
~~~~ Didn't I love you, didn't I love you all the time, Didn't you need me, didn't you need me all the time, its going to be a long hard climb ~~~~ Don't you know that I love you, I was hoping you loved me too, loveeeeee youuuuuuuuuuuuu, love youuuuuuuuuuuu ~~~~

I just ordered the Musikladen America DVD. So I'm really looking forward to seeing the threesome play together. I was fairly young at the time they were all together and didn't become a big fan until several years after Dan left. I just can't believe I haven't bought it sooner.

I think it would be a great project for the guys to put together a DVD Audio disc similar to what John McCuen and Jimmy Ibbotson (of Nitty Gritty Dirt Band) did recently. The sound quality of that disc (I think it's named Nitty Gritty Surround) is supposed to be something that needs to be experienced to be believed. Gerry/Dewey, how about it? I think America's music would lend itself well to a high quality format like that.

I have a couple of questions for those who might, like me, be into such things...
While at last Saturdays Sandy, Utah show I was really struck by the sound quality of Gerry and Dewey's acoustics. I never did get a close enough look at the guitars, but they both appeared to be playing Guild's. Does anyone know if this is the case? And if so, does anyone know what models they perform on?

Also I noticed, for the first time, that their fingering on the intro to Ventura highway appeared to be quite different then I've always played. Does anyone know the exact fingering that they use? Just curious.

Ladd, Jamie is an America Fan who has written some of his own songs and a few America covers. He offered to share some of his songs with the America fans and I took him up on his offer. See Message #23745. --SteveL

<<Here is another MP3 from Jamie Magaldi. Click here to download/listen to Saturn Nights. It will remain on the Chat Folder for a week or so.>>

Who/what is this? It's a great tribute to America. Love those lines at the end from "Lonely People," "Rainbow Song," and one other that wouldn't come to mind. A really strong rendition...

-LE

Currently GERRY & DEWEY are using Taylor guitars. Most of them are Grand auditorim size, slightly narrower waist than dreadnought size, I think Michael Woodz's is a jumbo size. GERRY & DEWEY tend to prefer mable tonewood, especially in an amplified environment such as on stage. As for VENTURA HIGHWAY opening fingerings, if you mean the cluster notes - you are on your own on that one. Even Janet Jackson was very impressed w/the opening notes on VENTURA HIGHWAY.

I just ordered the Musikladen America DVD. So I'm really looking forward to seeing the threesome play together. I was fairly young at the time they were all together and didn't become a big fan until several years after Dan left. I just can't believe I haven't bought it sooner.

I think it would be a great project for the guys to put together a DVD Audio disc similar to what John McCuen and Jimmy Ibbotson (of Nitty Gritty Dirt Band) did recently. The sound quality of that disc (I think it's named Nitty Gritty Surround) is supposed to be something that needs to be experienced to be believed. Gerry/Dewey, how about it? I think America's music would lend itself well to a high quality format like that.

I have a couple of questions for those who might, like me, be into such things...
While at last Saturdays Sandy, Utah show I was really struck by the sound quality of Gerry and Dewey's acoustics. I never did get a close enough look at the guitars, but they both appeared to be playing Guild's. Does anyone know if this is the case? And if so, does anyone know what models they perform on?

Also I noticed, for the first time, that their fingering on the intro to Ventura highway appeared to be quite different then I've always played. Does anyone know the exact fingering that they use? Just curious.

I asked Tom Peek about Dan's plans to do a Guitar Man tour and he received an answer from Tom which he passed along to me:

"Dan tells me that he does not have a plan to 'take it on the road' at this time.

"That is the short, but not so sweet... answer to the question, 'Is Dan going to put a band together and do a Guitar Man tour?'.

"Dan has considered touring several times in the recent past, but based on the immense cost both fiscally and physically, he does not wish to repeat an exercise that he has experienced first hand in the past.

"The good/great/wonderful news is that Dan has a fine portfolio of recent albums under his belt, and he has MORE to come!

"Ironically, if people would buy the new albums (not just Dan's) it would probably be the impetus to provoke a change of mind as far as touring goes."

Thanks for the information Tom. By the way, you can check out Dan's latest releases and information by going to his web site at www.danpeek.com. --SteveL

Here is another MP3 from Jamie Magaldi. Click here to download/listen to Saturn Nights. It will remain on the Chat Folder for a week or so.

Thanks Steve. That is a great story, a true life story.

I don't know how many of you read the guest book entries, but here's a great one that was posted yesterday. It is from Carol Wilkinson who lives in New York.

"My daughter Jessie is 8 months old and has been a fan of America since 4 months. Her favorite is America's Greatest Hits - History. Nap time and night time every single day I have to play this CD for her or she will not go to sleep... I play it over and over while she sleeps or she will wake up. We have tried introducing her to other artists but she won't have it. Could she be the youngest fan yet??? Thank you 'America'... we think you're great!!!"

Since I can't run anymore, I often cycle out into the countryside after work, as the traffic thins out and the moon hangs over the crops and cow pastures. Being a dinosaur, I don't have a portable CD player yet, so I play home-taped cassettes in my walkman. I have recently found myself listening during these rides, over and over, to a cassette with the Hat Trick LP on one side, and Neil Young's album "Tonight's the Night" on the other. To my ears, they flow wonderfully, one into the other and back again. Neil's LP is a little darker, of course, but the overall mood and ambience, and even the production values (for example, the piano sound), make these records bookends. One other thing these LPs have in common. In the scheme of things, they have tended to be treated by the mass audience as less-than-successful side excursions by artists who have made other, more "mainstream" recordings. To anyone who hasn't heard it, I highly recommend "Tonight's the Night." It may take a play or three to really begin to let it sink in (not unlike Hat Trick), but I think the time spent is worth it. Particular favorites: "World on a String," "Borrowed Tune," "Albuquerque" and "New Momma."

Yeah (to the trio question). I have that first LP. I must admit, though, that I thought the trio material was a little weak and under-developed in contrast to the more fully-realized (to my ears) stuff that came later.

I was looking through the photo index this morning and clicked on the photos from the 1974 New York concert that were sent to me quite a while ago by George. Click on the preceding link if you'd like to take a look. --SteveL

Me Again~~
Wow Gerry these 2 pics are sooo Unique! I agree with Cathy, the one from Oshkosh, Wis. is a very inviting setting. There must be a seafood resturant or bar or something by this dock, sooo neat these tables with umbrellas and chairs, definitely a relaxing feeling comes from this pic. I was just in complete AWE!!!! at the pic from Chicago Ill. for sure. Where were you when you were taking this pic~~ on the very top floor, I love how on one end of the pic the sky looks ooooh sooo high and then on the other side of the pic the sky seems to touch the city below. Sooo neat that you caught this plane in this pic, this was just too much. These digital cameras are amazing for sure! Thanks again for taking us to all of these places! :)

Hi Vic ~~ Thanks for sharing all of these pics with us, you sure got some good ones. Sooo have you come back down yet from being on an AMERICA music High? :)
Hi Linda ~~~ I ejoyed your review on the Bensenville show.
Hi Jimnak ~~ Yes Janet Jackson's Someone to Call My Lover is a nice song, and I love the zest that Ventura hwy's music adds to it.
Good Night All ~~~ Daisy Jane is playing in my headphones, I have fallen asleep a couple of times typing this so I hope it made sense! Ohhhhh one more thing ~~~ I really had fun in the Live Chat this evening, thanks to everyone that was there, especially to Erin Edwards ~~~ It was really nice talking with you! thanks for all the info, and keep up your good work helping Gerry & Dewey with their management. Lucky You ~~ what a nice job! Here I come big soft pillow~~~~ Nancy :)

Glad you had a grand time in Illinois w/AMERICA.
AMERICA has a long history of exciting shows in the Chicago area & Wisconsin. From McCormick Place to Ravina to the Auditorium theatre to Alpine Valley, they have had some great standing room only shows in the past summers in the midwest. And yes VENTURA HIGHWAY is quite a remarkable song, so remarkable that Janet Jackson used elements of the song for her recent single, Someone to Call My Lover, of course giving DEWEY BUNNELL proper credit.

Thanks for the great review, Linda. I did get your mail message that talked about the photos but there weren't any photos attached. Perhaps you forgot to attach them. If you want to try again, I'd love to post them and I'm sure everyone here would love to see them. --SteveL

Hi, Steve! Just catching up on the last few days' posts. What an awesome experience for you! Did the guys offer you a contract to go out on tour? Just kidding.
If any America fan deserves such a thrill from the band, it is you. Thank you for all you do to keep this web site the best one on the web! Sincerely, Brad

I don't post here very often, but I stop by here almost daily to read what's all going on. I was at the Bensenville, IL concert, and I was thrilled to finally hear the long set. Dewey and Gerry seemed to talk to the audience more than usual, and had us laughing several times. Because of some recent posts, I decided to force myself to take note of their guitar-playing, rather than only look at their faces. While I don't play the guitar, my son has been trying to play Ventura Highway on his guitar, and I have come to realize just how difficult the beginning of that song is. The guys made all of it look very easy, and I was quite impressed. The stage wasn't raised up, so they were standing right at our feet. I'm not sure how they liked that setup, but it felt like they were standing right in our backyard. Afterwards, I took the set list off the stage, hoping to get it autographed. Now I'm not grumbling that they didn't come out afterwards, but can I pout just a little? I live in WI and was hoping to see them tomorrow in Oshkosh, but my mom-duties have to come first so I'll have to miss it. I think it will be a good time to put the DVD on and make believe I'm there. I sent some pictures to Steve, and it's up to him if he'd like to use any.

Thank you America for a VERY fun night!! ~~ Linda

Joan, "Wheels" is still on the current playlist but "Pages" is not. I'd say there's a good chance you'll get to hear "Wheels" and it's fantastic live! Best of luck getting their autographs, but if it doesn't work out, don't worry -- you'll definitely be treated to a great concert.

What a beautiful picture from Oshkosh, WI! I know just where they are staying from the picture and sure would like to travel the ten miles to get there right now from Menasha, WI with the chance of running into Dewey and Gerry for an autograph, but have family commitments right now. I will have to wait until tomorrow night at the concert--hoping they will have a chance to meet and greet their fans! This will be my third concert and I haven't had any luck so far. I did receive a guitar pick from Dewey in Milwaukee last year and I treasure it! Now I need an autograph to go with it! Dewey and Gerry, if you read any of these comments, please play "Wheels" and "Pages" tomorrow night. Thank you! Have a great time in Wisconsin, where you have many, many fans!!!

The album. "across the water" is great. Robb Royer was still with the band. Larry Knechtel replaced him with the baby i'ma want you album.. Did you also realize when bread first burst on the scene, they were a trio. David Gates, James Griffin and Robb Royer. Mike Botts was the drummer, didn't join the band untill later.

Gerry was in Chicago, Illinois on Sunday. He tried to send me his view from the hotel window photo but my mailbox was full (with Jamie's MP3's) so I didn't get it. He resent it to me today. Click here to see the view from his hotel window.

"OK. I gotta ask. To what Bread tunes did you once ice skate?"
..."Make it With You." (great tune for those spins!)

David Gates is an amazingly talented songwriter and vocalist.

His lyrics and melodies flow like
beautiful white clouds in a clear blue sky.

OK. I gotta ask. To what Bread tunes did you once ice skate?

Ah, I used to ice skate to Bread. What memories!

Now that looks more like a view from the penthouse suite! Makes me want to jump on in.

JimNak recently posted the following question regarding the Holiday Harmony CD on Andrew Gold's Message Pad:

"Ok, Andrew tell us how things went on your producing of the upcoming Holiday release by your friends in AMERICA? Was it an enjoyable experience w/the group that has super endurance & super talent."

And here is Andrew's response:

"Well, I had a lot of fun... Those guys are sweethearts. And the album's pretty darn good. I hope their super endurance is contagious. Sounds like a great super-power to have, especially wherein the ladies are concerned. lol"

Hi Everyon,
Nice topic Ladd ~~ Wow! some really heart touching songs by Bread. I have the Baby I'm a Want You LP and Wow! I am getting the chills just thinking about the song Baby I'm a Want You, this song can melt me for sure! Nice! Bread was so much a part of the music scene in my high school days, I can remember riding around listening to their songs and at parties tooo..... Wow the good old days! Nice trip down memory lane for sure! Thanks Ladd :) You have some good taste in music!
Hey Red ~~ I sure would love to hear you sing Baby I'm a Want You, could you get your hands on some recording things and make an mp3 for Steve to put on the chat folder for us to download and hear??? :) Sing It Red! :)
Hi Sir Steve ~~ I really like Muskrat Love tooo!
Yes ~~ Live chat tonight, it should be interesting to see who gets the computer first Mom or 16yr old son!
Have a great day all, I am thinking about my youngest son, and how LONG this day will probably seem to him, he is in the 1st gr. and he had such big sad eyes getting on the bus this morning!
Hey I have the house all to myself, Maybe we can have live chat in the morning sometime?????? See ya, Nancy :)
~~~Is there someone you know, you're loving them soooo, but taking them all for granted. Then you lose them one day, someone takes them away, and they don't hear the words you long to say. I would give anything I own, I'd give up my life, my heart, my home, I would give everything I own just to have you back again, just to touch you once again ~~~~~~~ Woooooo! Nice song! :) :) :)

Folks, thanks for the tips, but Greatest Hits (Anthology) albums are for poseurs! I appreciate the idea of getting a feel, but I've got it and I want the real stuff! I'm looking for individual album tips. Right now, it seems like GUITAR MAN is my next best bet. Any of you have other favorites from their studio album catalogue?

-LE

Folks, thanks for the tips, but Greatest Hits (Anthology) albums are for poseurs! I appreciate the idea of getting a feel, but I've got it and I want the real stuff! I'm looking for individual album tips. Right now, it seems like GUITAR MAN is my next best bet. Any of you have other favorites from their studio album catalogue?

-LE

Gerry is in Oshkosh, Wisconsin today. Click here to see the view from his hotel window.

David should be free to fill in on Hat Trick I would think. Maybe a guest artist each time Hat Trick was performed, hmmmmmm.........

If a picture paints a thousand words,
Then why can't I paint you?
The words will never show the you I've come to know.
If a face could launch a thousand ships,
Then where am I to go?
There's no one home but you,
You're all that's left me too.
And when my love for life is running dry,
You come and pour yourself on me.

A great, under-appreciated band. One of my personal favorites is the "Guitar Man" LP, particularly side one. The one you named, "Baby I'm a Want You," is another favorite, if it's the one I'm thinking of (with "Mother Freedom" on it.) I was surprised to see, in the Rolling Stone Record Guide, that the "scorched earth" critics at RS gave Bread in general, and Gates in particular, kudos for writing "mellifluous jewels" or somesuch. Anyway, really nice stuff. Belongs in a time capsule as an influence on many 70s acts, none of whom were really ever to capture the same magic.

Ladd, I have EVERY album by Bread and I think they are all great. Originally I had all of their albums on cassette but they were starting to die so I replaced them all with CD's last year. If you want to get a sampling their work including their best hits, the Anthology CD is a good way to go (it also includes a couple of singles by David Gates).

By the way, the song "Make It With You" uses the same basic chords as "Muskrat Love". I know I'm one of the few who really like "Muskrat Love" but I also really like "Make It With You".

Thanks, Pat...but as I recall, I'M the one that owes YOU a drink at the next "America" show...so my treat!!!

Lisa (Daisyjane64)...I've been anxiously awaiting the pictures that you took at Mohegun Sun to arrive!? No real rush, as long as I have a copy by Thanksgiving; it will give me ample time to stuff my Christmas cards with me and "my boys"! Thanks!

Anything by BREAD is good! David Gates' voice was one of the best from that era(similar to mine when in the shower). MAKE IT WITH YOU should get everybody's motor revvvvvvvvving.

Have a happy hump day everyone.

Today is LIVE chat!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey have you ever tried
Really reaching out for the other side?
I may be climbing on rainbows
But baby, here goes...
Dreams are for those who sleep
Life is for us to keep
And if you're wondering what this song is leading to,
I'd like to make it with you

Bread: Anthology is a great album. It has most of the band's well-known music on it. I also recommend Gates solo album entitled Goodbye Girl (not the soundtrack for the movie).

Any Bread fans on this board? I just picked up my first Bread album, BABY I'M A WANT YOU. I really dig it. Interesting band, because there was a HUGE difference between what Gates was writing and what Kimmel was writing. Sentimental 70s vs. Bar Rock. It did give the band an edge it wouldn't have otherwise had, though.

If you haven't heard the song "Diary" by Gates, BTW, you are missing one of the most absolutely beautiful lyrics of all time. Really, check this one out. It's incredible.

Can anyone recommend any other Bread albums I might want to purchase. What's hot? What has that classic Gates' love?

-LE

That's a good question, Jerey. I kind of doubt it but you never know. I'll touch base with Tom Peek and see if he can find out. --SteveL

Just bought tickets for yet another America show and was wondering if anyone knew if Dan was going to put a band together and do a "Guitar Man" tour. Sure would be nice to see Dan in action once again.

Hi Vic~~
Thanks for your nice review! As for that guy next to you that you said probably thought you were an idiot,Nope ~~ you are just a True Fan of this great Group, and not a thing in the world wrong with that. It sounds to me as if you were pretty excited about getting to hear all of these great songs live again. I am sooo happy for you! I look forward to seeing the pics you got, Thanks Vic! :)
Hi Nina ~~ Nice to hear from you, my best to you as you start your new school year!
Hmmmmm~~~ Just a thought but maybe Sir Steve could join Gerry & Dewey soon and play Hat Trick with them! That would be nice!
Hey Jamie ~~~ I also liked your mp3 of Another Misery!
Hey Gen ~~~ Have you heard any more on your Jeff Larson CD ? Has school started back for you also? Take care! :)
Okay gotta go my daughter starts back to her dance classes this evening, boy it just feels like I was posting about her dance recital not that long ago..... The summer sure did fly by!!!!! Nancy :)

~~~~~~ I hope you never loose your sense of wonder, you get your fill to eat but always keep that hunger, and may you never take one single breathe for granted, God forbid love ever leave you empty handed, I hope you still feel small when you stand beside the ocean, whenever one door closes I hope one more opens, promise me you'll give faith a fighting chance, and when you get the choice, I hope you don't sit it out I Hope Youuuu Danceeeee, I hopeeee you danceeee ~~~~~~~ :)

Welcome Back Nina.

I'm sorry to hear that you're hot, tired, and that your feet hurt.

I'll give you a nice foot massage when I see you at the next America concert!

I meant to write SteveL., not SteveO.

(my brain doesn't function too well sometimes. sorry.)

Hi all! Back at school and near a computer! Will NEVER get caught up on all I've missed the past month or so...but DID want to send out "congrats" to Steve L. on his "stage debut" with America! How wonderful; and what a thrill it must have been! Aren't our guys the greatest?

My best to all the teachers out there returning to the classrooms...Bones, Lisa, etc.
My school system started today...and I'm hot, tired, and my feet hurt!
I'll sleep well tonight!

SteveO~ In consideration of the fact that you are now the *newest* member of AMERICA, maybe it's time to add a picture of you along with the picture of Dan, Dewey, and Gerry found at the top of this web page! I'm looking forward to seeing you on their next tour!

Sorry, I meant congrats Sir Steve and family.

Congrats Steve, what an honor for you and your family. The concert, last night, in Monroe, Washington, was wonderful. My wife and I arrived, just as the band was walking on stage. My first time seeing them since 1977, her first time ever. The crowd was a bit sedate, at first, not unappriciative, just low keyed, but that didn't keep the guys from playing their hearts out. They drew the crowd out and by the time they had played "Hangover", the crowd was into it. "Sandman" took them to the next level, and "Sister Goldenhair" pushed them over the top. "A Horse with No Name" brought the house down, of course. They also had a guest sax player on AHWNN. I know the guy next to me must have thought I was an idiot. I was on my feet, applauding after every song. I took over 40 Pictures. I'll send them to Steve later. He can pick which ever ones he wants to post. Looking forward to Phoenix, in November.

Me Again!
Hi Jamie ~~ I am here listening to your version of Riverside, and I like it! Sounding Good! Keep on playing these great songs and thanks for sharing this with us.
Hey Steve L ~~ I also have the ZZTop mpeg clip on my Real player playlist and this is just too much, what a class act for sure! Have you come back down to ground yet? :)
Hey there Jimmmmm(bob) ~~~ I hope you have been playing some good songs there in NZ on your guitar..... I hope sooooo! :)
I kinda envy all of You that can play the guitar ~~ Oh well you all keep playing these great songs and I will keep on singing them!
Hey Red ~~~ 23 more days till you get to see the AMERICA\Kansas show there in Denver!!!!!!!
See ya later~~~~~ I want you to come back & carry me home away from these lon lonely nights ~~ I'm reaching foy you are you feeling it too ~~ does the feeling seem oooooh sooo right ~~ and what would you do if I call on you now and said that I can't hold onnnnnnn ~~~ nice song!!!!!! :)

Ha ha!!! No way--without being plugged in, I bet he was strumming double hard!

<<I don't know if you noticed this, Ladd, but I did. While looking at the photos of Steve playing Horse With No Name, I noticed that he seems to be just going through the motions, not playing with nearly the zest he had on Music Laden. Where's the passion, Steve?>>

Guess Gerry didn't get the penthouse suite this time.

Good Morning Everyone!
Nice to see the Pic! Looks like wall to wall cottonball clouds! Just a hint of that baby blue-eyes sky! Thanks Gerry! :) Guess you will be heading back to East coast soon.

Hey Red by the looks of this Pic it is pretty dry there in Wash too, looks like these trees and grass could sure use some Rain!
Well this is the last summer vacation day for my younger kids, it is back to school tomorrow. I am already getting bummed out, I'm gonna miss heading to the pool, we sure had lots of fun there this summer!
Have a good day! Nancy :)
~~~~I wish I could carry your smile in my heart for times when my life seems soooo low, it would make me believe what tomorrow would bring when today doesn't really knowwww ~~doesn't really knowwww! ~~~~

Great pictures Steve! Thanks for sharing!!

Erin :o)

Steve, I'm jealous! I mean how many people will ever get THAT chance huh? And I looked at the "ZZTop" clip- very cool!

Hi Everyone,
Thanks Dan ~~~ Nice to see your review! I agree about the song Wheels are Turnin is such a great song done live, I can remember being sooo surprised when they played it last Feb. at the show I saw, it instantly brought chills to me, I loved it! Hmmmmmmm You up on stage singing Sandman and trading guitar licks with Dewey~~~~maybe this was a fantasy for now, but the next time this could happen for sure!
Hey Steve ~~~ I really liked this ZZTop Mpeg, You looked very comfortable up there on stage, sooo nice being in the company of Gerry, Dewey, Brad & Woodzy! Thanks for sharing this with us. I join you in saluting Gerry Dewey & the band! This sure has been one great tour sooo far!
Hi Steve W ~~~ Welcome & Nice to see your post! I see you have good taste too, Wheels sure is a great song! Looking forward to seeing your bio.
Hi Vic ~~ I would imagine you are floating on air about now, looking forward to hearing your review on the Evergreen fair show.
Hi Pat B~~~ sorry about that, I took another listen to Call of the Wild, and I'll be Gerry does say I need you in this, Hmmmmm ~~ Has me wondering too, just who is he singing this about????
Good Night All ~~~ Nancy :)
~~~~ Since you've been gone, I feel my life slipping away~~~~ I look to the sky and everything is grey..... Since you've been gone, I have been in a trance,this heart needs a second chance ~~~~~ Don't say it's over I just can't say good byeeeee. ~~~~~ Please forgive me and forget it, I was wrong and I admit it, why can't we talk it over, why can't we forget about, forget about the past, a heart needs a second chance and love makes a sound Babe , A heart needs a second chance, you've been gone and I've been in a trance, don't say it's over,I just can't say good byeeeeee~~~~~ :)

Gerry is in Monroe, Washington today. Click here to see the view from his hotel window.

Thanks for the great review, Dan. It's amazing to me that the guys can do so well after performing late the night before, getting a few hours sleep, and then leaving at 4 am to fly to a city that's in a different timezone. I know it's not easy for them but somehow they have mastered it. I salute them for a great job and for their dedication to their fans. Keep up the great work guys!

and again a most excellent show by our favorite band. let me start by saying I went with my wife, 2 kids (17 and 15), 3 of their friends and a very good friend of mine. Same set as the Utah set except no Another Try but the addition of "California" to the encore. Dewey's voice really sounded good last night according to my wife and I had to agree. We thought Gerry sounded a bit off at first but he got stronger with each tune after YCDM. Yes I finally got to hear Windwave for the first time. All I can say is I've got a "hankerin" to hear it again. Fantastic!!! First time to here Baby It's Up To You also. WOW.. I have to agree with a previous post about Wheels Are Turnin'. This is an incredibly great tune to hear live. It sounds so fresh and clean, It should have been a song for the masses. I also noticed something else. When they were done with the Beatles tune, I Need You, which they obviously enjoy playing, my friend and my oldest daughter both commented that they each thought it was a great version of the song. It made me think about the discussion on this board about playing covers or originals. Most people thought they should stay with just their tunes, including myself. Well now I've changed my mind. These guys are doing songs they love, and it really shows, and they also must realize that a lot of people love to listen to them and that's why they have added them to the playlist. Sorry no pictures this time out, maybe next time. The Grassroots rocked and brought out a lot of great gems. The Ides of March opened up and really surprised me. Lots of energy and the lead singer also was a founding member of the band Survivor which I did not know. So we were treated to some Survivor tunes and another song he cowrote, 38 Specials' Hold On Loosely. All in all a real bargain for a full day of great music, 5 bucks for 16 and older 15 and under zip. I think Jimnak says it best, go see these guys live, and just listen. "Please Quit Your Low Down Ways" really rocks huh? oh I almost forgot, I got invited up on stage to sing with Dewey on Sandman and to trade guitar licks with him... wait, that was my fantasy on the 2 and a half hour drive home last night.DanC.

Sir Steve Lowry from here on ...

Ah, Steve, many of us live vicariously through you! Way to go!

Way to go Steve! I think we're so lucky that America is so good to us fans. I'm so happy for you. Thanks, Steve, for all you do for us as well.

I've been reading the board for a little while now, but haven't yet posted. I'll be adding my bio shortly, but just wanted to drop a note on the board in the meantime.
I was able to go to the show in Sandy on Saturday and see Steve's big performance! Very impressive Steve! I'm jealous too, as I've played guitar for quite a while myself and would die to be able to play with the guys. Well, maybe someday...or not!
Anyway, I wanted to thank you again Steve for coming through with the autographs for me during the intermission. As I later found out, you must have been quite nervous with the anticipation for your big encore. But you were very gracious and willing to help out another fan anyway. I really appreciate it, and wanted everyone here to know what a great guy you are. All I need now is a picture of me with Gerry and Dewey and my life's goals will have been met! Well, maybe next time.
By the way, for what it's worth, I thought the highlight song of the night was 'Wheels are turning'. I don't know whether they've been playing this one regularly or not, but it sounded incredible. And with the Wasatch mountains rising up behind the stage, couldn't have been more apropos.

Rock on Stevo ! That is really great you have a visual record of the ultimate tribute that AMERICA has honored you with. I can hear the stories to your grand kids ... someday ...

Terry, since you brought up the ZZ Top routine you might want to see something else that I have to share. My brother-in-law was the one who took the photos that I have posted using my digital camera. Another America fan was in the audience with a digital camera and he captured a 15 second MPEG clip of me doing the ZZ Top move with the guys. It picks up just as our guitars are in the upward position and ready to come down. As I said before, it was a lot of fun! Gerry, Dewey, and Michael talked to me during the song and made me feel very at ease. As we all know and have said many, many times, they're the ultimate professionals but also the ultimate gentlemen... perhaps a rarity in the music business. --SteveL

Click here to download the ZZ Top move MPEG. It's VERY LARGE so you'll either need to be very patient or have a fast connection.

Steve also appears to be casually chatting with other members of the band during Horse... a song he has played so many times that the changes just come automatically. Or was that the ZZ Top routine?

Pat, I have been playing the guitar since I was 11 but I still consider myself an amateur (basically rhythm, not much lead). I had my guitar tuned normally (thanks to Brad) and all I did was strum the basic 4 chords that make up HWNN. When Brad started playing my guitar in the dressing room it was SLIGHTLY out of tune and he promptly fixed it. I know that Brad is a great bass player and does a wonderful job singing backup harmonies but I was very impressed with how good he was on the acoustic guitar, too. --SteveL

WOW!!
I got to play bass w/America quite a few times.................then I wake up.....................
AWESOME STEVE!!!!!!!!!!!! (I would of had Pete plug you into that cool Vox AC-30 right next to you!!) Way to GO!

Thanks Mark and Nancy for your thoughts.

However, Nancy; I was referring to the song "Call Of The Wild" and not the song "I Need You".

Good Job SteveO!

As a guitarist myself, I can only imagine the incredible high you must have experienced being on stage with AMERICA!

How long have you been playing? And was your guitar tuned normally or did you tune it the same way Dewey tunes his guitar?

Kevin, of course I had more zest on the MusikLaden video. Back then I weighed 35 pounds less. That's what those pizzas will do to a person over the years.

LOL! You're killing me!!! Keep the humor coming!

America fan, Jamie Magaldi, has offered to share several of his songs this week including some America covers. These songs will be available as MP3's for Chat Folder readers to download for a week or so. Simply click on the links below to download them. If you'd like to reach Jamie to tell him what you think about the songs you can contact him at JMagaldi@allenmajor.com or you can make your comments here.

Riverside
Another Misery

I don't know if you noticed this, Ladd, but I did. While looking at the photos of Steve playing Horse With No Name, I noticed that he seems to be just going through the motions, not playing with nearly the zest he had on Music Laden. Where's the passion, Steve?

KevinS.

Great stuff, Steve. That acoustic guitar of yours now has enough magic power to bring back the 70s!

Way to go, Steve.

One word Steve - WOW!!!
Thanks for sharing, what a great way for me to start a Monday morning. The whole thing just sounds magical.
Kim

Steve congrats on living the dream. The photos were great.

Me Again~~
Welcome American Girl!
Alright!! Soooo nice to hear from You! I was thinking about you earlier this evening wondering if you went to the show and how it was going, it was a beautiful evening here in Pa. The almost full moon would show itself every once in awhile. Sounds like it was a night to remember for sure.... Neat way to end it with choreagraphed fireworks display! Keep on enjoying AMERICA's music! :)
Hey there DanC~~~ Hope to hear from you too about tonights show! They played the long playlist, soooo that means you finally got to hear Windwave Live ~~~ How did you like it? Did you happen to get any pics of you and Dewey & Gerry? Did you happen to take in the Grass Roots show too?Itsure has been a great summer for you taking in all of these great concerts. Sooo is there any more concerts coming up that you will be going to. I'll bet you will be wearing a big smile all day long on your mail route tomorrow my friend Mr. Mailman :) I have been checking out Manfred Manns Nightingales & Bombers album, Hmmmm ~~ some interesting songs!
Hey Vic ~~~ Enjoy the show tomorrow night at the Evergreen Fair~~~ Wow! the last time you saw them was back in the 77, you were one of the lucky ones that got to see the trio in concert. Be sure and let us know all about the show when you are back home! Enjoy! :)
Good Night All! Nancy :)
~~~~ Cause I've got a woman who waits for me there, and I need a breathe of that sweet country air~~~ and it looks like you're gonna have to see me again, and it looks like you're gonna have to see me again, and it looks like you're gonna have to seeee me again ~~~ Illinois, Ohhhh Illinois, Illinois, Ooooh Illinois, Illinois, Ohhhh Illinois, Illinois I'mmmm your boy!!!!! ~~~~~~

Hi everyone

This is my first post. Wanted to say how much I enjoyed the Bensenville, IL show. Excellent! The long set was played. We got an extra treat in the encore - they started it with "Everyone I Meet Is From California" which I hadn't heard live yet, and finished with "Horse With No Name". We got an extra treat afterward - Bensenville treated us to a nicely choreographed fireworks display. A very nice evening for us! Thanks to all.

Fantastic Steve !!! after all your hard work on this website you deserve this

*Stands on feet and applauds loudly as Gerry introduces Steve, and then joins the crowd in thunderous applause as Steve takes his bow with the "others" LOL who joined him on stage for some special magic..

Yes, I know a little late, but, would have made alot of noise if I and others from here had been in attendence lol..
:-) Wow Steve..How absolutely WONDERFUL for you that you got that opportunity! The pic's you posted say it all..You are absolutely beaming! Take another bow..Thanks for all the time and effort you put in for everyone who visits this place.
Take Care,
Robin

shoulda checked the page first!

There ARE pictures, aren't there Steve?

Thanks Terry. I was NOT plugged into an amp. Pete asked if I needed to be plugged in and I told him ABSOLUTELY NOT! I could hear what I was playing and it sounded pretty good to me (LOL) but I didn't want anyone else to hear. Maybe Woodsy heard because he was standing pretty close, but I don't think he'd let you know if I messed up (right Woodsy?).

just back from putting out chairs for tonight's show! anyone in chicago area this is a great opportunity to see the group for almost free! Also Ides of March and Grass Roots! also, a half hour fireworks show is planned after the concert. if it's like the july 4th one it should be spectacular. don't kno who's paying for all this but thanks!!! also, America is slated for 90 minutes so we should be seeing the Lonnnnngggg show!!

Looking good, Steve! The Trio lives. I admit you might have had a better weekend than most this time. Better than a back yard barbeque. That smile shouldn't wear off for a long time. Nice photos! Were you plugged into an amp? Did the rest of the guys sign the the guitar, too? Very happy for you (and somewhat envious). Awesome.

Hi Everyone~~

Wow! Thanks sooo much Steve, I am sooooo happy for you, getting to go up and play HWNN with Gerry, Dewey & the Band, what a nice dream come true. I really enjoyed all the pics and your review, sooo nice that you are still on a HIGH from all of this, what a treasured memory this will remain I am sure. WOW! :) soooo neat!
Regarding the Cayman CD~~~ Thanks for the info, we just have to be patient, I am sure the wait will be worth while.......
Thanks again, Have a great day! Bye for now, Nancy :)

That's really fantastic Steve ! A dream come true. On stage with AMERICA ! Congratulations.

While I was backstage, both Erin and Gerry gave me some information about the live Cayman CD. Gerry said I could quote him on the release date. He said, "We don't have one yet." The Christmas CD will be coming out on Rhino around Thanksgiving and that has some critical deadlines that need to be met. In order to meet those deadlines they've had to wait on some of the Cayman CD work so they're not sure when that work will be done. Currently they're working on the artwork and some mastering. As soon as that's finished and they place the order for the CD's, they'll be able to give us a release date. You can rest assured that they're working on it as much as they can, but it's going to take time. We all know that they do things first rate and they want to make sure that it's done right.

--SteveL

The Sandy, Utah area was extremely beautiful yesterday with clear blue skies, pleasant temperatures, and a great view of the Wasatch mountain range that runs through the center of the state. It couldn't be any better for an outdoor America concert. I showed up at the Sandy Amphitheater around 7 pm and the band arrived shortly after that. Erin Edwards (of Morey Management) was also with them and it was a pleasure to finally meet her in person.

Before the concert started I brought my guitar into the dressing room so I could have Gerry and Dewey sign it (after I got it back from Brad who plays acoustic very nicely by the way). They were very gracious to sign it and when I started strumming a few chords on it they suggested that I should join them for the encore. "Why not," I thought. So I put my guitar on the side of the stage so I could use it at the end of the concert.

Other than being a little nervous about being on stage with America, I enjoyed the concert very much. The guys were tight and the sound was superb (way to go Pete and Bill). They played the long set except for "California Revisited". Before the intermission they played:

Riverside
Ventura Highway
You Can Do Magic
Don't Cross The River
Daisy Jane
Wind Wave
Another Try
Three Roses
I Need You (Gerry Beckley version)
I Need You (George Harrison version - first time I've heard this live)
Baby It's Up To You (first time I've heard this live - I loved it)
Wheels Are Turning
Tin Man

After the intermission they played:

The Border
Woman Tonight
Only In Your Heart
California Dreamin'
Lonely People
Hangover
Never Be Lonely
Sandman
Sister Golden Hair
A Horse With No Name

While they were playing "Sister Golden Hair" I slipped backstage and Erin showed me where to wait so I could join the guys for "Horse". Words can't describe how I felt but it's something that I will never forget. It was so fun being out there with they guys and they made me feel very comfortable. As you can imagine, I have been high from that experience and I'm not sure when I'll come down.

Thanks Gerry, Dewey, Brad, Willie, Michael, Pete, Bill, and Erin for a great night and for a fantastic concert. I know that everyone there thoroughly enjoyed it but you made it very special for me and my family.

--SteveL

P.S. I have posted LOTS of photos from the concert.

Group 1
Group 2
Group 3

Hi Everyone!
Hi SteveL ~~Enjoy the LONG concert, looking forward to hearing all about the show, Thanks for posting the VFTHW Pics!
Thanks Gerry! This Bonus pic sure does speak volumes, it captures the very essence of the night setting there in Las Vegas, this Sunset Station is one tall treasure. The pic from the hotel window in Las Vegas kinda resembles the pic on the Homecoming album cover, the way the sunset blends in with the city and mountain background scenery, it kinda looks like there are mountains in the sky the way the sun is breaking through the layered clouds... Nice :)
Now for the view from the hotel window pic from Utah ~~~ Wow! What a breathtaking view to say the least, Yes Steve I took notice! :) looks as though you could step off of this roof onto the mountainside and then just reach up and touch that great big cottonball cloud in the blue-eyed sky ~~~ I Love it! ~~~~ Nice to have the pics coming our way again! :) Keep em coming!!!!!
Hey there Vic~~~~ I am soooo happy you will be able to take in a show while you are on vacation ~~ Enjoy! Wish I could say I was able to take this show in..... this is just great sooo many of the chat folder fans are getting to seee AMERICA shows all over the place. The song Shiny Happy People by REM is playing in my headphones, what an appropriate song to describe all of us fans, wouldn't you say! Neat :)
Hey DanC~~~ Hope you & your Wife have a great time at the Bensenville show, hope to hear all about it my busy friend. You better be singing all night long ~~ Can You Hear Me Dan????? :)
Hi American Girl~~~ Will you be taking in this show toooooooo? Have fun!

Hi Joan ~~~ Hope you & your friends have a great time, let us know all about it okay?
Hey Red I haven't forgot about you & your daughter seeing them on Sept. 20th with Kansas ~~~ this will be here before you know it. Well my son is all moved in at college and his classes start on Monday. Did you survive the first week back, bet they kept you busy, busy, busy...... Did you catch the race tonight? I caught the end of it, Rusty almost pulled the win off, that #24 car had to use the bump and go on by trick to win the race, did you see them interview Rusty? What a guy he is :) Tony had some bad luck, he could have finished in the top ten! OOooh then there was Ward who was ooooh sooo mad when Junior bumped him from behind and put an end to his good running...... Like Rusty said "Hey that's racing"
Hmmmmmm terryt ~~~~~~ Chewin' on a piece of flossssss !
Regarding the song Call of the Wild ~~~ I agree PatB & Mark ~~ good song, I always thought that this song talked about our sub consciences, we all have that curiousity at times to do things that we shouldn't and this song kinda spells this out in a way, my favorite verse is ~~~~Casting my mind back some things don't seem right~~ An image of angels appears in the night ~~ as I awoke~~~ I could swear that they smiled, hearin' the call of the wild~~~~ Thanks Gerry!
PatB~~~~ Hmmmmmm the You in the I need you song, I would hope that that refers to all of us dedicated AMERICA fans~~~ would be nice for sure!
Good Night all!!!! Nancy :)
~~~~~~ How have you been , say it's me again, it's been a long long time ~~~ there's so much to say where do I begin, I'll sit down and sing you a line, I'm hoping everything is fine, you've got me thinking of you Alwaysssssss every day, every night ~~~~~~~ Firefall playing here, nice song :)

My wife and I have had a trip planned, to the Seattle area, for about the last 5 months. Checked the concert schedule, about a week ago, and found that AMERICA will be appearing at the Evergreen State Fair, in Monroe, Washington, on Monday, August 26th, about 5 minutes from where we will be staying. Anyone else able to make it to this one?

Is anyone going to the August 29th concert in Oshkosh, WI? I am going along with a couple of old friends who are fans like me. We are so excited to see the band again!

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I always thought the song was about a guy who was trying to settle down, but was tempted from time to time to return to his wild and crazy ways.

And I agree. I think it is one of the best songs from Hourglass. It is my favorite Gerry song from that CD.

Gerry is in Sandy today. Click here to see the view from his hotel window. Notice the beautiful Utah mountains above the rooftop.

P.S. I'll be seeing Gerry, Dewey, and the rest of the band in a few hours at the Sandy concert which is only 30 miles from my home! It should be a great, LONG concert!

Gerry was in Las Vegas yesterday. Click here to see the view from his hotel window.

Click here to see a bonus view NOT from his hotel window.

"... and when they put it on the cd player and "Ventura Highway" came on, everyone in the office just sighed happily..."

Chewin' on a piece of _____________ (fill in blank)

I love the song: "Call Of The Wild" on Hourglass.
It's got a great tempo and melody, and I like the groove.

However, for the life of me, I have absolutely no clue what this song is about! *LOL*
Does anyone have any opinion regarding the meaning of this song?
I would like to know who is the "you" when Gerry sings "I need you...". Does anyone know? ~Pat

Hi Everyone!
Hi Cathy~~~ WOW! what a neat idea to take your Homecoming album with you to the dentist! This is definitely my favorite album, alot of nice songs with such nice messages in them. Thanks for sharing this with us. Have a great day!
On another note ~~~ John Mayer's video for the song ~~ No Such Thing is #1 on the VH1 countdown for the week. He sure is young, and good looking. He said that he grew up on Def Leppard's, Motley Crew and othere hard rock music, but upon hearing one of Stevie Ray Vaughn's songs he then knew what kind of guitar music he wanted to play ~~~ Neat! I really like his voice! I like the song 83 from the Serendipity soundtrack and another one called A Love Song For No One.... Hey he is one of those Fresh new artists that was lucky enough to break through and be heard. I think he would be a good one as a guest, to come and sing Hat Trick with Gerry & Dewey.
Bye for now, Nancy :) This song just has my attention lately!
~~~~I miss my friend the one my heart and soul confided in ~~ the one I feel the safest with, the one who knew just what to say to make me laugh again ~~~ Let the light back in ~~~~ I Miss My Friend! ~~~ :)

So I was at the dentist yesterday which normally is far from pleasant but they let me bring my own music. I brought "Homecoming" and when they put it on the cd player and "Ventura Highway" came on, everyone in the office just sighed happily and said "Awwww" Needless to say, this visit to the dentist was the most enjoyable to date!

Me Again~~
Welcome Maurizio! Nice to hear from you, I just checked out your bio, it sure is a good one. I really like the story of how you found AMERICA's music. I really like the song Survival too, and what a great album (Alibi) you started your journey down the AMERICA music highway with. There are a lot of good songs on this.... I too agree with you about the smaller venue shows that Gerry & Dewey do rather than the bigger venues, I think their shows are more personable and enjoyable because of them being in the smaller settings. I have been a fan of theirs from the beginning in 1972, and I got to see them for the first time in 1997 at a Amusement Park, I am smiling remembering this~~~ Wow! they sounded sooo good and looked soooo good too. I was lucky enough to see them again just this past Feb. at a ski resort near where I live, and it was like a high school reunion, we all had a great time and everyone was singing and clapping along to these great songs...... Guess what~~~ they will be having a show at my son's college next April 11, 2003 and I definetly plan on being there! For Sure! ~~~ Thanks Gerry & Dewey & Band for being on the road and doing all of these shows for us your fans..... Nice!
Seee ya Nancy :)
~~~~~~ Today there won't be no competition, I think today might be a one in a million for meeee, I've seen the sun drop below my roof line, I really think it might be a one in a million deliiiight, all of my dreams go with you tonight.~~~ We'll walk down the roads of our impatience, and if one of us has to fall, he won't be too proud to call, some doors I've closed just to reopen and then sometimes I find everything wrong turns to right, all of my dreams go with you tonight~~~~ Oooooooh Gerry ~~ Nice :)

Hi Everyone!
<<<Yet the report disputes the RIAA's assertion that the now-bankrupt Napster and its successors are responsible for the downturn. More than two-thirds of CDs bought in the United States sell to consumers who rarely or never download music files from the Web, Forrester concludes. Another market research company, Ipsos-Reid, reported in June that 81 percent of music downloaders buy as many or more CDs than they did before they started getting tunes from the Internet.>>>>
Well Said~~ The Record Companies put the blame on Napster for their declining CD sales, when in fact they were mad because they didn't come up with this idea of downloading music on the Web before this 19 yr old did! Just think of what it would have been like if they had discovered this first, they would have found a way to fill their pockets off of the expense of we the consumer again..... Hats off to the 19 yr old that started Napster, as for it taking away CD sales from the Record companies, I think just the opposite would be true. I myself was a Napster Nut, I was hooked instantly, one thing I found was that upon finding music that I may not have even of considered buying and then hearing them I liked them and went out and bought the CD. I think this would even help boost concert attendance, because if you hear the music and like it, then you would in turn go to one of the artist shows.... So all in all, I think it helped the Music artists out in the long run. After all who is it that holds the key to success for these record companies ~~ We the consumer! For once we had something that benefited us! If they would make the cost of CD's alittle bit more reasonable I think they would start to see more increase in sales.....
Hi Moser~~~ You too pointed out 2 good quotes from this article, I do think that we the 40 year old group are more faithful fans than the younger kids today. Because of groups like AMERICA, Eagles, CSN&Y,Chicago, Fleetwood Mac & soooo onnnnn, it was easy to stay faithful at buying all of these artists new releases, because it was and is quality music.... Most of these groups today that come out with this rap or nutech, hiphop music just don't have it, not enough to keep the interest of a faithful fan. Their music gets old fast. It is ashame that some of the new fresher artists don't get the exposure to help them climb the ladder to music success. I am sure there are alot of them out there waiting to get their chance.
Regarding Gerry & Dewey releasing their new CD from their own recording company, I wish they had done this with their Human Nature & Hourglass releases..... Both are filled with that quality music that holds a fans interest and makes them want for more..... Lastly I must commend Jeff Larson & Dan Peek for putting sample clips of their new CD's on their sites, I think that we the fans and consumers appreciate this and benefit from it. Hey I may never have even had the chance to hear these great CD's if I hadn't of found them here on the web..... Soooo sad to think if that were the case.....
Thanks for reading my rambling on!
Have a great weekend all ~~ Nancy :)
~~~~~It's kind of a special feeling when you are out on the sea alone, starring at the full moon like a lover. Time for a , Time for a coool change, Timeee for a cooool change, now that my life is so prearranged, it's time for a cooool change~~~~~ :)

Well said, Pat and Kevin! Speaking of the lack of talent left in CSN&Y, I was in a CD store at a listening post, hearing tracks off their latest offering, and I was fast forwarding some tracks after only a short time into the song. And I remembered when I couldn't stop playing the likes of the 1st album, Deja Vu, Four Way Street etc.

I shed no tears for record companies. But if you look at things through their coke-infested eyes, you at least see the problem with dealing with many "oldies" acts. And why that affects bands like America.

Too many legacy acts have lost the creative spark that brought them their initial fame. Since record execs don't know music, but marketing, they're trading in brand names, not talent.

Look at CSYN. A big named band that a record company signed and whose sales tanked. Not because there's no market for bands like CSNY. But because there's no talent left in CSN. So bands like America suffer. Record execs think, "people aren't going to buy this stuff, so we won't do that again." When in reality, people will buy it if it's good.

As far as America is concerned, they are a victim of marketing. Sure they're having trouble getting backing by a major label. But that might not be totally the record industry's fault. We've all read that major labels were interested in America if Dan came back. They chose to turn down those overtures. While I respect their decision and understand it, one sacrifice that come with saying, "no thanks," is relative obscurity. So it's unfair to say that America is ignored by the record industry.

If America can't get a major label record deal, screw the record companies. Times have changed. Release stuff on their own label over the internet.

The last sales numbers I saw for Human Nature would indicate that America could sell more of their stuff themselves than any small time record label could. And they avoid juicing the pimp.

KevinS.

I think that the music industry in general has not done much in the way of promoting new and different kinds of artists for many years. I also think that they have been ripping-off the artists by taking too big of a chunk of the pie for many many years. So now artists have the opportunity to sell their music directly to the consumer via the internet?

I say: "Hello internet, goodbye record company conglomerates!"

I am definately in favor of putting more money in the pockets of the musicians and songwriters and less in the pockets of record company business people who don't know the difference between a G chord and a C chord.~Pat

Hello everyone,interestingly the London "Times" had an article after a recent Eagles tour and pointed out that music simply wasn't being made for a mature musical audience.What seemed to baffle the writer of this particular story was the huge turnout and the fact this market simply wasn't tapped.Perhaps those responsible for signing acts are to young to remember a vibrant and interesting hot 100 album chart.If "America" are to get behind their own label then the offical web site will need much more serious consideration,also with the amount of gigs during the year just maybe at some stage the guys will be able to shift a fair few copies,without the promoter taking a slice.

Thank goodness for Rhino Records.

That's what happens when you live in a "throw away society" like our's
the only hope we have is to "Teach your children well"...

extactly what I have been saying for the past few years. Major labels are hurting themselves when they write-off "oldies" bands that want to record new material and the radio industry (especially the oldies and classic rock stations) are driving off listeners when they play the same stuff over and over and over and over ...

They did "California Dreamin' " in the second set. The first set they did "Lonely People" Other than that the set was the same ( I did not write down the order either, Maybe ShariL did?)

As far as I can remember, not in order, except Ventura Highway: Robyn ?

Ventura Highway - lead off song
Don't Cross the River
Tin Man
You Can Do Magic
California Dreaming
Only in Your Heart
Daisy Jane
I Need You (GERRY's version)
Sandman
Sister Golden Hair
Horse With No Name

I'm just curious. What tunes did Gerry and Dewey play for these Disney "family" gigs, and did the set list contrast much with the list for shows they do in "regular" concert settings? Obviously, family audiences are more likely to know just the hits, but the guys always do the hits anyway.

I was reading the article you mentioned. These two quotes struck me most of all:
"The major labels have snubbed older music fans in recent years, yet over-40s now constitute 44 percent of the CD market, up from 19.6 percent in 1992, according to the RIAA's 2001 annual consumer profile."
"Short-sighted labels and tightly programmed radio have bolstered the success of certain styles and performers but prevented anything fresh from breaking through."

sorry I missed it! Hey Bones, how did it go hosting? Hope the skirt wasn't too tight!

I was reading an interesting article titled Hit Charade - The Music Industry's Self-Inflicted Wounds which goes along with some of the recent comments made about CD sales today. Click on the preceding link to read it for yourself and let me know what you think. Here's the closing quote from the article:

"In erecting bulwarks around their domains, the major music businesses have left no entrance for the serendipity that kept the pop industry lively (and profitable) for decades. Yet the barbarians at those padlocked gates are the only people who can save the major labels' dwindling empires."

Yes, absolutely. Today it is much more intimate, more personable to see & hear AMERICA in smaller venues. The music in a big huge stadium can feel a bit distant. By the way Maurizio, I think you might have seen that AMERICA will be back to the Canyon Club late in the year.

Hy to all.
It's the first time I write here. My name is Maurizio (from Italy), and you can read something about me in the bio section.
I was caught by this message because I was thinking about my recent visit in the USA, and, particularly, to the great concert in the Canyon Dinner Theatre in Agoura Hills, CA.
It was the third America concert for me, and I was surprised to discover that Gerry had disappeared few minutes after the end of the show. I have been able to have a photo with Dewey and Michael, but they were so hurried!!
In fact they were going to play somewhere else the day after.
When they came in Europe, they were a little bit different; maybe less things to do and to think between one show and the following one, but I remember they spent more than one hour for photos and autographs with the fans.
Anyway, the concert in LA was great, they were great, and I thank them for running from one show to another. I always think this touring it's better that a mega-concert in a big stadium twice a year.
Do you agree on this?
Ciao. Maurizio

Me Again~~~
Hi DanC ~~~ Guess you haven't had time to read the posts! Time sure is flying by. Nice that you are getting to see them this Sunday ~~ looks like you will be in for a triple header here~~~ The Grass Roots are playing right before AMERICA and then there will be Fireworks after AMERICA~~~ Will you be taking all of this in? Sounds like a fun day! Oh by the way American Girl mentioned on the live chat this evening that She & her Husband may be taking this in too.~~~~~Hmmmmm ~~ Just wondering Dan why haven't you joined in on the live chats lately?
Regarding tonights live chat~~~ It was a very interesting evening to say the least. We had a visitor by the name of farmgirl and it seems she was present at the Cayman show this past spring, she was lucky enough to take this all in, but unfortunately cannot recall any of it because of wayyyyy tooo much partyyyyyying!!!!! She left the chat room unannounced soooo it is still a mystery who she really is!
Nice to talk with ~~ Brad (your first visit to the live chat hit one of the more mysterious ones!)~~windwave, mel(glad you could come on some)~~our host for the evening~~ Bones (How would you say the evening went?)~~schoolgirl & American girl, and a couple others & some that just popped in and out! It was fun! ~~~~ Hey Red~~ Where were you???
Well time to head to bed for me~~~ Good Night! Nancy :)
~~~~ Spend alot of time waiting to find you,I spent alot of time all on my own, I could have gone about you different ways, watching my nights turn to days, always wanna be your one and only, never be lonely, here in the middle of now or ever, I finally found where I belong, I could go on like this forever, Looking at you, Loooooking at Youuuuuuuuu~~~~~~~~~ Nice :)

AMERICA never rests. The road can be tough, the road can be long, but their hearts are always ready by showtime, once they see & hear their valued fans. That's why many times once the show ends they have to make a quick exit, for the next day's departure can be quite early. After the last California Adventure show, it was up at 5am Wednesday to catch the 8am LAX flight & eventually get to New Jersey via various cities.

They fly. But it's still a very grueling schedule.

Getting ready for the Bensenville show Sunday. I was noticing that they are in Utah Saturday, Illinois on Sunday, and back to Washington state on Monday. Do they travel on the bus when the shows are that far apart three days in a row or fly that distance? Just wondering. I hope they are rested and ready to rock on Sunday, with a nice long set. Yea, I'm greedy. DanC

Getting ready for the Bensenville show Sunday. I was noticing that they are in Utah Saturday, Illinois on Sunday, and back to Washington state on Monday. Do they travel on the bus when the shows are that far apart three days in a row or fly that distance? Just wondering. I hope they are rested and ready to rock on Sunday, with a nice long set. Yea, I'm greedy. DanC

lol I know what you mean..I think it was more that the songs reminded him of J.B. And hearing the words wind-wave, probally made him think of sailing since both he and J.B. are sailors..lol

Hi Everybody!
Hi Jimnak ~~~ Thanks for your review of the Disneyland Shows, sounded really nice. Is it possible they could now make this an annual set of Shows there! So nice to hear that it was enjoyed by all age groups. I still haven't heard from my friend about the show her and her sister's went too~~~ they must be floating around the air there somewhere around Disneyland!
Thanks Kell, for the neat pics you sent to Steve L to post here for us all to see, Soooo coool that your 1 yr old Son told Gerry that Mom Had to meet Him .... AHAAAA! I just may take my 2 1/2 yr old niece with me to the show at IUP next April. You should hear how cute she sings Love me with your head & heart & Submarine Ladies!
Hi Steve L ~~~ Hmmm why can't we have 2 collector series of pics, I kinda like the View from the wall in front of the Stage ;)
Hi rc ~~~ Thanks for sharing your friends review of the show ~~~ A Blast from the Past~~~ WOW! says alot! Neat that he had 4th row seats! I really got a laugh out of him saying that he even heard some of Jimmy Buffet's tunes ~~~~ LOL! ~~~ I am wondering if he thought that the song Hangover was one of Buffet's tunes, or maybe he thought Windwave was one....Oh well it sounds like he did enjoy it, and like you said that is all that matters.
Hey Red ~~~ Hmmmm that wasn't a bad idea of yours to promote the Cayman CD on QVC! Neat to know that they did a HSN show back when they were promoting Human Nature... Sorry to say I missed that one! ~~~ Hey maybe this will come to be!~~~
Hope to make it to the Live Chat tonight!
Sooooo Gerry & Dewey are back on the road again, heading to my part of the US ~~~ Nice! ~~~~~ Soooo you take a walk down the Goodbye highway, the hello, goodbye way , it's a one way road ~~~ Ever find yourself down the goodbye highway ~~ the some other time way, Nowhere left to go, nowhere left to goooooo~~~ Gotta go for now, Nancy :)

Thanks.. normally I would have just sent the url, but his computer crashed and have no idea when he will be back online.. I wanted to ask in case I decided to print out and use snail mail..

Would it be okay to send those to Dennis as a rememberance?

I'm sure Kell wouldn't mind if you sent them to him. All I have is the electronic versions that I posted. You can either send them to him in a mail message or print them and send them to him.

lol I just had read that and thanks to Kell..Would be okay to send those to Dennis as a rememberance? Just took a shot with the stage photos..Those were fun.
I was surprised when he said Buffet myself and had to ask. Will ask him again next time we talk.
Thanks again,
Robin

Thanks for the review, Robin. I think Gerry has discontinued the view from the stage photos and replaced them with the view from the hotel window series. By the way, I just finished posting a few photos from the Grants Pass concert at /america/gpass02.htm (thanks to Kell McGee).

I doubt that America has added any Jimmy Buffet tunes....

Hi.
I had said I would give a report from friend on this one. Now remember this was a first time for this gentleman. First off, he really enjoyed it!! A blast from the past as he referred to it lol, but he felt short at 90 minutes.(boy we get greedy at times with these guys don't we :-) Although it was hot that day, in low 100's he said it did cool down somewhat and there was a nice breeze. But that the guys were sweating alot lol.. It was at a fair, so he opted for spending extra to get seat on the field. 4th row! He said crowd was great, whole grandstand filled as well as about 80% of seats on the ground. As far as the set list went, can't give you much there, because he wasn't that familiar with later stuff.. He did like California Dreaming, Horse, and others but he didn't know the names.. He said they played some Jimmy Buffet tunes??? Is this new for this next tour run? Not sure about that one. He tried to write stuff down for me but his pen wouldn't work at times lol.. ah well.. I was just more interested in his reaction and that he had a good time. All that really matterd to me in the long run.

Anyone know if the Ventura Highway site will post "from the stage" pics of this year's tour? Would love to see one from that show and see if I can find him in the crowd..lol.. Saw a pic of the Massillon show I was at last year, but couldn't find me. Still was fun to see that.

rc

Hi.
I had said I would give a report from friend on this one. Now remember this was a first time for this gentleman. First off, he really enjoyed it!! A blast from the past as he referred to it lol, but he felt short at 90 minutes.(boy we get greedy at times with these guys don't we :-) Although it was hot that day, in low 100's he said it did cool down somewhat and there was a nice breeze. But that the guys were sweating alot lol.. It was at a fair, so he opted for spending extra to get seat on the field. 4th row! He said crowd was great, whole grandstand filled as well as about 80% of seats on the ground. As far as the set list went, can't give you much there, because he wasn't that familiar with later stuff.. He did like California Dreaming, Horse, and others but he didn't know the names.. He said they played some Jimmy Buffet tunes??? Is this new for this next tour run? Not sure about that one. He tried to write stuff down for me but his pen wouldn't work at times lol.. ah well.. I was just more interested in his reaction and that he had a good time. All that really matterd to me in the long run.

Anyone know if the Ventura Highway site will post "from the stage" pics of this year's tour? Would love to see one from that show and see if I can find him in the crowd..lol.. Saw a pic of the Massillon show I was at last year, but couldn't find me. Still was fun to see that.

rc

I received a message today with a few photos attached from the Grants Pass concert. I'll get the photos posted as soon as I can but I wrote back to Kell, who sent me the photos, and got her permission to share the message that she sent. It was classic America:

"Here are a couple photos I took at one of AMERICA'S recent shows. I love this website and hope you will feel free to post the photos to it. I have been a fan for MANY years. Now, my children listen to AMERICA and even my four year old sings along!

"I was able to bring my younger son (age 11) to this concert with me. We had front row seats and when the concert was finished Cameron went to their tour bus and as Dewey was signing his autograph, Cameron told him that 'his Mom HAD to meet Gerry Beckley'. The next thing I knew, Gerry and Cameron were strolling up to the fence where I was standing.

"Gerry took the time for a little conversation and signed a few more autographs for other folks standing next to me. Lastly, he signed my son's shirt which I had put the Mirror to Mirror Tour logo on. I can't wait to catch the next concert! Gerry, looking forward to another solo album!"

Well first off..*sigh* wish I could have been at that one lol..Already have been passing info around to people I know about upcoming release.

Some had asked about appearance on the Today show recently which made me remember something. During that same time, the Human Nature promo, they appeared on the Home Shopping Network. It was in Oct'98. HSN had been doing a series of music shows and they were there all day. Don't recall how many times they were on ..At least 3-4 shows which were an hour each.. I had taped it, but.. have no idea where that one went lol.. They played some tunes, talked to people on the phone, was fun to watch and they seemed to be having a blast as well.. Even though I already Human Nature by that time, I purchased the combo set they offered which was the H.N. CD and a live performance from '82..both autographed *shrugs* hey well why not right? ;-) Besides I was at that concert in '82 so its a sentimental thing.. How often do you get a CD of a performance you attended?
I am sure they sold alot in one day.. Easily had to be at least 1500+ copies per show..those counters were flying lol and they had different choices of what you could get..
Guess will have to put a bug in HSN's ear again about this one lol
*sniff* but if that happens I may not get to see it unless I can con someone with cable to tape it for me LOL... local tv doesn't carry it anymore..lol

Take Care,
Robin C.

sounds GREAT! wish i could've been there...maybe next time!

Erin :o)

Thanks for the review Jim!

I'll tell you," he said, "I've learned that arthritis is the cruelest disease."
"Crueler than cancer?" his friend asked.
"You bet," the first codger replied. "It makes every single one of your joints stiff, except the right one."

A mind is a terrible thing.......

AMERICA just completed 6 shows in 3 days at Disney's California Adventure, their sister park next to DisneyLand. The shows were very well attended & California Adventure's management was extremely pleased. Hopefully AMERICA will be back next year, so this is one of those AMERICA shows to plan on & bring the whole family, but line up early for the seats since they fill up fast or buy the premium dinner seats. The crowds consisted of all ages & everyone had a real nice time. This was AMERICA playing for families. Disney runs a class operation; they are good to their customers, their employees & to AMERICA. So all & all it was a lot of fun for AMERICA & their families. If there are any flaws there was but 1. One of the stage crews was complaining that someone keeps watering the plants that line the stage - usually this would not be a bad thing, except that all the plants are artificial ! And yes the water has nowhere to go, filling up fast ! Seriously though everything went flawless for AMERICA. GERRY & DEWEY played very high energy 45 minute sets & I saw whole families who were singing along w/AMERICA. The crowd was warmed up by a comedian who gave out free California Adventure t-shirts to those who could answer AMERICA trivia. And then it was on to New Jersey for AMERICA. See AMERICA live in a town near you !!!
Hey Shari & her daughter were there as was Robyn.

Hello everyone,perhaps America having its own label is the way to go many of us here will recall Oxygen setting up stall at certain venues.Two America studio albums in nearly twenty years says it all,in point of fact two thirds of their entire musical careers.Even when Oxygen were promoting "Human Nature" at certain gigs some promoters wanted a slice of that action as well.The way technology is going and the number of talented artists without labels selling from web sites and at shows may be the norm in future.One wonders how many people turn up during the course of an America tour? As artists they have so much to offer, how frustrating for them not to have had more tunes on the CD format,as all will agree here "Hourglss" and "Human Nature" were and are first class.

Me Again!
Hi SteveL ~~~ Okay, thanks, I will try and be patient about this, but it would be a nice birthday surprise for me, it would help make me forget I am another year older!
Hi Speech~~~ Yes~~ I too would love to see Gerry & Dewey on a Storytellers or on A & E Live By Request. Either setting would be a perfect opportunity to bring Dan in with. Such nice personal settings to both shows. Definitely would be an event to Treasure!
~~~~~~ Old days, days of simple pleasures, Gold days, Day's I'll always treasure, Good times I remember~~~~~~~~Funny faces, comic books and movies, Old dayssss , Fun dayssssss ~~~ Good memories seem like yesterday~~~~~~~ See ya, Nancy :)

Did Gerry give you a hint when it may be releasing?

Nope, no hint. The only thing I've heard is that it has been or is being mastered and it is scheduled for a summer release. As far as the label goes, America is going to release it on their own label but we'll have to see what name they give the label. I don't think it will be Human Nature which is Gerry's label. This is an official release, not a bootleg. Poco is doing the same, as did Pete Townsend, and a host of others. The music business is changing because of the net and the digital revolution in general.

Jimbob ... agreed on all counts. America "unplugged" is a natural. Another show I'd like to see: America on a VH-1 "Storytellers" installment, preferrably acoustic, but either way. As we know, Gerry and Dewey have enough yarns from decades of recording sessions and "moving trains" to pull it off, not to mention the personal charisma.

Thanks for filling me in on background leading up to the Cayman Island concert CD.
I wondered, when I heard about the Cayman gig at the time, if Gerry and Dewey might seize the opportunity to "bring on an old friend of ours" and do an "impromptu" reunion. Clearly that wasn't in the cards.
As for my earlier reference to "legitimately," I was not referring to a possible Internet-only release. I was wondering, since I knew nothing at all at that point about the planned CD, if it was expected to be another "Heard" situation -- a bootleg that nonetheless was welcomed by the America fan base because it contained source material long sought after (i.e., an all-acoustic show).
I now realize that it will be a legitimate, licensed release.
Incidentally, I am envious. You are lucky, indeed, to have witnessed Gerry and Dewey perform an all-acoustic show (still my preferred way to hear them) in such an idyllic setting.
Strictly as a matter of personal preference, the only thing I might change, if I had my druthers, would be the location. I might want to experience such a show under the stars in Barbados or St. Maarten (where I had my honeymoon) instead. But this is a minor quibble.

or in my dreams ...

Oops sorry, I swear I thought Brad said he went to the Cayman's - maybe it was in his dreams ...

Jimnak's thinking there was a bass player at the Caymans show wasn't totally baseless. Jimnak, I think you believed Brad might have been present because Brad appeared with Gerry and Dewey a couple of times while promoting "Human Nature" in a couple of music stores. I think Brad even appeared with just Gerry once or twice.

Hi Everyone! :)
Oooh Red~~ You are too much, I am sitting here smiling from ear to ear, and laughing too, just the thought of me on QVC ~~~ OOOOOH NOOOO! It would be nice to go and help promote this great CD, who knows this may be a whole new career just lying there waiting for me to dive into it..... Thanks for the trip down memory lane! Your lyrics has me smiling too, what a great song ~~~~It was songs of love that I would sing to then, and I'd memorize each word, those old melodies still sound soooooo goood to me ~~As they melt the years away.......All my best memories come back clearly to me, some can even make me cryyyyyyyyy ~~~ Just like before ~~~ It's Yesterday Once More ~~~~~ :) :) :)
Hi Steve L~~~~Wow!!!!! I love Gerry's response, gives me the chills I am gettin soo anxious to hear this, I am like a little kid waiting for my birthday gift to arrive,,, hmmmm my birthday is coming soon, sure would be nice to have the Mailman deliver it to me for my bid day! Did Gerry give you a hint when it may be releasing?
Hi Kevin S~~~ <<<<
And I was blown away by how much sound came out of just two people.>>>>>> I LOVE IT ~~~~ LUCKY YOU! OOOOH I want to hear this soooon!
Okay gotta go for now, soooo much to doooo! Seee yaaa later! Smiling Nancy :) :) :)

I got a response from Gerry regarding the bass player question at the Grand Cayman gig. I love his response so I'm going to quote it verbatim: "No Brad... No bass... No problem." So the show was probably very similar to the one that Kevin saw last year. I can hardly wait to hear it.

If they were smart, they would put it on QVC as a world premiere. They could reach so many buyers and lovers of their music. Nancy could maybe appear on the show as she lives in Pennsylvania. Wouldn't that be a trip!!!!

Every Sha-la-la-la
Every Wo-o-wo-o
Still shines
Every shing-a-ling-a-ling
That they're startin' to sing's
So fine.

Speech: The concert that this CD is taken from is actually the second Cayman Island concert America did. The first was the previous January. My wife and I were fortunate enough to attend that one. It was only Bunnell and Beckley and their acoustic guitars, with Gerry Beckley on the occassional piano. They didn't bring along their bass player or their lead guitarist or their drum machine. Just the two of them. At first I harbored illusions that maybe Dan Peek would join them, seeing as he lives there, but of course that never happened. Hissy fits, it seems, apply locally as well as internationally.

How did it come about? From what I remember reading, and finding out when I got down to the island, a promoter in Cayman had been trying to bring a band down there for quite awhile. To give the islanders a taste of big time music that they rarely get. And to stimulate tourism to the island.

The gig was offered to America and, from what I gather, they couldn't afford to bring the whole band, so Beckey and Bunnell used it as an all acoustic showcase, which is perfect for them.

They had a wonderful time, seemed to really have fun on stage, playing songs they don't normally play and arrangements they don't normally do. Especially Dewey. It was interesting to see him get chords from Gerry before they broke into certain songs.

And I was blown away by how much sound came out of just two people.

Unfortnately, I didn't attend the following year's show, the one this recording was taken from. I wasn't aware they brought their bass player with them, which woundn't then qualify this as an unplugged album per se. But if it's anything like the concert I saw, it will be a monumental acheivement in the America catalog.

I wonder if it's one of those discs that, since it will be released on America's label, will only be available over the internet and not in stores. Is that what you meant by issued legitimately?

KevinS.

Thanks Steve, for your prompt reply. I have not heard any reports (nor read, to be more truthful) of Brad being at either of the Cayman Gigs, in the last two years. And Steve, certainly the photos you have posted, show it as only being the two of them. And speechwriter, I bet you have indeed been waiting for an unplugged show. Ive read your posts, over the while, and always pretty much agree with what you have to say, and I must say, this release is LONG overdue! I mean, shouldn't these guys have been the FIRST unplugged? The answer, actually, is yes. We all know that, anyway!

Thanks for the update! Always a pleasure to look forward to a new release. I'd be interested to know how the all-acoustic format came about for the Cayman show. I've wanted for some time now to hear the guys doing an "unplugged" show and have just about given up hope on ever experiencing it.

That should read,"I wonder, THEN, not, the.

I don't know if Brad was at the Cayman show. I've seen a couple of photographs from the show and it looked like it was only Gerry and Dewey. But it's possible that Brad was outside the photo. I'll check and see if I can find out.

Hey thanks, jimnak, for that info. It's the first I have heard that Brad was involved. I wonder, the, if he was on backup vocals? Steve, do you know? Cheers, Jim.(Bob)

As far as I can recall, I thought Brad Palmer went over w/GERRY & DEWEY to play his bass. I guess we will see on the liner notes if this is true. You know Brad is quite a player.

jimnak, when you say 'bass yes', do you mean someone was on bass for this gig?

Hello everyone,I'm very much looking forward to the release of "the Cayman Island gig" much of America's appeal lays within it's splendid acoustic playing.America have always been compaired to CSN,but listening to some of their old albums they have never come close to matching America's sparkling acoustics,Tin Man,Ventura Highway,Horse,Everyone I meet Is from California, plus many others.Also of interest is America's own label.Sales of CD's are down could this be for the fact that popular music is not aimed at the over 25 age bracket?

Speech, here's what I can tell you about the upcoming CD. On April 5th of this year Gerry and Dewey performed a live concert on the beach near the Seaview Hotel and Dive Center on Grand Cayman Island. It was an all acoustic set and it was professionally recorded by Hank Linderman and friends. Dewey and Gerry and others have been working feverishly in their spare time to get the CD released as soon as possible. The last I heard it was scheduled for a summer release but summer is fading fast. I know that the mastering has already taken place and may be finished. It's going to be released on America's own label (I'm not sure what that means - perhaps the Human Nature label). As I get more information I'll be sure to pass it along. In the meantime you can look at the Cayman Island Concert web page that I created which includes the track list from the CD and a link to a photo from the concert. --SteveL

Just curious ... anyone out there familiar with an early-70s band from Texas known as Gladstone? I recently stumbled onto their debut LP from the 70s (in a dollar bin) and was impressed. The harmonies and the acoustic playing, to my ears, is some of the best I've heard this side of Gerry, Dewey and Dan. The band recorded for ABC/Dunhill, and the first LP was released in the mid-70s. It stiffed, but they apparently got to record a follow-up anyway. Based on having heard the first one, I'd love to find the second, but I'm sure it's pretty obscure. The only misstep on the debut LP, as far as I'm concerned, was an intended single entitled "A Piece of Paper." A fairly memorable hook and some nice harmonies couldn't save the song as a single, maybe because the lyrics came off sounding a bit sanctimonious. Anyhow, if you vinyl-hunters out there ever see an LP by Gladstone out of Tyler, Texas, I'd recommend it as an excellent example of a band that had some strong songs, were imaginative players and arrangers, and sang excellent acoustic harmony.

I need to be brought up to speed ... I gather from reading the posts that there is a "live" America disc being released soon that was taken from an all-acoustic set done by Gerry and Dewey. Is this going to be issued legitimately, and, if so, on what label. Also, was it an all-acoustic show? Where and when was it recorded? I feel like I've missed the boat here.

Hi Tasha ~~ Welcome :)
Thanks for posting about the show, I have the goosebumps just reading it. Isn't it great to hear these great songs live, I know, I just loved hearing them at the show I saw back in Feb. I love Gerry's expression whenever he starts playing Riverside, they opened with this at the show I saw, and I have the America in concert DVD and they opened with Riverside on this too. What can I say about Three Roses, it is soooo nice, it brought tears to my eyes hearing it. Nice that you had your family there for this. I am soooo glad that we still have Gerry & Dewey performing all of these shows...... Hope to hear from you again. See ya Nancy :)

I just saw these guys live for the first time. Wow...what a perfect show they did. I was standing there with my daughter and grandkids and realizing alot has changed in 30 years. I wore out 2 seperate albums of theirs and a few cassettes over the years. Still get goosebumps whenever I hear Riverside or Three Roses (and they OPENED with Riverside and played Three Roses!). I'm glad they survived. I'm glad I survived. The place was packed and everyone seemed so pleased. Blessings to You, America!

I just saw these guys live for the first time. Wow...what a perfect show they did. I was standing there with my daughter and grandkids and realizing alot has changed in 30 years. I wore out 2 seperate albums of theirs and a few cassettes over the years. Still get goosebumps whenever I hear Riverside or Three Roses (and they OPENED with Riverside and played Three Roses!). I'm glad they survived. I'm glad I survived. The place was packed and everyone seemed so pleased. Blessings to You, America!

Kevin,I'll take your word on that and hold you to it! Should be an interesting disk! Now if we can just get a release date....

Hi Everyone~~
Nice to find some new Posts here !
I imagine most of our thoughts yesterday were in Calif. at Disneyland, wishing we could all be there to see this. I know my thoughts were there! My friend Mary & her sister's will be seeing the show this evening, so excited for you Mary, Enjoy the show, will be anxious to hear all about it. I was talking with Jim last evening and we both typed at the same time, well they should be singing by now, Nice :) That would be sooo neat if there were a concert for all of us fans here on the site, just to get to meet and have the time of our lives. Would we have the place ROCKIN or WHAT! :) Hope to hear from some of the other's that took in the Disneyland shows.
Hi Jimnak ~~~ Sooo cool of you to get autographed drum sticks for Robyn~~ Wow! How about posting your thoughts on the shows? You hit the nail right on the head when you said <<Also, since the Cayman show was GERRY & DEWEY w/o the full (bass yes) backing band, this will really showcase just the pureness & beauty of their craft in both voice & musical art - GERRY & DEWEY solo together>>>> That is my exact reason for wanting this sooo Badly, I will be in AMERICA Heaven for sure! WOW! Thanks Gerry & Dewey for listening to us and releasing this for all of us to hear! :)
Thanks Kevin for sharing your thoughts about your Cayman show, it will be so nice just to hear all of these songs. Please Mr. Mailman ~~ You've just got to get on the ball and deliver this new CD to me SOON!
Hi Johnny & Ladd ~~~ I too was taken by Ladd's subject title~~~ Tooo Much!
Hi Red~~~ I would imagine you will get caught up in all of the excitement that this day can hold, Wow! 15,000 college students and their first day back on campus. Have a good one! My son will be packing up and moving back to college this Thursday ~~ Wow ~~ where did the summer gooooo tooo! School for my other kids start next Monday! Regarding the AMERICA show that you are counting down the days till, I am counting too, you better let us know about it right away, soo nice that you and your daughter will see this together. Nice Dad!
Have a good day all~~~~~ Nancy :)
~~~ And we just flow together when the lights are low, shadows dancing across the wall, the music's playing so soft and slow....the rest of the world is so far away and small~~~ When we are slow dancing and swaying to the music~~~~~

LOL, Ladd!!! Clever subject title. I initially thought, "Who the heck is Herb?"

Speaking of which, there was an America t-shirt for sale on eBay a couple of weeks ago from the "Hideaway" era. "Herbie" was all over the back of that shirt! It was really cool-looking...a definite collector's item!!!

I meant to post this last night , but was so wiped by the time I got home that my review had to wait till this morning.

First of all a huge THANK YOU to jimnak who secured for me a pair of Willie's sticks. He even got them signed! Thanks to Jim and Willie!!!

. A word to anyone planning on going to the show. There are two ways to get a seat. One is to eat at one of the more upscale resturants and spen $25 PER PERSON. You can get preferred seating ( Check with them BEFORE ordering, when I checked, they had "sold out "of the preferred seats.) The other way is to get in line EARLY. I got in line about 4:30.

The show was great. It was the short set. No surprises. The sound was superb! The bandstand is set on Paradise Lake, it is an ampitheatre-like setting with tiered stone benches ringing the semi-circle They were all in fine musical form, looking happy and relaxed, making jokes ( my fav? Dewey asked Gerry what the name of the lake was, Gerry responded "Drowning Land?") My daughter remarked to me " Gee , I'm the only kid here singing along" We were unable to stay for the second set, but it was a different one ( I heard California Dreamin' as we were heading out of the park.) All in all a lovely day, I am glad I had something OTHER than just a visit to California Adventure, the park itself is pretty, but dull rides.

Didn't see you Shari! I was looking for fans but didn't see anyone other than Betty who organizes the Carl walk ( Speaking of which, is anyone else planning on walking? Daughter Kate and I will be going. it's a whole lot of fun for a worthy cause!)

Also, since the Cayman show was GERRY & DEWEY w/o the full (bass yes) backing band, this will really showcase just the pureness & beauty of their craft in both voice & musical art - GERRY & DEWEY solo together!

Robyn, was the evening too hard on you or are you sleeping in? Imagine Dewey & Gerry were on top of their game at Disneyland yesterday.
Moser, glad I hit a nerve with Paul Davis' song lyrics. Are you going to see America at New York State Fair?
32 days and counting til America's concert here in Denver. Maybe by then it will be cooler. This is the hottest I've ever seen in Denver in 30 years, and also the driest in 30 years.
Well, gotta go and check out the 15,000 students back on campus for the fall semester here at school.

Come on and touch me
When we're dancing
You know you've got that loving touch
Touch me when we're dancing
I want to feel you when I'm falling in love

SteveO: Yeah, the Cayman song list does contain a lot of the usual suspects, but there's a difference this time. Having been at Cayman Show 1, I can tell you that even though we America fans have Horse and Sister Golden Hair on three dozen compilation and live discs over the years, this one is unique in that it's all accoustic.

So while many of the songs are ones we've already bought again and again and again, this is truly something new.

The chance to hear Pigeon Song live is worth the price of admission to me. As well as the price of a flight to the Cayman Islands. And the hotel. And the nine dollar beer.

KevinS.

Damn, was Dewey smoking some good s*** back then!!! Always loved the trippin' lyrics...

"A lot of people have asked me about 'Tin Man' and specifically the line about 'Tropic of Sir Galahad.' Well, there's no nuch thing, but that's supposed to be like a sort of a gentleman, so Sir Galahad is a gentlemanly thing, it's another picture or an another era -- a myth. Another reason for fantasy is to leave open a little bit in the ear of the beholder. But I did have a definition for the 'Tropic of Sir Galahad' which was an actual feeling of being a gentleman. Whatever Sir Galahad was representing would be that -- gentle, a knight in shining armor -- kind of the woman's view of wanting to be swept off her feet, that whole realm that some women live in.'"

Moser, the answer is yes, they have been on the Today show before. It was in September of 1998 when they were promoting Human Nature. Click on the following links to see pictures from the show:

Group 1
Group 2
Group 3

I don't know what the plans are for the upcoming releases. I've been kept pretty much in the dark. If I do find out anything, I'll be sure to pass it along.

Dear Steve L.,
I was watching JT on the Today show on Friday and I got to thinking. Has America ever done a concert for the Today Summer Concert Series? I've noticed that the artists usually has a new release to promote. With America's two new releases coming up soon, this would be an opportune time to get the exposure. Do they have much of a media blitz planned for the upcoming releases? They should. It could only help the sales, right? Moser

Robyn -
I'll be there, probably getting there about noon. I was also hoping (wishing) that Steve's times were right, rather than the 5:45 and 7:45 listed on Disneyland's site. Don't think I'll be able to stay for the second show. Older daughter will be with me. (Matt, if you check in here and see this, I'm sure you'll be hearing about this from Sara soon. She was hoping you'd be back by the next time she went to a show!)
Anybody else going besides Robyn and I'm sure JimNak?
If anybody else is going to be there, let us know and we'll meet up with you! Jim & Robyn & I already know each other from previous concerts.
I always love it when I get to see them more than once a year. I don't take that blessing for granted - especially when some of you hardly ever get a chance to see them.
This is the first time I've had time to check in for about two weeks, so took a while to read up, and didn't actually get all the way back to last time I was here.
Missing seeing some of the other "regular" names around for a while. Are you guys out there lurking or have they gone away?
Take care!
ShariL in San Diego

Hi Me Again~~
Hi Jim Strong~~ Thanks for the neat pics that Steve has posted here on the site. These are some really nice pics of Gerry & Dewey at the California Mid State Fair show. I especially like the one that your son took while Gerry & Dewey are signing "Tin Man", soooo neat that your son caught Gerry'a attention taking this pic, and the fact that Gerry said to have it posted and to call it the view from The Wall, I must say this is not a bad view at all. Wow! What a memory keepsake this is for you and your family. Thanks for sharing it with us. It sure is nice that your whole family are fans of AMERICA's!
Hey there DanC~~~ Did you happen to catch the 4 games that the Cardinals wiped out the Pittsburgh Pirates this week, the Pirates sure are having a bad season. I guess the Phila. Philies have to make up for the Pirates, I see they took the Cardinals 4-0 yesterday.~~~~ Hey what's your thoughts on the Cayman CD songlist?
Hi Johnny~~~ Neat, I always wondered about this "Tropic of Sir Galahad" I like Dewey's reason for choosing this line ~~~ Nice :)

~~~~~When you hold me in your arms so tight, you let me know everything's alright, Iiiii'm hooked on a feeling, high in believing that you're in love with me~~~~~ Good Night! Nancy :)

<<I go crazy
When I look in your eyes I still go crazy
No my heart just can't hide that old feelin inside
Way deep down inside
Oh baby, you know when I look in your eyes I go crazy.>>
Red--Thank you for the fond memories. These are the lyrics to my first "make-out" song. Gotta love it. Carry on, MOSER

"A lot of people have asked me about 'Tin Man' and specifically the line about 'Tropic of Sir Galahad.' Well, there's no nuch thing, but that's supposed to be like a sort of a gentleman, so Sir Galahad is a gentlemanly thing, it's another picture or an another era -- a myth. Another reason for fantasy is to leave open a little bit in the ear of the beholder. But I did have a definition for the 'Tropic of Sir Galahad' which was an actual feeling of being a gentleman. Whatever Sir Galahad was representing would be that -- gentle, a knight in shining armor -- kind of the woman's view of wanting to be swept off her feet, that whole realm that some women live in.'"

Hi Everyone!
Hi Robyn~~ Sorry I didn't make it to the chat on thursday night, after I posted, we recieved word that a friends son had been killed in a tragic motorcycle accident~~~soooo sadd, he was much to young soo much of life ahead of him~~ now not to be seen!~~~ Nice to know you all had a fun time!
Hey Bones~~ One Question~~Are you really sure you can handle all of us Ladies by yourself this coming Wed.? Here is my words of encouragement for you~~ Go for it Loverboy! Oh will you be using your real name in live chat or will we have to call on windwave to let us know which name you will be going by? All joking aside, you add alot of fun to the Live Chat keep it up! I like your wish tune for the Cayman CD toooo!
Hi Jimmmmmmmm~~~~ soooo goood to see your posts~~~so your pick is Sandman ~~ WOW! Hey you keep on playing those great songs on your guitar, and I will keep on singing them. Nice :) Oh Yes I have checked out some more of Neil Finn's songs and I really like them alot. Wouldn't that be neat if Gerry & Dewey would head back to New Zealand for another show and Neil Finn could join them and do Hat Trick with them, that would be one great night for sure..... :)
Hi Johnny ~~~ Good Question~~ I was so happy to finally see the songlist for the Cayman CD~~~ Hmmmm I like Jim really could do without Pigeon Song on it~~ wished it would have been Young Moon or Garden of Peace (Dewey)~~ My one song is a tie, I choose ~~ To Each his Own & All My Life~~ because I have never heard them perform these at all live and I just love both songs! I was happy to see windwave, baby its up to you and Only in your Heart, all in all I can hardly wait to hear it.... Now when is the Release date on this and where can I get my hands on it?
Hey Red~~ What a shame Bones is Banning you from the live chat this wednesday! Keep on posting those great songs~~~ this past one you put lyrics too is sooo nice, so I will just sing some more of it~~~ Hello Girl its been a while, guess you'll be glad to know, that I've learned how to laugh and smile Getting over you was slooow, they say no lovers can be good friends, but I never thought I'd really see you again~~~~ I go crazy, Ooooh Baby when I look in your eyes I still go crazy~~~ Wow I sure do love that song! :)
Hi Duffy ~~ It was nice to see your thoughts on the shows, neat that your whole family took this in. Soo neat that you saw them as a trio your first time, and now to see them as a Duo! I just love that so many of Us Fans are bringing our kids up on this great music for sure, Hope they pass it on to their kids tooo. Thanks!
Have a great weekend all! Bye for now, Nancy :)

I feel your pain...

That's real nice, my first hosting and you people got JOKES!!!!
Where's the compassion? where's the words of encouragement? where's the LOVE!!!!! Because of your comment RedOak, I've decided that Wednesdays night chat will be "Ladies Night" You RedOak can find yourself a good magazine, open it up to the center pages and get to know yourself a little bit better (lol). The 2 topics for discussion next Wednesday night will be 1) Dewey Bunnells abduction for 3 days by aliens back in 1986 and 2) Gerry Beckleys secret encounter with Elvis (the king himself) at a WAL-MART parking lot some where in Tennessee back in 1998.
As for what I'm wearing Robyn and Johnny, I'm waiting for a response from "Miss Manners".
Please do your research on these topics.

Wish "Till the sun comes up again" would of found its way on the Cayman CD.

Good question Johnny! Gotta be SANDMAN! It will be interesting to see if our votes change, once the CD is out. When I first heard of the release, I was hoping each track listing would say who played lead, (like the 1st album), but as recent concerts suggest, it is Gerry.

For me, the song I probably look forward to hearing the most as an all acoustic one is Gerry's "Baby It's Up To You". Have always loved that song and I think it'll be very interesting hearing this version.

To: Dewey, Gerry & Band,
Congratulations on your upcoming release..."The Grand Cayman Concert"

thank you.

On 2nd thoughts, Im so thrilled this CD is on its way, I dont really CARE whats on it! Hell, its 2 of the founding members of the best band ever. Doing AMERICA songs in the purest form!

SteveO,I have to agree with you regarding the set list. Here was the perfect opportunity to include some of those hidden gems we long for. Essentially the set list is the same that has been used for some time, with a few exceptions. I do find "Pigeon Song" a strange one to include, just because there's not a lot to it,even if it IS classic Dewey. But in saying all this, I'm looking forward to this one even more than a release of new material as it's the songs stripped down to how they were originally written, and in some cases, recorded. And though "Sandman" live is something to behold, I miss the original, and in fact prefer it. As you all know by now, Im an acoustic guitar nut and Im sure this release will be amongst the best of them. Oh, and when I first saw the guys in '84, they performed no Dan stuff at all. Listening to 'Cornwall Blank' LOUD, as I write this on a winters Saturday afternoon, and its sounding GREAT!

I remember when Brad stopped singing Dan's songs. I was in Reno with the band and Brad had some throat problems which prevented him from doing anything but backing vocals so Gerry and Dewey took over. I remember the feeling from the fans was that they enjoyed hearing Gerry and Dewey sing the songs so I guess they just kept it that way.

<<...he's on his own for the leather skirt.>>

He already owns his own leather skirt! :0)

<<What's he gonna do on potty break, sit or stand......>>

Stit.

The difference between America and Ratt are that with our guys,you still had 2 of the 3 singers. Stephen Pearcy was the only lead singer for Ratt.I don't think a new guy singing "round and round" is the same as having Pearcy do it. Three Dog Night faced the same thing--Chuck Negron left,but they still had 2 of the 3,though some might debate that Negron had more tunes to take with him than Dan did when he left. Speaking of that,I remember a time when Brad Palmer was the lead singer on the Dan songs "Lonely People" and "Don't cross the river". With all due respect to Brad,I'd still rather hear Gerry or Dewey singing those songs,as opposed to somebody new,seeing as those guys were at least around when they were originally recorded,even helping out with harmony and background vocals. I'm not sure why Brad stopped singing those songs,but its certainly food for thought.

Last month I saw RATT perform at Toad's Place in New Haven. There are now only 2 original members left; Warren De Martini (lead guitar) and Bobby Blotzer (drums). They Rocked The House! The new singer was excellent, although I don't think he's as good as Stephen Pearcy (the original singer). Warren threw one of his guitar picks right to me just as the band was leaving the stage after playing "Round and Round" for their encore! Afterwards I got to shake his hand when he stepped out of the tour bus to sign autographs.

It's tough on the fans (and the bands too) when key members leave. But life goes on. Why shouldn't musicians "carry on" if they want to? Should G&D have called it quits because Dan did? No. And I'm definately glad they didn't.

In the end, it's the MUSIC that endures.

PS: Robbin Crosby, the other original guitarist from RATT, died in June from AIDS. He was 42. Rest In Peace.

What's he gonna do on potty break, sit or stand........

I go crazy
When I look in your eyes I still go crazy
No my heart just can't hide that old feelin inside
Way deep down inside
Oh baby, you know when I look in your eyes I go crazy.

I'll lend him my four inch platforms, he's on his own for the leather mini.

I can just see Bones hosting next week in a short skirt and heels.

Good one Robyn. Just struck me funny. LOL

To those who haven't checked,the track listing is now available on "Ventura Highway.com" for the Grand Caymans show. Personally,I was hoping for a few additional obscure tunes. Its nice to see that "Windwave","Baby its up to you","Pigeon song" and "All my life" are included,but those are about the only "rarities" the set includes.
While I'm sure it'll be a good CD,I guess I was expecting a few more of the "deeper" LP cuts that rarely get performed. I certainly have enough different versions of "Horse with no name" and "Sister Goldenhair" that I was hoping those tunes would be excluded. But thats coming from a diehard. The Casual fan would probably want to hear those songs. Either way,it'll be an immediate purchase!

You boys should learn to spell 'hood style. I was refering to a farm tool. Everyone knows THAT!

Say it ain't so, Robyn! A reference to Santa Claus and the Christmas CD, right? Really... we can all pitch in and help you make ends meet, I'm sure.

Did you walk to work ? or did you bring your lunch ?

huh?

Robyn,

Do you have a part time job, that you never mentioned before today?:)

The hair was shorter, the age greater, the trio was now a duo, and times are so different. It has been 30 years since my last live concert with Gerry & Dewey. The night was GREAT! I had my 2 sons, 13 & 18 with me,along with my wife all for their first America concert. My younger son now wants to switch from piano to guitar. The older one says “Dad its not rap, but its not bad either”. I had wondered if any of the energy would be gone, and was happy to find not it had not left. Every note as clean and crisp as ever.

The set was this years standard with the exception of “Baby its up to you” and “Wheels”. Halfway through the evening most of the audience was on their feet and stayed so until the last moment. It was a very nice night.

Duffy~

I see that they have posted the list of songs for both the Cayman's show and the Christmas album on vh.com. Any word on a release date? ( wishing....)

Nice to meet Amy, American Girl, Alibi, RC, Robyn, Windwave, Bones, et al in chats on Wed & Thu nite. Only 5 weeks til America in Denver. Heres something to mull over.

A wife arrived home from a shopping trip and was shocked
to find her husband in bed with a lovely young woman.
Just as she was about to storm out of the
house, her husband called out "Perhaps you should
hear how all this came about..."

I was driving home on the highway when I saw this young woman
looking tired and bedraggled. I brought her home and
made her a meal from the roast beef
you had forgotten about in the fridge.

She was bare-footed so I gave her your good sandals which you had discarded
because they had gone out of style.

She was cold so I gave her the sweater which I bought for you for your
birthday but you never wore because the color didn't suit you.

Her pants were torn, so I gave her a pair of your jeans,
which were perfectly
good, but too small for you now.

"Then just as she was about to leave, she asked, 'Is there
anything else your wife
doesn't use anymore ?'"

to all who joined my impromptu chat! That was a lot of fun! Hoe to be back on track next week! We will have a group listen when I can commit to an evening unless you all want to go ahead without me ( bones can host!)

Hi again...I did check it out after reading your post about the orchestra. Still sounds like a great opportunity to see them in a concert that is somewhat different then the norm.. Tell ya what...I'll take your 3 hour drive if you take my 5 hour drive lol...just kidding :-)
Robin

You are correct Jimnak. What a bad year.

Robin, www.cincinnatipops.org look under concerts and events.

JB

Hi Jeff,
I had seen them listed on tour scheduled but didn't know they would be playing with the Pops Orchestra in Cincinnati..To hear them with orchestra backup,now that would be excellant. I am seriously considering trekking on down for that one. Ironic thing...America is playing here Aug 30 and Cincy Pops are playing down the road the 31st and Sept 1 lol
Thanks for the reminder..
Robin C.

Buddy Holly ? 1959

I will check in then, maybe for an hour...........

Nancy, You can check out Jeff Foskett at new-surf.com.

I'm seriously considering going to Cincinnati. It's about a 3 hr. drive from our home.

Good to see that you're enjoying your Jeff L. CD. Darn good stuff!

JB

After 7 Pacific. Can you make it, or will your son freak out? Let me know? Anyone else?

Me Again~~
Hi Robyn~~ What time were you going to be in the live chat tonight? My 16yr old son just about died last night when I told him it was Mom's night to have the computer around 9pm my time. He went to bed mad that he didn't get his way ~~~ Oh well I am the Boss! Regarding the Disney shows this weekend my friend Mary and her sisters will be going to the Sunday show, this is Mary's second time seeing them this summer. I emailed my other friend to see if he would be heading to Disneyland for this but haven't heard back from him yet. He also has seen them about 3 times since May. He has some pics from the Pleasanton Fair shows, but still hasn't sent them to me. I wish I could come to Disney to see them that would be soo much fun.
Hi Robin C~~ Yeah sure go ahead and post what your friend thought about the show, sooo neat that he was going there just because this is your favorite group. I bet he left there a new Fan and will be hookded for sure. I envy Duffy getting to see them again this evening~~ Have Fun Duffy~~ looking forward to hearing your thoughts!
Hi Jeff B ~~ Did you find any more info on Jeff Foskett? Neat that you are planning to catch one of the Cincinnati shows~~ Enjoy! Hey wouldn't that be neat if Jeff Larson were to come there as a guest and do Hat Trick with them!
Hey Red ~~ Great posts! You are too much at times, where do you come up with this info...... Isn't that something that the new show added to the tour is in IOWA, doesn't it kinda make you want to go, what better reason to visit your old stomping grounds! Neat how your quote included these classic lyrics from America Pie, I have sung that songs many a times...... Nice!
Robyn ~~~ Oh yes one more thing ~~~ sooo neat about your radio station dj being an AMERICA fan, I too call my favorite radio station, the lunch time dj is younger than me, but I call and request he play AMERICA shows on the lunch time back to the 70's & 80's show, the first time I talked to him, he said Hey they would never make it today in the music scene, I said I wouldn't be too sure about that, I asked him what albums have you heard of theirs, he said he had History~~Greatest Hits, he said I am mainly familiar with their songs from the early 80's ~~ I told him to check out their earlier work and also told him about Human Nature & Hourglass, and I have talked with him since this and he now is a Fan and plays alot more AMERICA music on his show. The evening DJ is also a fan too of AMERICA's & the Eagles! Nice! I would love to get the both of these to take a listen to Jeff Larson's Fragile Sunrise, maybe just maybe they could get Faraway Mary on their shows~~ Nice for sure! Bye for now, Nancy :)

~~~~~ But Babyyy ~~ whenever you call me I'll be there, whenever you want me I'll be there, whenever you need me I'll be there, I'll be Around~~~ Yeah~~~~ Just call out my name and I'll be there~~~~ :)

As always Steve, thanks for the clarification. I was hoping you were right and they were wrong!
Also driving home last night at the end of "Ventura Highway" the dj sighed "ah America" with more warmth than I have heard from a dj in a long time. She continued "that was the first album I bought...ever" Then she said "they're working on a Christmas album. " That station (Arrow93) has a few America fans working there. I hear a lot of Sister Golden Hair, it seems to be in regular roation. Also, every week they ask "Music Advisors" ( yes I am one) to rate songs on the "love it" or never want to hear it played again" scale. AMerica shows up a lot. Lst week it was "Tin Man"

America and the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra in October ought to be something good to see. Think I might have to head over and check it out...

I used to live somewhat close to Clear Lake when I lived in Red Oak, Iowa. That is where Buddy Holly, the Big Bopper, & Richie Valens met their untimely death flying from Clear Lake. The song "American Pie" by Don McLean is about that day.

But February made me shiver
With every paper I'd deliver
Bad news on the doorstep
I couldn't take one more step
I can't remember if I cried
When I heard about his widowed bride
But something touched me deep inside
The day the music died.

Robyn, I just got a message from Erin at Morey Management and she said the Disney show times are at 5:45pm and 7:45pm. She also told me about a new concert which I'll be adding to the concert list:

11/16/02 Clear Lake, IA / Surf Ballroom

Is anybody near Clear Lake?

I got it now...anyway thank you Robin with an "i" for the information and thank you Robyn with a "y" for straigtening this out.

Name That Virus
Rated R
The AL GORE virus: causes your computer to just keep counting.

The CLINTON virus: gives you a 7-inch hard drive with NO memory.

The BOB DOLE (AKA: VIAGRA) virus: makes a new hard drive out of an old
floppy.

The LEWINSKY virus: sucks all the memory out of your computer, then e- mails
everyone about what it did.

The RONALD REAGAN virus: saves your data, but forgets where it is stored.

The JESSE JACKSON virus: warns you constantly about illegitimate file
reproduction, while illegitimately reproducing files in the background.

The MIKE TYSON virus: quits after two bytes.

The OPRAH WINFREY virus: your 300 MB hard drive shrinks to 100 MB, then
slowly expands to restabilize around 200 MB.

The JACK KEVORKIAN virus: deletes all old files.

The PROZAC virus: totally screws up your RAM, but your processor doesn't
care.

The JOEY BUTTAFUOCO virus: only attacks minor files.

The ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER virus: terminates some files, leaves, but will be
back.

and last but not least ...

The LORENA BOBBITT virus: reformats your hard drive into a 3.5-inch floppy,
then discards it through Windows.

Yes I do know that Steve! everything is subject to change without notice. I hope to see a lot of other people from the folder there as well. Heck to be certain I plan to be there when the gates open!

Robyn, we all know that the concerts are always subject to change so it's very possible that the times have changed from the ones that I posted. The best thing to do would be to check with the information booth at Disneyland the day of the concert to see what time the shows are. It's also possible that they have the times posted at the place where the concert takes place. Enjoy!!

lol..was my fault, think I just signed the post rc so she may not have know the Robin/Robyn difference.. You are after all the #1 Robyn around here...hehehe...lol....
Take Care,
Robin with an "i" ;-)

Hi Nancy,
You will probally have to wait for Duffy's report for complete report as to playlist etc...But I did know someone who went to the concert. He took notes for me, lol,(cell phone deal didn't work out) but we won't talk to this evening.
He did send brief email and said he really enjoyed himself despite the 104 degree temp. He thought it was short, only 90 minutes, lol guess that says he was enjoying it lol...This was his first America concert, and although he is familiar with some of the early stuff, he got to hear more..He is an older gentleman friend (60 yrs old)and he went because he knows they are my favorite group (awwwww isn't that the nicest thing? :-) so I was really more concerned with him enjoying it then anything else..when I talk to him, I'll post his opinion about it if anyone in interested.
Take Care,
Robin C.

Sorry everyone, but family matters have kept me from the live chats of late. Anyone interested in a chat this evening? Let me know.

Am planning on going to the California Adventure shows this week. Disneyland.com lists the times as different from listed.

Anyone know?

Hi Everyone~~
It is kinda quiet here today compared to yesterday!
Hi Jason~~ Nice to hear from you. This is something Bowie using this familiar AMERICA lyric in one of his songs! Hope your work load will lighten up some and allow you to enjoy some of the summer!
Robyn ~~ You sure read some books with intersting Titles! Some of the Live Chat visitors last night were asking where you were.
Regarding last nights chat~~~ Red it was nice talking with You and your Daughter(that was pretty neat!) Nice to see Bones, windwave, alibi(whoever you are)same for you lurker,(nice to know you were a friendly lurker!) SteveD( hope it works out for your new job position, and remember take your wife to a show soon), Nice seeing you again American Girl~~ Keep on discovering and enjoying all of AMERICA's great music~ :)Thanks it was alot of fun chatting with you all!
Hi Duffy~~~ Well I would imagine you are walking around on Cloud 9 this morning. I am looking forward to hearing about the show, and Wow! I guess you will be doing a repeat this evening ~~~ Sooo Nice!
Hi Johnny~~~ I see your point about Dan's songs, I guess it would be fair to give this new Steve guy a shot and Journey, but I think I will just save the money and use it to get my Cayman CD & Holiday Harmony CD~~
Hey DanC ~~~ why didn't you come to the live chat some last night?
Have a good day all! Nancy :)
~~~~ Been a hootowl howling outside my window now bout 6 nights in a row, she's coming for me I knowwwww and on wildfire we are both going to go, we'll be riding wild fireeeee, we'll be riding wild fireeeeee~~~~ Nice :) see yaaaaaaa!

LisaRose, wrong Robyn, the Robin who knew was RC! Confused? Me too!

I was asked about counters and web site statistics earlier this week. I just noticed that the America Fans main home page turned over 400,000 hits today. Of course, it's still not as active as this Chat Folder which is well over 600,000 hits.

Thanks Steve/Robyn/Gerry,
I will keep that in mind. I have been going crazy lately trying to figure out what to get. Worrying about megapixels, optical zoom, etc.
I heard about a fantastic place in Manhattan to go to so I plan on going there in the next few days and I will look up that Canon. Thanks again!

Strange you should ask Jason! Currently at the top of my ever growing reading pile is a book entitled"Kinky Friedman's Guite to Texas Ettiquette or How to get through Heavan or Hell without going through Dallas-Fort Worth" Kinky muses in a chapet dedicated to the Urban cowboy " Whi si this metaphysical masked man? The legendary what's-his-name riding through the desert on a horse with no legs...?"

Kinky uses the same phrase in "Blast from the past"

LisaRose, Gerry wrote back to me and said that he has a Canon Powershot S100 (just as Robin said). His model has been replaced by (first) the S110 & now (he thinks) it's the S200.

Hi Jason ~ Strange Bowie lyrics for sure! I can only assume that the "Marilyn" and "blonde with no brain" references are pertaining to Marilyn Monroe and, of course, most know about her association with the Kennedy Bros.

Most EXCELLENT Duffy!!!

Hi everyone been absent from the chat site due to work. Busy time in London dealing with flooded houses (and it's supposed to be our Summer!). Will catch up soon.

It's come to my attention that a book has just been published by some chap called Colin Bateman called "A HORSE WITH MY NAME" (i think it's a thriller?) and I got to thinking about any other references that AMERICA have influenced in popualr culture.

I know of one other.

There's a song on DAVID BOWIE's 2nd TIN MACHINE II LP " called STATESIDE which has the following chorus:

"Marilyn inflatibles home on the range."
"When living is easy on a horse with no name"
Kennedy convertibles home on the range"
"When the suffering comes easy on a blond with no brain"
"I'm going stateside"
"I'm going stateside"

(Bowie/H. Sales)

Don't ask me what that means.

I'm assuming that the quote "A HORSE WITH NO NAME" was A Dewey original and not borrowed from some other source?

Anybody know of any others.

Jas

Johnny~ I was at the performance.

Duffy~

I think, like most of this, that it comes down to a case-by-case basis.
Dewey can pull off "Everyone I Meet Is from California" just fine, to my ears, but Gerry doing "Don't Cross the River" doesn't work for me.
Generally speaking, I don't want to hear some ex-collaborator sing the best or most beloved songs of his old partners.
It pissed me off to hear Glenn Frey perform "Desperado" on some late-night TV show (even if it did indirectly lead to the thawing of some personal animosity between he and Henley).
And try to imagine, say, Graham Nash doing "Long, Long Time" or "Almost Cut My Hair." Gruesome proposition.
Generally speaking, I say leave 'em alone.

... glad I missed that.

True. But didn't the fans get what they wanted? Who loses if Dan Peek rejoins this band?

Nancy ~ I really see no difference that D&G are singing Dan's America songs compared to Agueri singing Perry's former lead songs. I say this because when Gerry sings "Don't Cross The River," the only original background vocalist is Dewey. When Agueri sings "The Girl Can't Help It" for instance, Jonathan Cain and Neal Schon are present as the original harmonizing vocalists. So really, in my opinion, Journey's sound with Agueri singing a song formerly sung by Perry as lead vocalist, is actually closer to the original sound than America with D or G singing an America song formerly sung by Dan. I hope this makes sense. But as I mentioned, I don't mind either case. :0)

FYI: When Dan went on tour solo in the 1980's, he performed Gerry's and Dewey's songs, like I Need You, Horse, Sister Golden Hair, Sandman, Ventura Highway, Tin Man and others. He sounded great and very familiar to Gerry and Dewey's voice. that's because he was one-third part of the harmony back then. Just my 2 cents worth.

<<Have Steve Perry show and help with Hat Trick should Jackson Browne be unavailable. Oh Sherry on rosemary topping. OOoooooooh.>>

That would be a monstrosity.

-LE

Hi Duffy,
Hey have a great time tonight..My friend Dennis is going to be there too! lol.. and its his very 1st America concert :-) You get to see them well rested so should be a good one..Hopefully he got his hands on a cell phone, and if he did I get to go...LOL..
rc
rc

Have Steve Perry show and help with Hat Trick should Jackson Browne be unavailable. Oh Sherry on rosemary topping. OOoooooooh.

Any way you want it
That's the way you need it
Any way you want it

I vote to keep them. If we can't have him performing, at least a couple of his songs are still present.

That person will never be the same. Look at ACDC, Van Halen, America, and many others. But you must realize that the name of the band still goes on and that's what counts weather you like the new person or not. Just think when Dan Quit and the rest of the guys in America said thats it, no more America. Just my opinon. They will still make great music.

At the risk of flogging a dead horse (no pun intended), let's remember that Journey existed well before Steve Perry, with one Gregg Rolie out front. Some folks liked those early LPs, but they surely diidn't slingshot Journey into the commercial stratosphere. That happened after Steve Perry took over the vocals and the band lost some of its "progressive" pretensions in favor of a more economical, AOR sound. So, what I'm saying is, a lot of folks didn't start getting into Journey until the arrival of the Steve Perry voice and influence. For them, indeed, Steve Perry was and remains Journey.

I really only know/knew of Journey when Perry was with them and afterwards. In other words, not before Perry. I can sincerely appreciate the thoughts of each of you who prefer groups with their original lead vocalist(s). I guess for me, I'm not that "into" Journey like a lot of you may be although I have a number of their releases with Perry as lead vocalist as well as two of Perry's solo works. Agueri sounds identical to Perry to me so that's good enough for me, but as I say, I can understand and appreciate differing views. I would be willing to bet though that if you haven't heard Journey's release "Arrival" with Agueri, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between him and Perry.

Have fun Duffy. And I am thinking about Sunday's shows! Anyone else going?

Have a great time, Duffy!!! Wow, "only" 30 years between the two concerts???

By the way, where did you come across that info for that great triv question about the toga-wearing, spear-throwing Dewey B?

Hi Everyone~~
Wow! I am really enjoying all of these posts today! :)
Regarding Journey without Steve Perry, I have really been into the song "Send Her My Love" lately and no one else will do for me, I just love his voice and I agree Robyn very well said about this other Steve that is with them now.
Sorry Johnny~~ Steve Perry was Journey to me, you have brought up a good point about whether Gerry & Dewey should be singing Dan's songs or not, well the ones of Dan's that they do sing were sung by all three of them so, this is a little different, the sound is still there just missing all of the harmonizing. Granted I liked them better with all three of them singing them, but the songs still sound good with just Gerry & Dewey!
Regarding the Eagles I have always liked them, just not as much as AMERICA so I didn't know as much about the Eagles, in fact I never knew that this Randy Meisner left the group. I just have to say what a loss that would have been if Timothy B never joined the group, and an even greater loss would be not having the great song "I Can't Tell You Why". Sorry Randy I liked the old Eagles, but I like the new Eagles much better!
Hey Red ~~ I really like Foreighner too, have you ever seen them in concert?
I made an Oooooops on my post last night, I said that I agree with Speech regarding how nice the music climaxes on the song Saturn Nights ~~ I meant to say Ladd!
Hi Terry t~~ Hmmm good point about Genesis~~ I liked Peter Gabriel but my preference is Phil Collins, some really good songs came from the time with Him as lead singer on Genesis.
Well gotta go for now, Keep it up with the great posts, I love it!
~~~~Am I in like heaven dreaming or are you really scheming to take my ship away from meeeee, You'd better think about it, I just can't live without i soooo please don't take my ship away from meeeee ~~ Yeah ~~ Yeah ~~ Yeah! ~~~~~ See ya later, ( Live Chat Tonight) Nancy :)

Drop all of Dan's songs if he ain't there to sing them and replace with Jackson Browne singing Hat Trick with Dew & Ger.

Have you heard about the lonesome loser
Beaten by the queen of hearts every time
Have you heard about the lonesome loser
He's a loser, but he still keeps on tryin

With all this heavy discussion going on, I for one am only thinking of tonight’s (Grants Pass Oregon) and tomorrow nights, (Eugene Oregon) concerts. I have tickets for both. Since this is my first live concert since 1972 I am sooooo excited.

Duffy~

Augeri's position isn't unenviable. He gets to write, record and play music onstage with four amazing (legendary) musicians who go out and play with abandon every night. That's a freakin' dream...

-Ladd

I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing "Lonely People" dumped from the current show, as well as "Don't Cross the River," in favor of one more original each (at least) from Dewey and Gerry.

How different is it though that replacement singers like Agueri are singing songs that were originally sung by Perry when compared to Gerry and Dewey singing some songs originally sung by Dan? Perhaps the only difference is that America had three lead vocalists with 2 of the 3 still present. So, should D&G not sing any America songs originally sung by Dan??? It's not any different is it? Food for thought.

Robyn,I couldn't have said it better myself!!!

I haven't seen Journey since Steve Perry left. to me, his is the voice of Journey and no matter how much the new guy looks/sounds/acts like him, he isn't him. The new guy has the unenviable position of being essentially a trained parot, unable to be himself as he tries to capture another singer's elan

If I recall correctly, the drummer for Journey during their "Raised On Radio" tour (and LP) is the same drummer on America's "Alibi" LP...Michael Baird. The bass player for Journey back then was Randy Jackson...the same Randy Jackson who's one of the judges on the hokey "American Idol" show.

<<I think the vasectomy had somethin to do with the fall of the voice as well as the fall of somethin else. Can any singer still hit the high notes anymore, 20 or 30 years later?>>

Yeah, his name is Michael McDonald.

-Ladd

The Doobie Brothers is another band that replaced a major member leaving...Tom Johnston. They kept right on truckin' without him and, very surprisingly, did it incredibly well which is a major understatement.

Talking about Randy Meisner, he left the Eagles the same year Dan left America, I believe. I have 3 of Meisner's solo LPs. Oddly, 2 have the same title, merely, "Randy Meisner". I thought that was quite strange. He had a couple of big hits from his first solo LP, "One More Song". You all may recall the two songs "Heart's On Fire" and "Gotta Get Away," but most likely not. On one of his self-titled LPs, he recorded "Take It To The Limit". Unfortunately, it doesn't have half the passion compared to the way he sung it on the Eagles' LP. Saw Meisner in concert years ago as the opening act for the Beach Boys, I believe it was. He put on quite a show!

Nice lyrical snippet ... now there's a guy who could sing and play some ... Tommy James. (And anyone who thinks the guy was strictly a finger popper should check out the LP "Travelin," among others).

As for this "replacement parts" debate, I think my basic point was, you've gotta be a zealous fan to love it ... and there are plenty of folks to fill the seats for those shows.

I, too, have experienced some bogus reunion acts ... can't fathom The Guess Who without Burton, can't be bothered with Creedence minus John Fogerty or, for that matter, Foreigner minus Lou Gramm or Styx minus the voice of Dennis DeYoung.

However, Gerry and Dewey as America without Dan is pretty swell, and, for those who might not know it, Average White Band and Tower of Power are still compelling live, even without their original lead singers (of course, AWB still has one of them). And although it's getting kind of depressing at this point, folks who've seen them tell me Pete Townsend and Roger Daltry still muster a pretty strong Who performance, even if the original rhythm section is no longer with us.

I think the vasectomy had somethin to do with the fall of the voice as well as the fall of somethin else. Can any singer still hit the high notes anymore, 20 or 30 years later?

Makin a livin the old hard way
Takin and giving day by day
I dig snow and rain and bright sunshine
Draggin the line(draggin the line)

This is a topic that can go either way with People. Steve Augeri is NOT Steve Perry,no matter how "close" he sounds to him. I would be standing there,listening to this guy sing,and knowing darn well its not the original vocalist. Again,this is a personal thing with me. I did see the Journey DVD show with Steve Augeri,and sure,he sounds like Steve Perry,but he's not. The Guess Who without Burton Cummings?
Gees,I had to deal with that twice over the years. I remember the last time the Guess Who played here a few years ago(before the originals reformed)I actually had the "current" lead singer tell me,"Oh,but I'm told I sound just like him". I said,"With all due respect,you are NOT Burton Cummings". I refused to go to that show(just happened to see this singer somewhere)and decided I didn't want to shortchange myself. Foreigner without Lou Gramm? Don't waste your time going. I'm also partial to Dennis Deyoung,so if he's not touring with Styx,I'm not interested. Not trying to ruffle feathers here,because everybody has a different opinion on this stuff. Some will agree with me,some won't and some don't even care. Some bands go through personnell changes with players who are not as recognized as some of the names I'm mentioning. Creedence Clearwater Revisited?
Give me a break! John Fogerty WAS CCR!!! If I want to hear any kind of a CCR show,I'll go see him. I've had to deal with alot of Bogus acts over the years,so this is a topic I get passionate about.

Points well taken ... On paper, I generally dislike the idea of groups reliving past glories 20 years on or touring with "replacement parts." However, the concert experience is largely an emotional one, and rational thought goes out the window when experiencing a band -- or even a vestige of it -- that made a difference in your life. Good example: I once saw a club date by Badfinger, a favorite of mine due in large measure to the writing and voice of the late Pete Ham, with the two surviving members (guitarist Joey Molland and drummer Mike Gibbons).
Obviously, there was no Pete Ham to sing "Baby Blue," or Tommy Evans to give a reading of the hit "Come and Get It." No matter. Being within reach (literally) of two musicians who had sat at the right hand of the Beatles, had collaborated with them creatively, and who had made records that have resonated with me for decades, was still a thrill. And when Molland played verbatim the lead and rhythm licks from such tunes as "Baby Blue" and "No Matter What," his contribution to the Badfinger sound was clear -- and provided one of those spine-tingling, never-forget-it concert moments. From outside, and viewed analytically, it could all be made to sound fairly pathetic: the guitarist and drummer of a once-proud 70s British group trading on its Beatles links, mystique around the suicide of its two most charismatic members and a small catalogue of 25-year-old hits (this was 1989) to pay the mortgage.
In fact, though, the musicianship was first-rate and the show, on its own terms, was superb. Even today, it is one of my fondest live-music-show memories.

<<Journey without Stevo Perry would be like Foreigner without Lou Gramm. Not very enticing to say the least.>>

Oakface, even Foreigner with Lou Gramm is not so enticing these days. Have you seen them live in the last few years. I did, ironically with Journey, and I was sad to see that Lou Gramm's voice is dying. He struggled mightily with all the high, crazy stuff and just sounded like a man who couldn't perform the material anymore. This hurt me, because I consider the man a great rock singer, a legend, and a warrior. On the bright side, Mick blew me away and still has it in spades.

-LE

Anyone who ever through a disc while cranking America on the radio/boombox back in the day is a freakin' King/Queen.

<<SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) -- "Steady" Ed Headrick, the California inventor who figured out a way to make the Frisbee fly fast and straight, has died at the age of 78. His family said his ashes will be made into Frisbees. Headrick died in his sleep early Monday at his home in La Selva Beach, California, his son Ken told the Santa Cruz Sentinel Tuesday. While no services are now planned, Headrick's ashes will be molded into a limited number of "memorial flying discs" which will be distributed to family and friends, and sold to help fund a future Frisbee/disc golf history and memorabilia museum, his son, Ken Headrick, said.>>

Journey without Stevo Perry would be like Foreigner without Lou Gramm. Not very enticing to say the least.

Heh baby, if you're falling down, I know
what's good for you all day
Are you worried what your friends see
And will it ruin your reputation loving me?

Cause I'm a dirty white boy

<<I saw Journey with Steve Perry, and I also saw Journey last year with the new guy. Have to say it was a great show. Could'nt tell the difference. Wish I lived where you are because if that concert is free I would go.>>

I'll second that. I've seen them twice with Steve A. now and they've had great energy onstage, a renewed sense of purpose. The new album, too, is a step up. Sure, there's a bunch of cheesy ballads that can go right to radio, but there's also some really inspired, rocking stuff that really recalled images of OLD Journey for me (even pre-ESCAPE). It seems that the band is really getting along now and it's lit a fire under Cain and Schon (who rules with huge, fiery leads).

-Ladd

Good thought-food, SteveO & Speech... as always.

I was thinking of all the groups like Van Halen and Genesis, too. I recall latching on to Genesis AFTER the key member was replaced by another member, Phil Collins... I guess that was more of a lateral move, though. Not too many groups that had a key member leave without an attempt by the rest to at least try and replace that individual with the closest possible entity to the original (or better) come to mind as catching my interest like the original members would have. Same with groups that didn't feel fit to replace a key member that was no longer with them... but was still living, sane, and not deaf.

Re: SteveO's "...Or how about Ray Manzarek and Robbie Kreiger of the Doors wanting to tour with The Cults Ian Astbury filling the shoes of Jim Morrison? What in the world is that all about?"

Music lovers have collections. Whether it's one or two albums or shelves of paraphernalia and photos, a fan's collection is a loving tribute. Memories are also part of the virtual collection in every fan's mind and heart. The only "items" whose attainment is soley empowered by the members themselves would be the fans' memory of having been there when all the original members were onstage together. All this other stuff we can find somewhere on our own.

Heck, they don't have to do anything but stand there and glare at each other... fill in on Horse, maybe, like other departed ones and newcoomers alike have done in the past. It would at least change the story that some grandchildren will be told. I bet all of us bickering fans could be in the same room/crowd together for 45-90 minutes and survive, which is saying a lot.

I saw a refried Doors tour... the very first post-Morrison, months after his "resignation". It was great at the time, although I never saw them live with Jim.

Some groups still have more options than Ray and Robbie.

P.S. "Groups", including maybe quintets and quartets, have enough members that one of them, no matter how great, was a smaller percentage than, say, a founding trio member (or duo if you want to carry it to where it could go). When getting into smaller numbers, we're talking major dynamics changes when comparing The Everly Brothers with An Everly Brother. When two of three voters decide that one of them is "the odd man out", the trio has become a duo, with the duo members knowingly accepting their new structure... not in my opinion the same thing as a "group" shedding a member. If they don't ever want to become a trio again, I'm still open for enjoying guest performances.

Bye-bye love
Bye-bye happiness...

SteveO ~ I can certainly understand how you feel about not wanting to see Journey without Steve Perry, but as Pete said, Journey with the new Steve is quite incredible and just as powerful, believe it or not. I've never seem Journey in person with either Steve, but I do have a video tape of Journey with Steve #2 from a Vegas performance. It's great!!!

Nancy ~ I remember your writing to me the other day and you mentioned attending a possible Journey concert but was unsure without Steve Perry. Based on the Vegas video, I wouldn't hesitate going if you enjoy Journey's music with Steve #1.

sorry lol hit the wrong button there. And to correct my typo it's Canon, not Cannon....

Hi.
Steve had posted awhile back that Gerry said it is a Cannon powershot S100

rc

Hi.
Steve had posted awhile back that Gerry said it is a Cannon powershot S100

rc

While Randy M would do better justice to Take it to the limit & others, he was an odd man out, similar to you know who. Same way with Felder, no sing, bye-bye. Better to split the money 4 ways instead of 5.

All alone at the end of the evening
and the bright lights have faded to blue,
I was thinking 'bout a woman who might
have loved me,
I never knew.

I saw Journey with Steve Perry, and I also saw Journey last year with the new guy. Have to say it was a great show. Could'nt tell the difference. Wish I lived where you are because if that concert is free I would go.

I thought it was a Canon, pocketsize. Foto's on the run.

LisaRose, I've asked Gerry before what kind of camera he uses but I don't remember the answer. I'll check with him again. I use a Sony Mavica and I get great results with it.

re: "they're better off without him nowawdays"

... it's a matter of taste ... Meisner's "Certain Kind of Fool" from Desperado, "Is It True?" from On the Border and, in particular, "Try and Love Again," were absolutely first-rate songs. And his country-rock pedigree is/was first-rate. If you've devoured everything you can read about the Eagles -- and perhaps you have -- then you know Meisner took a screwing. The usual "musical differences" and group "chemistry" excuses were trotted out, and he certainly helped alienate himself, but the fact is Meisner was integral to the recording of the Eagles' greatest recordings and no "reunion" is complete, from where I sit, without him. I happen to like Timothy B. Schmidt, and "I Can't Tell You Why" is a favorite tune of mine. But I have no illusions. Timothy B. is no Randy Meisner, and The Long Run isn't exactly the collective inspiration of the Hotel California project revisited.

I've gotten on this soap box before regarding bands who lose Key members. Journey is playing at the Upper Peninsula(Michigan)Fair this Saturday,and despite getting Free tickets I am passing on the show.
I don't care if Steve Augeri "sounds" like Steve Perry--HE'S NOT STEVE PERRY! So,I choose not to go--and,I should add that ticket sales have been slow for that show,so much that lots of "freebies" are making the rounds. Hmmm,I wonder why? But you have to remember,I'm a stickler for wanting to see the original singer when possible. With regards to Randy Meisner and the Eagles,any "reunion" should have included him. Who's gonna sing "Take it to the limit" or "Try and Love again" and do it justice? However,as most of the "hits" were done by Henley or Frey,the Eagles will always draw a crowd as long as those 2 are still in the band. I never really heard why Don Felder got the boot,but I'm sure guitar fanatics are tight over that one.
You can make a case for some bands who have continued on without Key members,but in most cases its a ripoff for the fans--unless you just don't care and are intent on having a good time. Last year I heard there was a Reunion slated for Thin Lizzy--without a single original member! Or how about Ray Manzarek and Robbie Kreiger of the Doors wanting to tour with The Cults Ian Astbury filling the shoes of Jim Morrison? What in the world is that all about? Is it REO Speedwagon if
Kevin Cronin isn't singing? Is it Def Leppard without Joe Elliot?
Somebody took me to task last year(not on this site)about my complaints about Foghat touring. Lead singer "Lonesome Dave" Peverett had died,and Rod Price,an original guitarist was gone. I read where a some member from Humble Pie was doing the singing! Yikes!!!!
Whereas some bands have managed to keep changing singers and moving on(Chicago,Van Halen with Sammy Hagar)some haven't(see Van Halen with Gary Cherone). There are many other bands you can include here.

Meisner was with the rest of the gang when they were inducted in to RRHF. His contribution was indelibly superb harmonizing on the early stuff. Take it to the limit was Randy at his finest. They are better without him nowadays.

City girls just seem to find out early
How to open doors with just a smile
A rich old man and she won't have to worry
She'll dress up all in lace and go in style.

... and, apparently, never bothered to seriously consider Randy Meisner. Since Randy was part of the band that, arguably, recorded the group's meisterwork, Hotel California, I considered that a serious blow to the reunion's credibility.

Thanks Steve...this is one of my favorites...so beautiful and clear. Do you know what kind of digital camera Gerry has? I am in the middle of deciding which one to get. Looks like the one he has is of good quality.

Hi Everyone ~~~ Wow! I was just catching up on all of the Posts!
Hi Amy ~~ So Nice To See Your Post!~~ Welcome! You are right about everyone being so passionate about their posts on here, it is great to be able to come and read all the posts and to join in and express our feelings about this great Group we know as AMERICA. It is nice to know that you too have an appreciation for their music too! It was nice talking to you in the live chat. Keep on Posting! :)
Hi SteveL ~~~ Wow just what I needed a new VFTHW pic! Thanks Gerry ~~ This one is kinda different, but nice! Looks like they could use some rain there too the water level looks a little low under this neat bridge. I hope You and Dewey enjoyed your much deserved time off! Guess what song you are singing in my headphones right this moment ~~~ Runaway ~ Nice! My family and I spent the day today at the very Amusement park that I first got to see You and Dewey in the summer of 97 and while we were there I heard them play The Border on the speaker radio and I was smiling for sure~~ Remembering how nice that was getting to see You that day and to hear all of those great songs! I was singing them with you for sure! Thanks! :)
Hi Johnny ~~ Sorry I missed your poster trivia question~~~ interesting about the differences between this poster and the Homecoming album. Same goes for you too Duffy ~~ some really neat questions you have.
Hi DanC~~ I was soo surprised to see your posts when I checked here tonight ~~~ I was wondering if you were ever going to come up for air!!! Nice to see you voted yes to a reunion, I too would love to hear them sing Saturn Nights live, this sure is one great song~~~ I've been waiting every morning, just to help you find your way, I've been standing on your corner, Don't go away , Don't go away, One more song about moving along the highway feel the fantasy in the air~~ Yes Speech I agree with you I just love how this song climaxes~~~ Soooo nice! Just curious DanC ~~ You didn't say who you would like to see as a guest singer to sing Hat Trick with Gerry & Dewey~~~ Hmmm who would you like to see do this? I did get to hear them sing Windwave, I was so surprised to hear them sing this for sure. I am sure You & Your Wife will enjoy the show in Bensenville, Lucky you getting to see them 2 times this summer~~Nice! ~~~Early in the morning when the sun comes up I'm gonna grab a fishing pole & a sleeping bag roll, head out for the land of the dumb but the pretty, I gotta hankering for a windwave, I got it through and through, I gotta hankering for something homemade, its got to be brand new! ~~ Hope you too will get to hear it at the show. Hey school will be starting soon, I guess it is back to the PTA meetings again...... Take care my busy friend! :)
Good Night All! ~~~~~ Nancy :) ~~~ When will I be home from across the sea, when will I ever be freeeee~~~~~ Life goes on, people turning handles making sure we'll be here Tomorrow! ~~~ Oh those magical early days!!!!!! Sooooo nice :)

Gerry is in Grants Pass, OR today. Click here to see the view from his hotel window.

oh I almost forgot. Trio for sure. I mean how else are you ever going to get a chance, no matter how remote, to hear Saturn Nights done live? DanC

At least Don Felder got in on the first Greed Freezes Over tour, Randy (Take It To The Limit, among others) Meisner never got "invited" back for either. What a shame. Hey Johnny, I usually enjoy your posts, be it trivia or whatever, but your constant bitching with Robyn is getting tiresome. Give it a rest huh? Two weeks before America in Bensenville. If there is a chance of you guys reading this please play Windwave as I have not heard this "live" yet. and keep Hangover in the set or my wife is gonna be pissed. Thanks. DanC

<<As far as my actual physical location I would prefer NOT to post it here on the Internet....>>

Robyn, I must address what you posted above yesterday. I never asked you to post your physical location here on the Internet...not that I recall...but your message seems to imply that I requested you to. I wouldn't need you to post it; I know what it is.

Yes, welcome Amy. You are right; we ARE all very passionate about this band, and I imagine you are too! I remember reading the folder for a year or so before I posted, and then being a bit nervous when I first did, thinking my opinions would be of no interest to anyone. But what I soon learned is that everyone's opinions are worthy and whether we agree or not with them, they make for some really interesting reading and comments. Have you done a fan bio yet?

Sure, Henley and Frey buried the hatchet for the "Greed takes over" tour, but they canned Don Felder......

I'm old school as well. I vote for the three. Surely, if Glenn Frey & Don Henley-not mention Buckingham/Nicks can patch it up, these guys can. I've seen them once as a duo and five times as a trio. It's......just weird, not seeing all of them on stage.

Amy, Nice Post, Welcome to the fold.

Johnny, The Toga clad spear thrower was indeed Dewey.

Duffy~

When I said "right tip of Dan's Levi jacket" I meant the right tip of his collar...sorry...that is, if anyone cares. Okay, don't answer that! LOL

(Kim, yes, you played honestly!)

(Duffy, I remember now reading about "We're Revolting" in one of Dan's bio episodes.)

Kim ~ Here's a towel. :0)

Ok - I'm all wet and not very observant. But at least ya'll know I didn't cheat by reading ahead!!!
Kim

Oh, here goes - Henry is right - you can see the outline of Gerry's glasses on the person to Dan's left, and Dewey's wedding ring on the person to his right. Unless of course this is a trick questions and then I'm probably all wet!! lol.

Kim

I think you about said it all, Amy. Along with Webmeister Steve, who provides a full-page soapbox for each and every display of passion, each time, along with answers and links within minutes (even when he sleeps) when someone is wondering something aloud, it's a fun thing. I agree that when The Three read these things, they probably take it as a compliment... whether it's "criticism" from one camp or attempts to defend/shelter/counter from another camp. If they don't, then they should.. at least from anything I may write or have ever written. If we all didn't have passion as listeners, then we'd be wasting our time... and for those of who are accused of having too much time, it's still spent because of that passion. Enjoy!

Wow, Amy. Well written and expressed. Bravo, girl.

Amy, I don't suppose your middle is Erica, is it? For short, it would make you...Am Erica!

I agree with you on all counts. I've not spend a great deal of time on forums devoted to other artists, but I've spent some. This one seems full of uncommon passion for the music and, equally welcome, reciprocal respect among those who post. It's a credit to Dewey, Gerry and Dan, to the web site and, for that matter, to the fans who take part.

Let's see now, born 2 yrs after Horse With No Name, very astute, remarkable insight. You must be a midwesterner. Now, if you were a relative of Hal Lazareff, I would be impressed. Welcome and post often.

I was a little too tall
Could've used a few pounds
Tight pants points hardly reknown
She was a black haired beauty with big dark eyes.

Right-on, Steve!!! Exactly correct what you mentioned about Dewey's wedding ring. PLUS, the button holes on Dan's Levi jacket are on the wrong side in this poster photo. On top of all this, on the inside photo of the "Homecoming" LP, it shows Dan wearing a small US flag pin. It's on the left side of his jacket in the "Homecoming" photo (which is correct); whereas, it appears on his right in the "Hat Trick" poster photo. Also, the right tip of Dan's Levi jacket on the "Homecoming" front photo is turned-up. The turned-up right tip appears to be on his left in the "Hat Trick" poster photo which is not the correct side.

Way to go, Steve!!!

Welcome Amy. What a nice and thoughful posting. Don't be shy!

My guess is that Dan is correct because the picture in the poster is backwards (or reversed or whatever). I surmised this from looking at the wedding ring on Dewey's finger which is on the wrong hand in the photo. But, if you switch the photo around it is on the right hand and Dewey would be on Dan's left. Here's a link to the poster on the America Fans web site.

Hello everyone...this is the first time I have posted, although I have been reading the posts for a while. I have opinions, but usually don't post. Partly because I am younger(born in 1974) and feel a little less qualified because of my "newness". However, I have noticed something over the past couple of weeks that really proves something that I have thought all along.
There have been over the past few weeks, some areas of debate (and I would imagine there will be more areas of debate in the future)...what is so compelling about the differences of opinion and ideas is that everyone holds their beliefs so strongly. I think that this is a testament to the IMPACT that America's music has had over the past three decades. Good music SHOULD insite and inspire us to believe, dream, ponder, and even debate. In this way, all the differences of opinion over reunions and such just goes to show that America is not only one of the greatest bands of our time, but that individually and collectively(whether that be a duo or a trio), they are incredible artists. So I would hope that when and if they ever read these posts that they would know that criticism/compliments are evidence of their artistry.
Likewise, music...rather good music, becomes a part of the listeners soul. In this way, it surprises me very little that everyone has different opinions that they feel strongly about. And as a reader, the posts here are good reading. So I guess my point is to thank everyone who so actively engages in the dialogue with such passion and conviction. It is a tribute to all three men and their music. Good music makes you think and feel...and having this forum for expression...and seeing how frequently it is used...is proof of really exceptional music. Just my observations! Thanks...Amy

HINT: The answer is found in the photo itself (of course).

<<One more song about movin' along the highway = Saturn Nights>>

I was listening to HOMECOMING the other day and it occurred to me that "Saturn Nights" is really an underappreciated America song. It is so powerful, it builds and builds, and such a great closer for that album (they always closed albums right in the first 3). Some great, absolutely hypnotic harmonies in that tune. And great orchestration as the song reaches its climax. That's a Dan Peek tune? Well, it's another notch in his belt--it's a great one.

-LE

While we're all pondering Duffy's second triv question (well, maybe two or three of us), here's something else to try and figure out!

If you still have your "Hat Trick" poster, you may want to pull it out. It's regarding the center photo on the side of the poster that has the numerous photos on it. Let's pretend this situation:

You, me, Henry Diltz (the photographer), and Dan are gathered around a table discussing the center photo...the one with the trio's faces aglow. We don't have the "Hat Trick" poster in front of us, but we're all talking about it. Dan says, "I remember Gerry and I were resting on a rock with Dewey to my left and Gerry to my right." Henry interrupts Dan to say, "No Dan, I distinctly remember Dewey was on your right and Gerry was on your left. After all, I took the photo!" Dan says, "I'm sorry Henry, but you're wrong!"

You and I are very perplexed that both Dan and Henry are so sure the other person is mistaken.

The question: Who is right, Henry or Dan, and how can you prove it???

From the pamphlet:

"America's classic song 'Ventura Highway' was also written by Dewey over in England as a remembrance of California. 'I'll never forget images of sun, surf, and pop-tops!' 'Ventura' was used as a play on words. To Dewey it meant adventure -- are you going to go on an adventure -- which gave the song a double meaning. 'That word was the only one I could remember from that time,' he said. 'We never lived in L.A. around Ventura at all, but I do remember that, from being a kid driving down that road.'"

Again, I'd have to go with Dewey as my answer to Duffy's #2 triv question. It's purely a guess, but based on the fact that Dewey was a member of the Student Council, I tend to believe he was sporting enough to dress in a toga and to put some muscle behind his throw!

Is anyone eles planning on going? I am planning on being there for the Sunday shows.

thanks for the help. yep. without that track, Homecoming, to my ears, does not feel like the same album.

Duffy ~ Great questions! I especially like your Trivia Question #2. I have no idea which of the guys it was, but it's funny!!!

One more song about movin' along the highway = Saturn Nights

Speaking strictly to the "record-making" aspect of the reunion question, I think a reunion would undoubtedly make the band a more attractive commodity for a major label deal. And I think the benefit, creatively, is a reunion's potential for the addition, after all these years of duo releases, of another voice. To my ears, Dan always provided a worthwhile measure of something elusive in America's overall LP presentation -- call it angst, introspection, melancholy, dramatic tension, intensity, whatever -- that has sometimes been missing in the post-trio work. On the other foot, Gerry and Dewey have grown a lot as writers. Still, Dan's (sometimes) tormented soul was a wellspring for a lot of great moments on those trio records -- Never Found the Time, Rainy Day, It's Life, Lonely People, Old Virginia, Tomorrow, etc. (... Can't recall the title of the one on "Homecoming," but it begins with the line "One more song about moving along the highway" and segues into some spine-tingling three-part harmony singing).
So, all other issues and obstacles aside, a reunion one-shot has the potential to be an interesting sonic side road on record (oops, CD ... I'm also old-school), even if it never amounts to any more than that.

Johnny, the answer to the trivia question, who of the trio had appeared in the 1969 High School production “We’re Revolting”. The answer is, all three, Gerry, Dewey, and Dan. This production was just after “the Daze” folded and “Genesis” was not doing much. With all the hours being together rehearsing etc. a bonding may have taken place at this time that led to “AMERICA”. At least it makes you wonder. Trivia #2, Who outfitted in a toga lost his spear when it was thrown too high and became entangled in the overhead wiring?

Duffy

Moser, I don't know the answer to your question but it depends on what you mean by "your website"? This Chat Folder is on one server that resides in California and the America Fans web site is on another server that resides in New Jersey or New York (wherever the King Biscuit people have it). They each have their own hit counter. I noticed that the Chat Folder hit counter is over 2400 today and that's probably close to a record. The counter on the Fans web site is about 370 and that's about average for a Monday. It might have hit 400 or 500 on occasion. I used to get the statistics for the total number of hits on each page on the Fans web site but since King Biscuit changed servers, I haven't been able to get those statistics. Although it is interesting to see how many people hit each of the sites, I don't worry about it too much. If there was even one fan who visited the sites each day, it would be worth it for me to keep them going (but we all know there are many, many more than just one). I hope that answers your question. --Steve Lowry

I'm curious, Steve L., if you know what the record is for hits on your website in one day. If so, please share. I just thought it would be interesting to know. Thanks. PS: I like the new look.

I vote yes to a reunion. America is great as a duo, but to me they will always be Gerry, Dewey & Dan, but then again, I am from the old school, after all I am 45!

"It's an empty, cold arena right in the heart of flat, sprawling Fresno, or 'Fresnoid' as the group calls it. Miles of aisles, a vast hemisphere of concert hall, but onstage it is hot from the intensity of the colored lights and a five-piece band cooking up a storm behind Gerry Beckley and Dewey Bunnell. There is an incredible fusion of energy going on here at this America rehearsal. This is not the mellow sound we have come to expect from the group, but something more, even to the strains of their familiar hits there is an added dimension; duelling guitars, heavy tympani drumming and percussion, sax and vibes solos. Gerry's voice projects crystal-clear, bouncing off the concrete expanses. He sits at the piano, his face luminescent behind the clear-rimmed glasses, trying out a new song called 'Norman,' about a Thirties airstream designer and master-builder. A giant deco airship or zeppelin conceived by this same Norman Bel Geddes is projected onto a backdrop behind the group."

As so often mentioned here, I also believe there won't ever be the three of them back together again. And I think that whatever side of the fence you guys are on regarding this, you all have some quite valid points.I'm wondering though, if, as has been spoken of by G&D, there has been interest by some record companies in doing something should a reunion occur,would that not mean decent promotion by the record company (like big ads in the music papers), "live" drumming etc? Whilst it is to some, a tired old debate, it is, IMO, still a logical point of discussion. At times I wonder, if indeed G&D do read this folder, that they would get the impression I, and others, are less than satisfied with the current situation. As far as Im concerned the duo ARE the best band on earth and the 5 times Ive seen them over the last 18 years have been outstanding! But, you know......

Regarding the trio wanting to record their second LP in a chateau in the South of France, at least we know they had style even early on!

The FANS are not very decisive one way or the other, but they do have there opinions. Many did not say Yes or No. Thanks for the feedback.

Hey Johnny,
A chateau in the South of France???? Should have trusted my heart more than my head then !!! Gen.

Thanks Pat for the straight answer...unlike another's here whose answers remind me a lot of the Abbott and Costello routine of "Who's On First?" as well as what the definition of "is" is! :0)

Vic~ At a recent concert I attended, America performed only 1 song from Human Nature and NOTHING from Hourglass. They have such an extensive catalog of great songs, but it seems to me that they are content with mainly playing just the "hits". And they've been playing them in much the same way as they have been for the past 30 years. I like predictability up to a point, but I also tremendously enjoy it when an artist does something new and different to a song to keep it fresh and exciting for himself as well as the fans. ~Pat


*(I guess some people, including MYSELF, are too damn hard to please!) LOL*

Kewl!!~~~I'll be there!!!~~~Let's go!

:O)

Johnny~ That's a fair question.

I'm a bigger fan of the trio than of the duo.

Dan's Guitar Man contains songs that I absolutely love and others that I absolutely hate. (I'm weird, I know).

I think Dan is a brillant songwriter and musician. I feel that he produces a much better product when he's surrounded by the professional opinions of other musicians, recording engineers, and record producers. ~Pat

<<"...we only have to look at other bad reunions to know what living in the past does for one's soul.">>

Goanna~ I don't necessarily disagree with you, but can you please be more specific? In your opinion, (and/or) in the opinions of the fan's, which reunions have been bad?

Back in 1996, Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons reunited with Ace Frehley and Peter Criss. KISS was the highest grossing concert tour of that year. Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons made 20 million dollars each, while Ace Frehley and Peter Criss made 2 million dollars each. That's not a bad paycheck for wearing make-up and playing Rockn'Roll!!

I saw them at Madison Square Garden (which was sold out) and they were great! The concert's promoters made alot of money, the band made alot of money and the fans were thrilled to have all the original members back! ~Pat

<<"Do you really think that if they were to get back together, they would be able to recapture that special magic they had?">>

Nancy~ That's the 64 thousand dollar question I do not have the answer to. I'm not looking for the "old" magic to happen. I'm looking for "new" magic to happen.

<<"If there is to be a reunion, that would be so great, but it isn't up to anyone but Gerry, Dewey and Dan.">>

I agree to a point. However, don't forget how important the fans are to their careers. No fans means no careers. Show business people know how important it is to give the fans what they want. ~Pat

SteveL~ Please, please, forgive me for taking advantage of the unique opportunity your triva question has provided,.,.,.,.,

"The greatest pleasure in life is doing things people say you can not do." ~Gerry Beckley.

Message to Gerry Beckley;

I say that you (and Dewey) would not be able to reunite with Dan Peek and be successful.


(I probably deserve to be shot for that statement, please take it with a sense of humor.)

Nice parallel to The Big Chill, Speech. It is a favorite movie of mine and that speech by Hurt pretty well sums up Gerry, Dewey and Dan's situation.
In a fantasy world, I would love to see the 3 of them back together. But, I am a realist and know it would never work. I guess that makes a NO vote. One time only at the HOF would be great, though. Of course, America getting inducted is probably fantasy as well, I am afraid.
Finally, regarding higher ticket prices, I don't think the attendance, prices, etc. at America shows would be affected much at all by a reunion. They have generally well attended shows now, and as many of you have pointed out, casual fans have little knowledge of the number of members. I also feel there would be very little publicity regarding a reunion. I love their music so much more than say, the Eagles, but they are not in the same league with the Eagles (or many other bands) in popularity. A reunion tour would not be packing 10,000+ seat arenas, no matter how much it might deserve it. Take care all, Brad

Ooo that's right. Thank you very much....we'll do that!!!

If you go be sure to get everyone there to sing Happy Birthday to Gerry.

Hi all,

Our station in Amarillo is hosting a two day September 11 tribute with a two night event...the second night, Thursday September 12 will top of with AMERICA in concert. If your in or near Texas, we would to celebrate the night with America fans. I first saw them July 4, 1974 in El Paso. What a night this will be, celebrating our country's freedom...with the perfect band for the night!!!!

Unlike the small town you live in, there are many communities within the City of Los Angeles, so Sun Valley is not a town or city per se. it is an area located in a VERY LARGE town. I still live in the area known as Sun Valley. As far as my actual physical location I would prefer NOT to post it here on the Internet and would appreciate it if you did not.

The 1969 Central High yearbook featured quotes from all of the graduating seniors. Match the following statements with the correct author (Dan, Dewey, or Gerry):

1. The greatest pleasure in life is doing things people say you cannot do.

2. He who does not love wine, women, and song, remains a fool his whole life long.

3. I have never let schooling interfere with my education.

See, I told you it was easy. For those of you who don't know and want to go straight to the answer, just click on this link.

Oooooooookaaaaay. Your heart is no doubt with the Great City of Los Angeles. So please help me understand this. Are you saying you don't currently LIVE in the community of Sun Vally even though that's where I returned the bookmarks to that you gave me over a year ago...to a physical street address in Sun Valley and not a postal box?

...saw on the Jeffrey Foskett site that a 3 song Cd has been released in Hawaii. Does anyone have info as to how or where to order this Cd? If memory serves me right one of the 3 songs is "Honolulu city lights"...a nice song that "The Carpenters" covered many years ago.

Jeff B.

My "hometown" is Los Angeles. Sun Valley is a postal designation.

Duffy, so what was the answer to your triv question?

The former trio's high school yearbook (Sr. Year) is viewable on the net at: www.londoncentral.org/yearbks/69londoner1.htm

I hope I typed that correctly.

Thanks to all who submitted an answer!

Here's what the pamphlet says:

"Back in England, America made plans for a second album to be cut in A CHATEAU IN THE SOUTH OF FRANCE. A few months passed, and a tour extending into Japan was mapped out. But a mishap befell Dan."

Oh, I thought when you said "hometown" you meant the town where your home's located.

Jonny, I guess B) Trident Sound Studios in England. Also in a posting of yours you reference looking at Dewey's year book, How did that come about?

Actually, Ias of November, I will live in VAlley City (roflmho--local joke for anyone who knows about the Sucession movement out here.) I don't know WHERE Gerry lives. I just know he is not at my door borrowing a cup of sugar. He's an Angeleno like me though.

Please reveal. Thanks for asking.

<<Ladd, did you ever see the guys as a trio or are you going off of the Musikladen video? I never saw them as a trio and I only have the Musikladen video to guide me here, but I though the energy on that video was lacking - the music and the songs are great, but I couldn't tell if they were bored, scared, tired, unsure of the format or what. There didn't seem much smiling or enjoyment in the whole process.>>

I've only seen the trio on MusikLaden Kim, but I disagree with you about the energy. Yeah, they weren't smiling, but who cares (I'll get to that in a sec)? As for the energy, I couldn't disagree with you more. They rocked the living you know what out of every song they played in that show, with perhaps the exception of "Ventura Highway" (a tentative start, probably because at that point they thought they would be able to retape bad takes). Smiling is for happy rock. America's music feeds off sombre, melancholy tones. There is a TON of spirit and love in it, but there is also a palpable sense of pain, like a child losing innocence. Every Gerry's songs have a sad undercurrent to them--like he wants to connect but never quite can. I saw way too much of a glib attitude when I saw the guys live last month. I wanted intensity. I wanted seriousness. Trying to play these tunes and make it a big Happyfest to me is self-defeating. Be happy between tunes, but be utter musicians when you play them and convey the true feeling that made them great songs.

And look closer at MusikLaden. Watch Dewey during the big jams, hunkered over this guitar almost like a metal musician, glaring at his bandmates. I love that body language--that's when you know a guy is feeling every chord and getting charged watching his bandmates rip on lead guitar. There's also a piano solo by Dan (I believe at the end of "Rainbow Song") that is utterly explosive and his hands are flying (and the rest of the band is just jamming their faces off)! And how about the tandem guitar lead by Dan and Gerry during "Green Monkey"? Watch the tape again! Smiles are for Britney Spears. Focused intensity is for America, and that show was a textbook.

<<Whereas if you've seen the Ohne filter video from 1999 I much prefer to watch Gerry & Dewey smiling and interacting w/ the band and the audience.>>

Between songs, cool. During songs, not my cup of tea. Fogelberg is a good example here. When he plays, the song is everything, it's art. He does not smile, giggle, whatever until the number closes--and that's the way to do it with this type of music, IMO.

<<I do agree you with regarding Dewey's guitar playing on the Musikladen video. He definitely played a lot more on that then he does on the Ohne Filter DVD. But could it be because almost all of the songs on the Musik dvd were Dewey's?>>

He's not playing as much guitar on his own songs now as he used to. As I've said before, watch his right hand on MusikLaden. It's going the WHOLE time, chopping up big rhythms on his tunes. The arrangements have changed, I believe a lot of the rhythm burden is no on Gerry's and Woods' shoulders. Dewey wouldn't be the first or last vocalist to reduce his playing burden onstage, and we know from his own quotes that that end of things isn't what intrigues him to begin with.

-Ladd

"Oh, there is are!"???? Oh, there YOU are, rather!

Oh, there is are! I was composing my message and didn't know you had posted a message yourself. Please let me know whether or not you're interested in answering the triv. If not, I'll reveal the answer, thanks.

Thanks Kim for playing! No other brave souls wanna take a stab at it, huh???

I'll reveal the answer soon, but I want to give everyone who's interested in playing a chance to answer first.

Hey Robyn, where are you? It can't get any easier than this. You use to love to play America triv.

Regarding the often discussed reunion, I would vote a reluctant no. The reasons?
Would it be the same? No. I was fortunate enough to see both incarnations, but that was 25 plus years ago. They are different men then they were back then and the playing styles have changed a bit, I am certain. What about Woodsy, who stepped so capably into Dan's shoes when he departed? That would increase the guitars to four, not three. Again, a different sound and not the one nostalgia buffs are looking for. I believe Dan's voice has changed substantially. In listening to Guitar Man, I feel there is a great difference in Dan's voice, not bad just different. I may anger a few people here, but Tom Wolfe is right, you can't go home again. I don't think a reunion will or should happen.


BTW a BEATLES reunion would be EARTHSHAKING NEWS, as two of them have passed

<<And, of course, there are those hair-raising three-part harmonies, with Dan way up in the ether.>>

I like that, Speech. How true!

I've heard a couple of bootleg recordings of some America concerts from around 1974 and 1975. What I noticed right away was the onstage banter. It was predominately Dan who did most of the talking between songs from what I gathered. I would say that it was Gerry next who spoke the most. I noticed how few times I'd hear Dewey talk. I don't know what all this means, but maybe it's evidence of the trio's dynamics???

It's very interesting to discuss the possibilities of an America reunion, but I'm quite sure it drives Dewey and Gerry crazy, and they're probably very sick of the topic. I heard from a reliable source who heard it from a very reliable source (sure, right?) that a reunion will NEVER happen. So, we're just spinnin' our wheels for nothin'. It's a fun topic, but I do believe it will never occur just as the sources say.

Well, I thought I'd chime in with my two cents on Dan coming back. I for one would love to see them all three together again, but don't believe it will ever happen. I have been a fan since '72 and from the beginning I was always drawn more to Gerry's songs, then Dewey's and finally Dan's. I think what I miss most from Dan's absence is his harmonizing and singing w/ Gerry & Dewey. There has always been something magical to me when those three sang together. I saw my first America concert last year and while I loved it (and have seen two more since and will continue to go to as many as I can get to) it did take me a while to get used to the difference in the sound of some of the songs. I do believe it was because Dan's harmonies were missing.

Ladd said "The group desperately needs Dan's musicianship back to make the shows more lively, more passionate, to get some of that competition going between Gerry and Dan that to me was really the catalyst for the group's excellence on stage."

Ladd, did you ever see the guys as a trio or are you going off of the Musikladen video? I never saw them as a trio and I only have the Musikladen video to guide me here, but I though the energy on that video was lacking - the music and the songs are great, but I couldn't tell if they were bored, scared, tired, unsure of the format or what. There didn't seem much smiling or enjoyment in the whole process. Whereas if you've seen the Ohne filter video from 1999 I much prefer to watch Gerry & Dewey smiling and interacting w/ the band and the audience.

I do agree you with regarding Dewey's guitar playing on the Musikladen video. He definitely played a lot more on that then he does on the Ohne Filter DVD. But could it be because almost all of the songs on the Musik dvd were Dewey's?
Kim

I vote yes, which is kinda strange. I have never attended my high school reunion (Class of '75), and I never would, although I basically enjoyed the experince, played sports and had friends. I do no college-related alumni stuff, and I tend to detest the alumni publications that arrive in the mail rife with photos and articles featuring folks who seem to feel a need to tell their fellow alumni, "Look at me now." So, why do I feel like it's only right that Dan rejoin Dewey and Gerry? I think it's mostly because I want a certain collective creative energy to spark again (even if some of the spark contains a whiff of tension). And, of course, there are those hair-raising three-part harmonies, with Dan way up in the ether. But, really, in my gut, I can understand why Dewey and Gerry might not have the belly for a reunion. I am reminded of the pivotal "living room" scene in the movie The Big Chill, where William Hurt's character, Nick, admonishes his one-time college soul mates that, in reality, "you know nothing about me" and that their entire relationship was one of convenience -- based on having been thrown into each others' orbit "for a short period of time ... a long time ago." In one sense, these three guys grew up together. And they created magic "for a short period of time a long time ago." But I can see how it might be draining and difficult to try re-conjuring that magic some 25 years on.

Ok, Johnny - I'll play! My guess is Germany -- for no other reason than that I think I read it somewhere.

Kim

I read Dewey's quotes about Dan coming back and I agree that none of his reasons seem to be particularly good. But I really think he's just trying to be nice about it and say something other than "it wouldn't work in terms of the personalities." I mean, even listening back to clips of interviews in the 70s, I could hear tension between Dan and Dewey. It gave me the feeling that Dan was probably very tough to deal with at times, and we all know of course that he was in a very bad place emotionally before he left the band. Can't we safely say that by the time he left the working relationship between him and his bandmates was pretty much kaput?

Also, how big is Dan still on the whole Jesus thing? This is something that can be divisive and make others extremely uncomfortable. Gerry and Dewey are more personally spiritual--do they really want to deal with that whole kick?

Now, no one wants to see Dan come back more than me. And everyone is right when they say it would be just for us fans--no one else would have any freakin' idea. The group desperately needs Dan's musicianship back to make the shows more lively, more passionate, to get some of that competition going between Gerry and Dan that to me was really the catalyst for the group's excellence on stage. But, if the personality mix is wrong, it could work just the other way and dispirit everyone.

Obviously, though, Dan has nothing to lose and everything to gain. That's probably why he's eager to do it in absence of a foundation to do so.

-LE

Kevin,

I think you're wrong, about a Beatle's reunion, that is. That would get everyone's attention.

There's glamor and dementia
A message from the tomb
Staircase to the heavens
And secrets of the the room

<<...no way even a Beatles reunion would get any airplay, unless one of the guys had a boob job....>>

Sounds like a booby trap to me, Kev! :0)

Pat,

I'm all for a reunion, if its agreeable to all three. Maybe I should say, if its agreeable to all seven, but Pat, how can you refer to Dewey and Gerry as a "shameful greatest-hits show". Forgive me, but I had to ask.

I like the new look folder too. Nice to see Dan in the line-up!

You are right Moser. I would say that 98% of the people that go to an America show could care less if there was only one guy or a hundred singing the hits from the early days.
I'm going to hang outside the local supermarket on Monday and poll people as to see if they want to see a reunion tour with all three members back together. I'll give you the results tomorrow night.

Been gone for three days and they up and change the look of the Chat Folder on me. I think it's great.

I'm not sure if Dan's return now would matter to many people in the radio business. Just give a listen to Top 40 radio for ten minutes and you'd know that there's no way even a Beatles reunion would get any airplay, unless one of the guys had a boob job and wore his top unbuttoned.

KevinS.

Nancy:
I said, <<I think the majority of the people who go to see America right now as a duo don't even know that they were once a trio nor care.>>
You disagreed. Well I disagree too because I wrote that wrong. I didn't mean to imply that most people only knew America since it was a duo. What I meant to write was that most people don't know enough about the band to know that it was a trio then a duo. They just aren't aware of the band members at all. Instead they are aware of the music that they remember and love. They go to the shows to hear the music--not to see who's in the band. That's what I meant to say although I didn't do it very well, did I?
Secondly, you are too kind. No need to apologize. It takes more than that to make me uncomfortable. I could have chosen not to answer your question if I was uncomfortable, right?

<<Moser, Dan didn't 'leave' AMERICA, he was pushed (as his bio tells us).>>
I will have to admit that I have not read his entire bio. Mostly because it is way too verbose to keep my interest. I would like to point out that it is not surprising to me that he would characterize his departure that way. Of course he would. Every story, however, has two sides. Whenever my kids get into it, it's always the other one's fault. Do you know what I mean? Dan saying he was pushed out is clearly his perception of what happened. I doubt that any of us would ever know the whole story. Besides, it's ancient history now.

Meeee Again~~
Thanks Moser ~~ Nothing wrong with your opinion on this,I am sure there are many people who feel the same way as you do. You do bring up some good points for your reason. I guess my reason for voting yes for a reunion would be because I have been a fan of theirs from the very beginning, and just recalling the Homecoming album, brings out this want for that magic again, and I guess I would be curious to see if it would be there if they were to have a reunion. Yes it is sooo true that the music scene is much different now then back in 72, and they each have changed also. I do have to disagree with you about there being more people that just know AMERICA as a duo, there is quite a bit of History that goes with the trio and I am sure this would come to play in more people knowing them as a trio. I hope by me asking you why you voted no, I didn't make you uncomfortable, that was not my intention at all.
Hey Red ~~~ Ooooops I am sorry about saying Mark finished 15th, I was just going by heresay from my son, I should have checked to make sure....Mark is sure doing good this year, it would be nice to see him to be the point leader. Yes I know Rusty was wayyyyy back there, Oh well he is still my Honey he will do better next week. About the corn, it was yellow & white, I think they call it bread & butter sweet corn, and yes I made it just right~~it was so soft and juicy it melted right in my mouth..... Oooops that was mean of me, there I go again making your mouth water! No tomatoes ripe here yet, but my brother in law gave us some of his, tomatoes & homemade bread sure do make for some good sandwiches~~ for sure!
Hi Gen! :)
~~~~Me and you and a dog named Boo traveling and a living off the land, Me and you and a dog named Boo, how I love being a free man.I can still recall the wheat fields of St. Paul, and the morning we got caught robbing an old farm hen~~~~~ Wow that's an old one!
See ya, Nancy :)

<<Do you mean before or after they switched mangagement?>>

Gen, it would be BEFORE.

Moser, Dan didn't 'leave' AMERICA, he was pushed (as his bio tells us). At the end of the day it's the sound that counts, and Dewey's and Gerry's songs sound better with Dan's vocals included. I vote YES.(naturally).

Hi everyone !

Love the web page new look!

Hey Johnny,
<<According to the pamphlet, while back in England, America made plans for a second album to be cut where?>>

Do you mean before or after they switched management?
Of course,my heart would go to :
C) In a chateau in the South of France
but my head doesn't seem to agree!!!
I don't think B can be the correct answer either ( Trident Studios is where they recorded Horse, isn't it?) .
Well that leaves me with three possibilities : A, D & E. But Germany would be a surprising answer, really!
So, maybe E is correct but then the question would remain an unsolved puzzle : where did they plan to record the 2nd album if not in L.A.? Let us know, please - Gen.

I started to listen to America after Dan's departure but before Silent Letter. I bought most of the albums, played them to death, then wished for more. When Silent Letter came out I was disappointed to see that Dan was gone and figured that the music couldn't be as good without him. I was shocked to find that I loved it just as much. Perhaps that timing would explain why I don't treasure Dan's contribution. I'm not sure. I like Gerry's songs the best, then Dewey's, then Dan's least of all. Perhaps that is why. I'm not sure.
I don't think his return at this point would guarantee a huge new interest in America. In fact, the opposite might occur. Who's to say? If he returned with a big fanfare and then it was a flop, that would be down right embarrassing--for him especially. I think the musical landscape is so utterly different in 2002 from what it was in 1972, that Dan's return would be novel but not earthshaking to the general public. I think the majority of the people who go to see America right now as a duo don't even know that they were once a trio nor care. So, what would Dan's return accomplish? An increase in ticket prices as someone else mentioned. Or perhaps a blip in the media regarding their reunion and then nothing. I don't see the advantage, that's all.
None of this may sound logical and I'm sure that it will get picked apart point by minute point on the chat folder. That is why I did not initially say why, I merely voted no. But it doesn't have to be logical. It's a gut feeling--I just don't care for Dan's musical contribution.
And finally, the sour grapes if you want to call it that. He left. Dewey and Gerry stayed together through all of it. I say, don't let the screen door hit you on the way out!!

Nancy, you make my mouth water!!!! Was that corn yellow or white? Doen't really matter as long as it was made right. Mark was actually 10th today. Rust was wayyyyyyy back. When are the tomatoes ripe? Certainly miss those days in Iowa for tomatoes & corn. Carry on.

I'm pickin up good vibrations, she's givin me excitations

Hi Johnny ~~~
I guess the answer would be letter A ~~~ why you might say, well it only makes sense the name of their second album is Homecoming and they came back to the States to Calif. to make it ~~~ sooooo that would be at the Warner Bros. studio in Calif!
Hey Red~~~Guess what was a part of our dinner here today ~~~ give up ~~ some of that sweeeeet corn picked fresh from the corn field right here by my house here in Pa! It was oooooh soooo gooood!~~~~Yes ~Yes ~ Yes ~~~ Tony Stewart won the Nascar race~~~He sure has had one heck of a week, his assertiveness sure gets him into alot of trouble~~~ Maybe next week will be your turn Rusty! ~~ Mark didn't do too bad finishing in 15th place....
~~~~~I think its called a lesson learned, when one so close suddenly turns, Leaves you standing on your own ~~ got no place to call your home, So I think you better stop this foolin round (Tony!)~~~~
What a mixture ~~Nascar & AMERICA's Music ~~~Lots of fun for sure!
I know get out of here Nancy !!!!!!

Anyone care to play? LisaRose, Nancy, Robyn, Vic, anyone???

According to the pamphlet, while back in England, America made plans for a second album to be cut where?

A) In a Warner Bros. studio in California

B) Trident Sound Studios in England

C) In a chateau in the South of France (Hi Gen!)

D) In Germany where they were so warmly received during their 1st tour.

E) None of the above


(Vic, that was an interesting question of yours, but I don't have a clue as to the answer other than maybe something to do with Dan and Gerry and their personal relationship?)

Hi Moser~~
Just wondering what is your reason for saying No? ~~ Nancy

pat b....you're preaching to the choir. i too would love do see a reunion, just don't think it'll happen.
pat b post #23422...america WAS gerry beckley, dewey bunnell, & dan peek. america IS gerry beckley & dewey bunnell.
mike b post #23437...if we had a reunion vote, i can't imagine anyone casting a negative vote.

Me Again~~
This is one of my most favorite Albums of theirs~~I always loved the layout of this Album, spent lots of times listening to these great songs on here and just looking at the whole cover.... Vic ~~ You wanted to know if anyone see's an impression of the Guys here on this ~~~ Well when I look at this cover I get the impression that they knew they were on a determined path, one that they were putting their all into. I love how it looks like they are atop a mountain and next to the beautiful sunrise. I think they were glad to be back here in the States and were ready for the success that was to come their way. Alot of great songs on this album, lots of truthful messages within them. I think they really knew what they wanted at this time, and were going for it, and having some fun along the way... I just love Dan's pic on the folded inside part, soooo much life in his expression, smile and eyes ~~ Nice, They all have that look in their eyes, it is the look of determination, and the drive that brought them success. I love the lyrics you quoted Johnny! I think the overall cover captures the wide variety of their music too. This is what I have always loved about them right from the start ~~ Thanks, Gerry, Dewey & Dan ~~~ Soooo Nice!
~~~~~ I can't recall just how it used to be voices across the sea ~~~will she come to me, to keep me company, won't know till the sun comes up again, gotta take the good with the bad, sometimes I wish I never had my say, it always goes that way, or is it just the way I feel today, voices across the wayyyyyy~~~~~ Wow! This album just speaks volumns for sure! Soooo Nice!
My AMERICA songs are playing here today ~~~~~ Nancy :)

I vote no.

Nancy,

I agree. Based on their hair styles, facial hair,(or lack of it as always in Gerry's case), and the little bit of Dan's and Gerry's denim jackets that can be seen, I'd agree that it was taken at about the same time the "Homecoming" album cover was. One more point, on the "Homecoming" album cover. I'll pose it as a question. In looking at the cover of the "Homecoming" album, in view of what we know about the trio, does anyone get any kind of an impression, just looking at the guys.

...and the photo on the new header, here are some more words from the pamphlet:

"'Homecoming' was also significant because it was the start of America's continuing use of stunning visual artwork for the album covers which in someway would relate to the music on the record. In this case they were depicted standing in the foreground of a neon Californian sunset, with horses and hills on one side and a misty cityscape on the other. It was a gate-fold cover, three panels to each side. The inside three panels made up an elongated continuous photograph of Gerry, Dewey, and Dan sitting under a forest of enormous redwood trees, near Big Sur. Gerry explained the concept: 'The idea was like 'Close Encounters' many years ago! We were going to be standing in the middle of the road, and then it folded out and on either side; one side would represent the ocean, all the folling hills, and the other side was going to represent the cities, the smoke and stuff. We were going to be right in the middle of this with the sun setting over it all, and it would be us as bond between the cities and the country. We were getting really, cosmically into defining how great it was going to be!'

I been down to the water
I've been on top of the world
Somebody should come and see me
Somebody should give me the word".

Hi Vic~
By the looks of this newe header Pic I think it had to be about the same time as the Homecoming album came out, there is a similarity to the Homecoming cover Pic.
~~~~ Love me with your head & heart, love me from the place it starts, love me with your head & heart, love me like a child~~~~ My favorite song off of here for sure~~~~ See ya, Nancy :)

Johnny,

I like the new look also. I'm sure it has been approved by Dewey and Gerry, although I wouldn't think that it would need to be. Looking at the picture of the three, I'd say it was taken on the same day, at about the same time, as what other familiar pic of the trio? Anybody!

Maybe Janet could get brother Mikey to sing the third part in Hat Trick. He should be available. Just a thot.

Driving along in my automobile

Good Morning All!
Hi Mike ~~~ I vote YES also!
Hi Red ~~~ Hmmm Let me see, maybe there is a way to contact A&E and to request for this to happen ~~~ Hmmmm ~~ Will have to check it out!

<<Soft-spoken and intense, Dewey thinks hard before he tries to elucidate; 'Gerry works really hard, he's a musician all the way round.'" >> Wow! this sure is a nice way to sum the both of them up for sure! :)

Hi Alan ~~WoW~~ Janet Jackson joining Gerry & Dewey! This would be something for sure. The Ventura Hwy music did add a nice touch to her song "Someone to call my Lover" & She does have a nice voice! Yes this would work!~~~~ That sure was an interesting mix of music you played driving down the highway!

Enjoy your day! Nancy :)~~~~Maybe we'll meet in a bar,Maybe he'll drive a funky car~~Maybe we'll fall deeply in love~~Maybe~~~~~

I vote yes for a reunion. I believe that a reunion would allow the guys to scale down the number of concerts they do each year. They could do more with less. Gone would be the freebie concerts, but if you want to see something bad enough, you'll find a way. Tne next 10 years on the concert trail would be better with 3, than with 2. Plu, we might get some new music with the old fire from yesteryear.

I found my thrill, on Blueberry Hill

Yes, I agree that Dan would cash in some more. I don’t believe it would be at the Duo’s expense. The Duo would cash in with HAPPY FANS and just maybe a top 40 hit? This Fan would definitely be cashing in. FANS - are the reason for a reunion. The Duo has kept America alive with a great Fan base. Dan is already cashing in with Highway and the Complete Greatest hits. It would be a win-win situation for all of us.

If the fans really want a reunion, maybe G & D would make it happen. But I sense, and maybe G&D sense that some FANS don't want a reunion. I’ve had mixed feelings at times. I would hate to see my access to America Concerts go from $20 to over $100 a concert. Would it be worth it? The battle of the Bands is at work again. It brought America together with Daze. Let's have an official reunion vote that can be tallied. Any takers?

I vote - Yes.

two very different personalities, but somehow each one adds to the strength of the other and it is their dual energies which make the music of America what it is today. The fact that they are both prolific and efficient songwriters, approaching their craft from opposite ends of the spectrum shapes the group's creativity.

There are differences between Dewey and Gerry. Gerry is rather 'McCartneyish' in the way that he's always at it, playing the piano and composing. Dewey can go a week or more without picking up his guitar, and then it's usually a physical thing because his hands want to play.

Soft-spoken and intense, Dewey thinks hard before he tries to elucidate; 'Gerry works really hard, he's a musician all the way round.'"

(elucidate = to make clear usually by explanation. Had to look that one up...jy)

She was a longggggggg, coolllllllll woman in a black dress

A pair of 45's will always open one's eyes ...............

Tim

Unusual trio of CD's that made my long distance driving at night a pleasure-Bruce Springsteen's:The Rising-Janet Jackson's:Design of the Decade-America-History -America's Greatest Hits.Since Janet Jackson did such great versions of a Gerry Beckley-like-song(Let's Wait A While)and Dewey Bunnell's Ventura Highway maybe she could replace Dan Peek?Can you picture the three of them on the cover of a CD?That would shake up the America Chat Folder!

Pat,
The next time Dan plays at the Mohegan Sun or any where in Conneticut, I'll pick you up and we'll go see him.

Hi Pat ~ I've always enjoyed reading your posts, and I still do! I'm quite surprised that you're so eager for a reunion though. I guess I'm surprised because (if I remember correctly) your review of Dan's "Guitar Man" was quite harsh. So, why would you feel a reunion would be good if you feel/felt the way you did about "Guitar Man"?

Hi,

there have been some great posts lately,,, but I'd like to throw in a few toughts...

A reunion with Dan Peek ---- I don't think so.... whilst it's true that the bands greatest successes were with Dan Peek, I beleive it would be a retrograde move. Sure, it's been a long while since the band had top 10 billing, but that's the nature of the beast in the music industry. And I don't think that a "Dan Peek" reunion would serve all that much of a purpose, except for us die-hard fans. I'd have to disagree strongly with your highlighted comment Pat - "COURAGE",,, I think D&G have all the courage in the world, they also have the drive, effort and energy as well... maybe not as they were in the 70's & 80's but eh, were in 2002' now, I don't see many other bands from their era doing what they do! I'd agree with Dewey's comments about a reunion being perceived like a "cash in" it's just not there style I don't think...
I also believe that there poor exposure in the market place has kept them in the background. For whatever reason, the new albums that are produced are just not promoted strong enough on a global scale. If we're taliking about the successes of the band in toto, then they have succeded. They really don't need a reunion, or are we talking about a reunion that would seem to "be a nice thing to do"... that's also not D&G I feel. So,,,, what's the purpose? Would it be a permanent change? does the band as we know it now need any further enhancement? - if the guys are happy with the status quo now, then your answer to the whole issue is NO. ------ It's a bit like having a relationship with someone, being best buddys, having a seperation & then 20 years later asking them to move back in and expecting that things will work themselves out.... it just doesn't happen people...

If, I'm correct and reading between the lines, then the issues are more related more to one's "Harking back" to the success of the band in the early years. If that success is required by both fans and band members, then lets look at the marketing and promotional aspects of the band as a means of enhancing the group as a whole... we only have to look at other "Bad" reunions to know what living in the past does for ones soul.

That would be a black dress............

Right on Nancy!!!!!!!!!!!
Reunite the 3 on A & E Live by Request and let the fans decide.
Let's see, how can we make this happen?

She was a longggggggg, coolllllllll woman in a balck dress

Ouch Moser City. I have made amends with RC about Cleveland and think only the best of Clevelanders(except for the idiots in the Dog Pond at Browns football games). Looking at the roster for Taste of Cleveland, I find it to a hugely exciting proposition.

How much is that doggie in the window,
The one with the waggily tail

Hi Me Again~~
Hi Pat ~~ I have been reading your posts and they are interesting for sure! I would love to see a reunion between the 3 of them, but the Point that is to be made here is this What We their Fans Want or is it Truly What the 3 Of Them Want? This is the question! Do You really think that if they were to get together ~~ They Would be able to recapture that special magic they had? Would this be Fair of Us to Expect this of Them? Again the only way this would work ~~ Would be if All 3 of Them truly wanted this. One thing we have to remember this interview was from 4 years ago, alot has happened since then. They have continued to grow in their music, each of them. Dan is doing quite well and even working on Guitar Man 2. It is sooo nice to have his music. Gerry & Dewey too continue with their music, I am sooo looking forward to the release of the Live Cayman CD and the Christmas Holiday Harmony CD. In away we do still have all 3 of them, just not the way we want them. Sooo in the future if there is to be a Reunion that would be soooo great, but it isn't up to anyone but Gerry, Dewey & Dan, and we as Fans have to respect their decision on this. We can voice our opinions ~~Sure we can! Just like it was brought up about A&E having a Live by Request Show with them, it is my opinion that this would be a great way for them to have a reunion of some sorts, it wouldn't be pressing, it would just be a taste to see if they may want to consider this. I know we the Fans would take whatever we could get~~ Right? I guess I have gone on enough now!

~~~~ Searching trying to find an answer, Why I'm in this situation I've been sailing close to the wind~~~trying to keep my head above water without you~~ I've been saling close to the wind ~~Everyday it just gets harder~~But you're all I need to survive~~ Sooo nice!
Bye for now, Nancy :)

After following the link on the America Fans page regarding the Aug. 30th concert at the Taste of Cleveland, I've found out that it will be one heck of a double bill show. America is sandwiched between two performances of Donnie Iris and the Cruisers. If you are not familiar with Donnie, perhaps you will remember two of his hits from the 80's: Ah, Leah! and Love is Like a Rock. Donnie is a native son of nearby Pittsburgh, PA (my hometown area too) where he is a regular rock god. Even if you are not aware of his music, you will surely enjoy one of his shows. So, if you live anywhere near Cleveland, get thyself to this Aug. 30th show featuring two great bands--Donnie and our boys, Gerry and Dewey. (Sorry, Red Oak. I know how you feel about Cleveland but it's gonna be a great show.) And if you get there, think of me fondly because I can't go---ARRRRGGGGHHH!!!!

Dewey said: "...we didn't want to undermine what we have done for 21 years.."

And what have they done?

They have proven that they were able to succeed as a duo. Good for them. However; how successful have they been since they've been a duo? Their biggest selling albums are the ones they did with Dan. They also had more "hits" when Dan was in the group too.

"...we just felt like it was a lose-lose for me and Gerry and Dan had a nothing-to-lose kinda thing."

That's B.S.

Dan has more to lose than Dewey and Gerry! I think that most fans are able to forgive Dan's past mistakes. But if Dan were to "screw-up" again for a second time, it could have a serious negative impact on Dan's credibility with his fans. On the other hand, Gerry and Dewey have proven to the whole wide world that they can succeed with or without Dan. They have nothing to lose by giving Dan a second chance. And they will be praised and respected by their fans and the music business community. What a legacy that will make! Sure there are risks involved, but some of the greatest rewards come with taking risks. What's the alternative? Being content as a shameful "greatest-hits-show"? I would expect that they would always have the option of firing Dan if Dan wasn't doing his job. They can always go back to being a duo!!

Probably the real truth is that Dewey and Gerry simply wish to keep the status-quo. They probably don't want to expend the time, effort, energy, and COURAGE it will take to make the band America the best it can be. ~Pat

(continuing...)

If Dan Peek had not been a part of America during the first 8, or whatever number of years it was, there would not have been an America for the last 25 years.

Actually, I believe that Dan is doing Gerry and Dewey a big favor by offering to come back. They're sucessful without him, but they'll never be as good. ~Pat

<<"If there was a reunion, Dan would be cashing in on Gerry & Dewey's America efforts for the last 25 years without paying any dues...">>

"...without paying any dues"???

For the past 20+ years, Dewey and Gerry have been performing live on stage songs written by Dan Peek.

Doesn't that count for something? I believe it does.

Unless the copyright holders have a different arrangement, every time Dewey and Gerry plays one of Dan's songs live, Dan is paid a royalty. In general, musicians have to pay for the privilege to play songs owned by other people. There must be a very good reason why Gerry and Dewey continue to this day, to perform songs written by Dan Peek at all of their concerts. There must have also been a good reason why Gerry and Dewey included Dan's song: "Everyone I Meet's From California" on "Hourglass". Whether or not people choose to recongize it, the fact remains that Dan's presence (past and present) is still there.

If Dan Peek had NOT been a part of America during the first 8, or whatever number of years it was, there would NOT have been

(from post 23411)

<<"I tend to think only us diehards would continue to really appreciate the duo's shows after a reunion tour.">>

I think that the opposite is true.

The casual fans will continue going to the shows and continue to enjoy America live, as a duo, just as they have been doing for the past 20+ years. The casual fan doesn't really care one way or the other if Dan Peek is on stage. However, I believe that the casual fans will recognize immediately Dan's important contribution to the band as soon as they experience it.

<<"I'm just glad that America is still together.">>

Only 2/3rds of America is together.

America is Gerry Beckley, Dewey Bunnell and Dan Peek.

Cool! Although I like the new design, I like the colors we had before.

Hi Everyone~~
Hey there Jimmmmmmm~~ Yes I have been listening to my Guitar Man and also checking some of his others out tooooo.~~ They are all sooo good~~ Missing You (Chelsea's song~~Just brings a very special friend to mind! Hope you are still playing some really nice songs, I look forward to getting to hear them real soon! Enjoy your weekend, hope to talk some soon! ~~~~Regarding Dan & Gerry & Dewey~~~~ I know all of us true AMERICA Fan's still hunger for the magic of the early years, the harmonizing the blending together of each of their talents. I never got to see them as a trio, I can just imagine how AWESOME it would have been, My 2 times of seeing Gerry & Dewey were AWESOME too, Just like Johnny said, I too am sooo glad they are still around and going strong, each of them, Dan with his music and Gerry & Dewey with their music. I feel we have the best of all of them ~~ Nice!
Now regarding all of the POSTS the last 2 days ~~ I have just loved it, Johnny thanks so much for sharing this insight on thoughts from Dewey & Gerry. I always enjoy the wealth you have to share with us. :)
Hi SteveO ~~ thanks for sharing Dewey's thoughts from the interview you did with them, all of this is definitely clear to see and to accept too. I guess as long as we are fans of theirs we want to keep that Hope that maybe by some over the rainbow chance they may do a reunion show sometime, nothing wrong with having Hope!
Well now Bones (all of your alias's) and msmith (or windwave or ....)why don't you just split the Hostess duties with Robyn~~should make for an interesting live chat to say the least..... my only question is do you both tell each other what name you will be using that night? Whatever the case you both add fun to the live chat!
Hey DanC~~Did you fall in the Pool! How have ya been? I have been checking out some Steve Perry songs and I found one that I was sooo glad to hear again ~~~ Send her my loveeeee ~~ Memories remainnn, send her my love, roses never fadeeeeee! Keep Smiling! :)
Hey Red~~ Steve Perry would be a good one too come and sing with Gerry & Dewey! I finally have some free time to check out the info you sent me, I will let you know later about it~~ Ok? Oh~~~ I should be hearing from my friend on Monday when she gets back from her weekend away and seeing LRB & Kansas, I will let you know her thoughts on this soon Ok? Keep on listening to those good songs! :)
Done for now, Nancy :) Have a great weekend all~~
~~~~~Shower the people you love with love, show them the way that you feel, things are gonna work out fine if you only will do as I say, shower the people you love with love, show them the way that you feel things are gonna be much better if you only willlllll~~~~~Thanks James T. ~~ Nice song! :)

i would love to see a reunion as much or more than anyone since i was never fortunate enough to see the trio live, but i don't see it ever happening. imagine gerry & dewey 'paying their dues' with their very ambitious road schedule for the last 25 years while cranking out some new, outstanding music. here's dan kicking back on the beach in the caymans doing his thing. if there was a reunion dan would be "cashing in" on gerry & dewey's america efforts for the last 25 years without "paying any dues", so to speak. i can see gerry & dewey's point of view. whenever this topic is brought up i keep thinking of a post kevin made a couple of years ago. paraphrasing it went something like this...america the duo is better than any other group. america the trio was better than america the duo.

bones--i don't think that robyn has an intention of giving up the reins soon, but we'll put you next in line. the only problem is that i'm the only one that knows who you are since you sign in with a different name every week :-).

Hi Jim,
It sure must be great, but i don't have it yet... sorry. But i plan to order it. One thing at a time. YOU KNOW my music budget goes crazy in the summertime ( concerts, festivals, and cds...) .
Hope you are doing fine. Spring approaching down under, no? See you very soon. Gen.

Nancy, are you still listening to GUITAR MAN? Aint it great? And my French Friend?

Hey Vic, no problem.Anything we read or hear from Dan will have the same meaning, which is, he would still be keen. Oh, and Johnny, I cant say Ive ever really been able to single out David Dickey's voice. Obviously Ive seen him singing on the Live in Central Park video, but I guess his vocal talents are pretty good. Would have to be,really. Though I wouldn't call Woodz a great singer, even if his line in WOMAN TONIGHT is not bad!

Jimbob,

My apologies, for getting ahead of you, on Ladd's question, concerning Dan's willingness for a reunion with Dewey and Gerry.

Gidday Johnny; yeah, that's who I figured must have been singing. It's not bad singing, by any means, but that song has such beauty in it's original recording, that the King Biscuit version just doesn't cut it. Personal taste, of course, but I have not heard any version of that song done nearly to the standard of the HOLIDAY recording. I believe it's played way too fast in concert. Its one of my very favourite Dewey songs. I believe he considers it one of his better tunes. Makes me remeber that email you sent me a while back Johnny: it never sounded the same again! LOL! See ya....

Thanks for that post SeveO. That is by far the most in-depth information I have read concerning the reasons Dan's not playing with them again. And Dewey's concerns do make some sense, but really its got two sides. As we've mentioned at different times here, I don't know if most concert goers would know or care too much if Dan was back or not. So, IMO, it would only be "us guys" who would be really benefitting, from a fan's perspective. As far as the possibility of his return looking like a "cash-in", I feel the fact that the duo have been performing ever since his departure would sorta silence any talk like that. Maybe if they had split up a long time ago and then all reformed, well that could perhaps be seen as a cash-in. And the fact that some record labels were keen to record them if they were a trio again, to me, that in itself is a pretty good reason. But through reading this interview I get the impression, that when all is said and done, they just dont WANT him back. And it is, afterall, their choice. Gerry has, over the years, seemed to become the musical director, if you like, of the band, and I imagine there would be some problems there too, if Dan returned. Finally, Ladd, Dan answered a fans question on his website a while back saying he was all for a reunion, but Dewey and Gerry weren't. Sorry for the rambling here folks, but it's Saturday morning here in NZ and Im gettin over a big night! Enjoy your weekend!

Plus Steve, if there were to be a reunion and the duo continues to tour afterwards (which we know D&G would do, of course), I think some folks would say something like, "Oh, the show is just two of the three members. It couldn't be as good as their reunion shows so forget it."

I tend to think only us diehards would continue to really appreciate the duo's shows after a reunion tour. So, I can certainly understand D&G's thoughts even though I'd love to see a reunion, personally. But, I believe it will never happen. That's okay, sad, but okay. I'm just glad America is still together!

Jimbob, I think it's Brad Palmer that's singing harmony on "Old Man Took".

It has me wondering what David Dickey's singing voice sounds/sounded like. Anyone know of any America recordings (songs) that would let us hear David's voice?

My most recent interview with Dewey came at the time of the "Human Nature" release,and I thought I would dig out the interview and share a few comments that Dewey made in regards to Dan.I know there are alot of fans here who would love to see a reunion of the 3. Forwhat its worth,here is what Dewey had to say about it. When I asked Dewey about the Possibility of Dan rejoining the group(as I seem to ask each time I do an interview with the guys)he said: "There was a time when it did seem possible,but to be honest,I don't think its ever gonna happen. We got kinda close when we were looking for this record deal this time,and we had a few record labels say they would be interested in recording us if we brought Dan back or if we could put together the original trio. I really don't think....it would smack of a 'cash-in'or something or reunion or whatever you want to call it.And the 21 years that Gerry and I have put into this thing as a duo,uh,not that it would be undermined with Dan,but I think that Dan would have alot more to gain than we would necessarily. Certainly all eyes would be focused on Dan if he came back and was on stage,cause I mean everybody's seen us for the past 21 years. When we added the pros and cons to the whole deal,it just didn't seem like something...we didn't want to undermine what we(gerry & dewey)had done for 21 years and if it did look like a 'cash-in'or if it was a failure,we just felt like it was a 'lose-lose'for me and Gerry and Dan really hada 'nothing-to-lose'kinda thing."
Dewey shared more on the Dan situation,but it gets a little time consuming trying to type this up as I listen to it. Needless to say,you get the main idea. I can add that Gerry & Dewey have certainly expressed their appreciation to Dan over and over for the years of his work,and its obviously not gone unnoticed. Alot of the business dealings still include Dan because of his Involvement. Now as this interview took place 4 years ago,I'm sure little has changed with their attitudes since then. Yes,Dan is willing and game to get involved again,and we fans would love it.
I wanted to share this with you all to give everybody a clearer view of why Gerry & Dewey prefer to continue on as a duo. Its wishful thinking for sure,but unless they get inducted into the Rock & roll hall of fame(which would be an easier setting to hook up 'on-stage')
I don't think you'll see a reunion anytime soon.

Thanks SteveL.

Ladd,

One final point...naa. I'm cool with everything if you are. I'm sure everyone else on the board is breathing a sigh of relief.

Just curious, what did you mean by "pure evil" referring to Dewey's lyrics from the song "Hat Trick"?

Concerning Jimbob's comment about Dan wanting to return to AMERICA, I believe what he is referring to, is what Dan said in the interview, conducted by Steve Orchard. It doesn't take much, "reading between the lines", to realize, that Dan would be willing to make the reuion happen, even if only on a temporary basis. At least that's the way I interpreted what Dan said, when Steve questioned him on the subject. Have you read that interview Ladd?

jimbob wrote: <<"AMERICA,now,are basiclly a greatest hits show...">>

Such a shame.

But they don't have to be.

Can you imagine the excitement ON stage if Dan were to come back?!

I can picture it quite clearly: Dan would be playing and singing to his VERY BEST abilities just to prove to himself, the audience and especially to Gerry and Dewey that he's still "got it".
And not to be outdone by the "New/Old Guy", I would imagine that Gerry and Dewey would also be singing and performing at their very very very best too.

America needs new excitement.

The very best way to achieve it is a man named DAN PEEK.

It's time to bring Dan Peek back on stage where he belongs.

Are Dewey and Gerry confident enough in themselves and their musical abilities to take on that challenge? Or are they too afraid of being upstaged by the "New/Old Guy"? ~Pat

Hmmm Duffy, I'd say Dewey although he wasn't a member of the Drama Club during his senior year according to their yearbook. According to the pamphlet I've been quoting from, it states this:

"After graduation in 1969, they parted briefly. Dewey tried acting school and Dan went to college in Virginia as an English and Business major. Gerry had a job in a warehouse."

Pat, if you go to the Norman lyrics web page and scroll to the bottom, you'll find a little more information about Norman bel Geddes and a link to a web page dedicated to him. --SteveL

As most of you know, America (the trio) all went to High School together. During their senior year (1969) a couple of teachers wrote a musical. ~~ Who in “America” appeared in this Junior Revue “We’re Revolting”?

Thanks Johnny and Robyn for your thorough explaination(s). It seems that Norman bel Geddes is someone that Gerry admires much in the same way as we America Fans admire Mr. Beckley. ~Pat

Rich, I'm glad to hear you've enjoyed the quotes! The pamphlet is 18 pages not counting the front and back cover. Half of the 18 pages are large photos (black & white). Some I've seen before in different America songbooks and some I never have. They may be photos from songbooks that I don't have which is very likely the case since I have only the "Hearts" and "Hideaway" songbooks.

The rest of the text in the pamphlet is pretty much America info we all know about already. There is still some that is probably of interest to all of us. Unfortunately, I no longer have a scanner. But, as I mentioned, a lot of the remaining info is America history we all already know about largely from the "Highway" booklet.

One of the photos that I haven't seen before is a different shot of Dewey from the "Harbor" period. It's like the one on the "Harbor" poster with Dewey wearing the "White Stag" snorkel wear. The photo in the pamphlet shows him holding up a metal bar with something on it. Perhaps, they're raw filets of fish. Anyone know? Also, in this same photo, there's an attractive lady standing behind him with a large smile on her face.

Welcome abroad AND ABOARD!!! LOL

Yeah, Duffy, welcome abroad!

I agree with Nancy that Gerry probably enjoys performing "DaisyJane". I think the same about "SGH" and "To Each His Own".

As far as Dewey, I'd guess "Sandman" and "Ventura Highway". I think "Three Roses" is probably a difficult song for him to sing now since the song probably stirs-up a lot of emotion(s) for him and others he's close to...both positive and "no-so-positive" ones. Just my opinion, of course.

Trio v. Duo: I never saw America as a trio, so maybe I shouldn't comment, but I like the duo just fine. I prefer to think of the duo as being "different" from the trio, and that one isn't better or worse than the other (kind of like children, pets and ex-girlfriends).

JOHNNY: You're killing me with these fabulous qoutes! is there a way to post these on the page all at once without getting anyone sued for copyright infringement? Your prior posting mentioned that this material was from a book on California Rock artists. Are there any other tidbits about other performers that we might find interesting?

Finally, I saw Mark Cohn ("Walking in Memphis") perform in a relatively small San Francisco venue last night. He was great. The show oozed energy and he clearly felt what he was singing. The backing band was great as well, and they claimed to be playing together as a unit for the first time in public (although they had played in different combinations previously). Even Ladd would have liked this!! (just teasing, but I couldn't resist, I hope you don't mind)

Have a great weekend everyone!

Rich

Hi Everyone ~~~ Hey it's Friday again!!!!
Welcome aboard Duffy ~~ Nice question to jump in with ~~ I gave it some thought and my first song is none other than Horse with No Name, because this is the song that started it all and it is always sooo looked for at their shows and so well accepted, definitely a sing along song of theirs for ALL Fans! Three Roses would be my second song to mention, this is definitely one of Deweys known Gems! Then for Gerry I would say Daisy Jane ~~ such a fun sincere song! His voice is sooo nice on this song too! I was lucky enough to hear them sing Wheels just this past time I saw them, and Mirror to Mirror the first time I saw them, and they performed both of these newer songs with Zest and it was soooo nice! I envy Robyn and some of the others that got to see them as a Trio, I really enjoyed both of the shows I saw, I can just imagine how AWESOME it would have been to see the 3 of them back in the early days! WOW!
Hmmmm I wanted to write soo much more right now but I will have to finish this later. Gotta go for right now! Nancy :
~~~~ Goodbye, Goodbye , Goodbye~~~

Hello to all,

I have been following the comments and back and forth bantering for some time now and have enjoyed it all. As a long term America fan I want to jump into the fold with a question for any or all. ~~ After watching Gerry and Dewey perform, what songs do you think they most enjoy, both individually and together?

Duffy

Robyn, you said yesterday, "Nice to hear that my home town had a positive effect on Gerry (guess he likes it here, he still lives locally)."

Your home town is Sun Valley, isn't it? That's where I sent the bookmarks you gave me over a year ago...you know the "mail" you thanked me for here on the folder the other day?

So, Gerry lives in Sun Valley, too?

Thanks for the link Genevieve.

I'm glad we're talking now. You're a good man. A little dialogue lubes it up and helps ease the tension.

<<What was bothering me, at this point, was not what you had said, substantively, about Dewey's lack of heart, and musicianship, but with the fequency with which you had said it, and some of the analogies you had drawn, between the Dewey of the MusikLaden video, and the Dewey of today. I can't remember the exact quote but I think you characterized Dewey's performance, as that of a "bad kareokist", in comparison to what you saw on the MusikLaden video.>>

Dewey's singing style at the concert I saw really bothered me. Remember that quote that Johnny just posted where Dewey was talking about that "menacing" aspect to his singing, and how he loved to write songs in minor just to give them a bit of a dark, somber edge. Well, the Dewey I saw the other night wasn't conveying any of those tones. He was singing his songs (with the exception of "Sandman", perhaps) in a very loose, fun manner and I swear--it really did, in terms of his alliteration of the words--sounds like a bad karaoke rendition. There was none of that steady staccato that makes songs like "Tin Man" and "Horse" so great. It didn't feel heavy or serious at all, and to me, that's what a Dewey song HAS to feel like.

<<I thought that was unnecessary, and in bad taste.(There was also a later post in which you compared the MusicLaden video with the performance that you saw. You said,"The MusicLaden video performance blows the performance I just saw out of the water and then shoots it with a scud as it's sailing throught the air.">>

I held back there. The Musikladen performance actually drops an atomic bomb on the concert I just saw and leaves nothing but a highly radioactive, silent crater.

<<That, in my oppinion, showed lack of wisdom and tact.)That combined with the thought, of more critiques, prompted my outburst, and for that I apologize Ladd. There had been no dialogue, between us, prior to this, so what else could you think. I showed lack of wisdom and tact.I guess I need to come back one more time. Later.>>

We're both emotional guys and we butted heads like rams. My mouth gets me in trouble. I'm very honest. I also have no dysfunctional emotional issues with America where being critical of them sends me into a panic or manic depression. It's not all or nothing with me. They are legends in my mind regardless of how good they sound in 2002. It's been over 30 years, for chrissakes. Every musical career has highs and lows. The great ones are the ones that go truly high, and America, for many years, was so high you couldn't see them.

Amen and hope you have a good one, Vic.

-Ladd

On August 22nd America will be at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City (the same place where they have the Miss America pageant). I was originally told that this was a private concert so I didn't post it on the Concert List but TicketMaster.com is selling tickets to the concert so I guess the public can attend. I'll add it to the concert list this weekend but if any of you are in the Atlantic City area on that Thursday, I'm sure you'll want to attend! Thanks to Michael Baratta for making me aware that the concert was public. --SteveL

What you talkin' 'bout, Willis??

<<And you are right on Ladd! It once again comes down to the wonderful harmony between the guys, achieved only with Dan on board.I'm curious: is there anyone here who thinks AMERICA sounds better as a duo? I would think not. We only have to listen to GUITAR MAN. Dan's vocals are just superb! The "Dan debate" will continue for as long as AMERICA continue, and probably a long time after, but there's no escaping the fact, they WERE better as a trio. As I sit here, I find it so absurd; Dan wants in again, but he's not wanted. OLD MAN TOOK, such a great song, really misses Dan on the King Biscuit recording. Can any one tell me, who is doing the vocal harmony? It sure isn't up to the original recording. AMERICA,now, are just basically a greatest hits show, and while I love them dearly, I long for the passion and energy Ladd speaks of. I say this, cos I watched Musikladen again last night.>>

Steve,
I found this internet page on Tangerine ( and they mention the album DLCDLF). Until I can get this scanned pic ready, here's a way to see the LP cover art . See you- Geneviève.
http://www.forcedexposure.com/artists/tangerine.html

And you are right on Ladd! It once again comes down to the wonderful harmony between the guys, achieved only with Dan on board.I'm curious: is there anyone here who thinks AMERICA sounds better as a duo? I would think not. We only have to listen to GUITAR MAN. Dan's vocals are just superb! The "Dan debate" will continue for as long as AMERICA continue, and probably a long time after, but there's no escaping the fact, they WERE better as a trio. As I sit here, I find it so absurd; Dan wants in again, but he's not wanted. OLD MAN TOOK, such a great song, really misses Dan on the King Biscuit recording. Can any one tell me, who is doing the vocal harmony? It sure isn't up to the original recording. AMERICA,now, are just basically a greatest hits show, and while I love them dearly, I long for the passion and energy Ladd speaks of. I say this, cos I watched Musikladen again last night.

Pat and Everyone ~ "Gerry Beckley is a musician's musician. He started playing piano at the age of two, and is equally at home now on the concert stage pounding either the keyboards or his twin-necked Gibson guitar. But first and foremost Gerry is a songwriter, spending much of his time composing new songs and working on complex arrangements. In the living-room of his house in the Hollywood Hills he works daily on an upright piano rigged up with a microphone and cassette recorder. Here he tries out and perfects new songs.

On a recent visit Gerry sits at the piano to play 'Norman,' a new song which will probably be on America's next record. It is a gentle, sensitive song, a tribute really to a pioneering designer who is today all but forgotten; his name was Norman Bel Geddes and in the twenties and thirties he explored the vast, untapped potential for innovative design ideas in modern industrial construction and production; his vision led him to the practical and aesthetic advances of streamlining in cars, trains, and ships, and his designs were always spectacular. Gerry's voice echoes high and clear around the room:

'I'd sail a ship round the ocean today with your name on it
And I've never sailed a ship before, Norman
How can people forget,
I won't let them, Norman'

After he has finished the song, Gerry sits down in front of the slow-burning log fire and explains his long involvement with art and design, and his musical beginnings: 'I almost went to art school; I was interested in art and I was going to be an architect, because music seemed such an unlikely business to succeed in, as far as, at least, the commercial aspect. I mean, the professional aspect of art could be exploited -- I saw my sister become a successful interior designer, and so that seemed like something I could succeed in. I taught piano and guitar for about a year when I was fifteen, but the knowledge, the actual trained reading knowledge has tapered off into just a practical position in my life.

I did seriously consider prolonging my agony with misucal training, but somehow I think I got a copy of the Harrow School of Music exam -- the final exams -- just for me to see what you needed to know. The problem was just the thought of getting into school for another four years. If I'd learned all that, I would have lost a lot of youth -- and that's what kind of helped us out (America), when we all started recording, and we were only seventeen or eighteen. If I'd been twenty-one or twenty-two, a classical music genius, it would have all been over for the development of the group.'"

(Sure glad you didn't go to art or music school, Mr. B! jy)

Norman is famed 20's and 30's designer Norman bel Geddes ( father of actress Barbara) He was a designer, artist, inventor a real Renaissance man. I am currently rereading his postumous bio "Miracle in the Evening" and his book on designs "Horizons" He also designed ships and planes which I think is what Gerry is alluding to in the "I'd fly a plane..sail a ship" that if Norman designed it, he would gladly pilot it not as it appears that if Norman's name were just written on it. Anyone else get that idea?

Bones after last week do you REALLY want to be host? ;)

Hey Wind,
My goal is to be the "Chat Host" when Robyn retires.

I've been listening to Gerry's song: "Norman" on Jeff Larson's new CD: Fragile Sunrise for a couple of weeks now. I'm having difficulty understanding what the song means. Can anyone explain to me what the song is about, and what inspired Gerry to write it? ~Pat

Ladd,

By now, this is probably wearing heavily, on some here on the chat folder. Sorry....Getting back to your post, 23309. You said,

<<Just out of curiosity, Vic, what were they? The only ones I can think of in my history on this board are things like "I like ---- album better than --- album." If that's critical thought, scholars all over this planet are in desperate trouble... And how did my posts lack "wisdom and tact"? Please, tell me. Like Hardtosleep and Moser, you're great at bashing me personally without addressing a single point I ever made substantively. Is that your own demonstration of "wisdom and tact"?>>

The use of sarcasm, when use properly, and in the right instance, can be an affective tool, to get one's point across. I think you'll agree. You have used it, at least once of late, notably, post 23239. However, that being said, you were right to call me on my use of it, in my post,23227. I said.

<<Hey Moser, if you were glad about stoping by the chat folder today, and finding what you found, I know that you are going to be beside yourself with joy, once he gets another live videotape of the modern period, and REALLY sees what dewey is doing musically. I know I can't wait for the next installment.>>

Up to this point, I had been silent concerning your "critique" of Dewey, and as I have said before, I had no problem, with what you initially had to say. What was bothering me, at this point, was not what you had said, substantively, about Dewey's lack of heart, and musicianship, but with the fequency with which you had said it, and some of the analogies you had drawn, between the Dewey of the MusikLaden video, and the Dewey of today. I can't remember the exact quote but I think you characterized Dewey's performance, as that of a "bad kareokist", in comparison to what you saw on the MusikLaden video. I thought that was unnecessary, and in bad taste.(There was also a later post in which you compared the MusicLaden video with the performance that you saw. You said,"The MusicLaden video performance blows the performance I just saw out of the water and then shoots it with a scud as it's sailing throught the air." That, in my oppinion, showed lack of wisdom and tact.)That combined with the thought, of more critiques, prompted my outburst, and for that I apologize Ladd. There had been no dialogue, between us, prior to this, so what else could you think. I showed lack of wisdom and tact.I guess I need to come back one more time. Later.

In this pamphlet are some photos I've never seen before. One of them is a photo of Gerry and Dewey standing next to a truck with the driver's door open. The caption reads, "Listening to the Eagles' album 'Hotel California' on truck cassette player, Kauai, 1976."

(This is all for now...jy)

Well that would be cool, as I am planning on attending that show! Is anyone else going to be there?

"School in England had a long-lasting effect on Dewey, so much so that it became a major source for his early songwriting: 'On the first two albums there's a lot of references to school; I had a good time in my last high school years, whatever goes on in that period. For instance in 'Rainbow Song' we put in lyrics about school; 'Window frames, a picture of winter time within my room/Sometimes then I laugh at the funny times we had in school/Blowing leaves, broken dreams, seventeen, dancing queen.' Nostalgic memories which hung onto me for a long time. I really use to feel strongly, bummed out almost, about being out of high school when I was nineteen to twenty; for that long a time I couldn't shake school because those were the most romantic memories I had, as far as relationships, sports, and those kind of binding things with a lot of different people."

(Wow, I share the same feelings that Dewey does/did about high school...cool! jy)

"We'd done "Hat Trick" which took us months to do and it was the last thing, I swore, that I would produce, either myself or in conjunction with the rest of the guys. I felt that no longer was I giving a hundred percent to both. I don't know how I felt initially; maybe because I was over-inspired I had more to give, but "Hat Tirck" got into some lengthy songs, some eight minute songs and sixteen hour mixes straight, and I started to think 'Oh! My ears!'...getting into these critical micro-waves of a fader, that kind of thing -- that was enough for me!"

Dewey continued, almost thinking aloud: "It's hard to ever pinpoint the spark between Gerry and myself, but I've always said that I thought Gerry is the most consistent person I know, at least in terms of knowing where he's at on a given thing. I always know where Gerry's coming from. Gerry is a Virgo, very analytical and organized. Well, that's important to me. I need anchors like that myself. Maybe it's familiarity but I can usually know what Gerry's reaction to, say, any situation is going to be, at least politically; and musically I can pretty well figure out what his reactions will be. He doesn't shock me too much whenever he does do somthing that might be considered radical."

Reading this quote made me think of "Hollywood." When that song comes on HOLIDAY, it's like cold water being thrown in your face. In other words, it kicks ass.

But for the most truly evil and wonderful Dewey diddy, you can stick with beloved "Hat Trick."

"You are running from the ring of the golden bell
like a bat out of hell
You are running..."

Pure evil and I love it!

Dewey said, "It's harder for me to write a song about something that's just a good, groovy time; there's always a 'minor,' as in minor chord, that I like to write about. It's sure hard for me to write about 'bounced the baby on my knee' or 'these fun times,' you know. That isn't enough to get me to write. I always like to throw in something, get something extra; the words, the images, the colors, like purple or whatever, that have that little tinge of possible terror -- I call it menacing, that's the word. A little menacing. Minor keys, minor choruses, as in 'Sandman': 'I understand you've been running from the man.' Or in 'Midnight' and even in 'Amber Cascades': 'stop all the slaughter in view' -- just a word like 'slaughter'. These are word pictures which are in every chorus."

"Sometimes I'm envious of people in the Midwest who live next door to their grandfather and know the same people all their lives," Dewey admits. "We moved eighteen times in sixteen years. But it wasn't all bad. The thing I like about it was if I did something stupid, if I blew it in school, I told myself I wouldn't make the same mistake the next year in Omaha or wherever we'd be."

There's enuff time to work in Jackson Browne for the inaugural rendition of Hat Trick b4 the shows on Aug 18. Let's get to it Gerry & Dewey. If Jackson can't do it maybe Steve Perry? The fans deserve it men. Hop to it.

Brandy you're a fine girl,
What a good wife you would be.

From a pamphlet that has on the front: "AMERICA Text by Anthony Fawcett, From the book 'California Rock California Sound,' Reprinted by permission "Reed Books," a division of Addison House"

Dewey said, "It's harder for me to write a song about something that's just a good, groovy time; there's always a 'minor,' as in minor chord, that I like to write about. It's sure hard for me to write about 'bounced the baby on my knee' or 'these fun times,' you know. That isn't enough to get me to write. I always like to throw in something, get something extra; the words, the images, the colors, like purple or whatever, that have that little tinge of possible terror -- I call it menacing, that's the word. A little menacing. Minor keys, minor choruses, as in 'Sandman': 'I understand you've been running from the man.' Or in 'Midnight' and even in 'Amber Cascades': 'stop all the slaughter in view' -- just a word like 'slaughter'. These are word pictures which are in every chorus."

Johnny, where you gettin' all these quotes, boy?

Keep 'em flowing...

-LE

Right before GLB said what I posted in the previous message, this was written:

"Living in California for so long now has made Gerry, especially, aware of a change in his approach to songwriting. The other writers working here have made him more aware of certain possibilities and to a large extent have opened him up. He thinks about this for a minute and then offers: 'The things that come to mind to me are that kind of simplistic English approach which I originally had, which I would like to put somewhere in the category of a McCartney or something -- that kind of tapping piano which touches on Vaudeville and stuff, where the fireman rushes in, etc. Those are all observations but they seem to come from an English eye to me.'

was lucky enough to see Jackson open for America all those years ago. He is a local boy, even tho he says he is from Orange County, his mom taught English lit at the local high school and used his lyrics in the poetry segment. I don't think he ever made an appearance. I love Jackson's voice, nice range, beautiful timbre. Nice to hear that my home town had a positive effect of Gerry ( guess he likes it here, he still lives locally).

1. dan peek
2. jeff larson
3. woodsy??

Jackson Browne, you say? Here's what Gerry once had to say about him:

"When I got to L.A., people like Jackson Browne I would cite as becoming an immediate influence, because their lyrics would flow in a way that was just like talking, without being simplistic. I just couldn't believe that; somehow it's like a conversation that he put tunes to. He has a knack, an ability to put words to music, that is much more like the L.A. approach to just genuine observation as opposed to simplifying it down to its bare essentials. Tom Waits is the most fantastic person, and you know his songs are so funny, too. I find Jackson can depress me a little bit, but only through his honesty; and it was that style of his which led to a song of mine, "Sister Golden Hair," which is probably the more L.A. of my lyrics: 'I tried to make it Sunday but got so damn depressed, Set my sights on Monday and I got myself undressed.' Then I realized, wait a minute, it was all just coming out like words. Also: 'I ain't ready for the altar' was one of the first times I used 'ain't' in a song, but I wasn't making an effort to. I was just putting myself in that frame of mind and I got those kind of lyrics out of it. That's how Los Angeles canged me -- it opened up that whole channel."

As long as we are indulging in fantasy the following is my short but probably evergrowing list:

Jeff Larson
Jackson Browne
Bruce Springsteen ( doen't he owe them one?)

More when the caffine takes effect...

...where all the energy in the song seems to coalesce in one brilliant, emotional epiphony. Gerry sings "Take her away, she's trying to bring me round. I'm nowhere to be found," and then he launches into "Aah aah aa-aaaahhh, aa-aaaahhh, aa-aahh! Aah aah aa-aaaahhh, aa-aaaahh, aa-aah!"

Whenever I hear that (particularly when I've had some green), my whole body pulses with power and I feel...FULL. Like the feeling you get channelling chi doing Taiji Ch'uan, let's say.

Totally inspired. Y'all want to understand why I'm so hard on the boys now? Listen to that 10 seconds a few times tonight...

-LE

Hi Everyone~~
First I have to say it is an absolutely beautiful day here ~~wall to wall blue-eyes sky with those great big cottonball clouds~~ Wish I had a digital camera to capture it for you all! :) Watching my sister's kids today and of course mine..... hanging out lots of neverending laundry!
Hi Gen ~~ So good to hear from you. I took a couple listens to the french version of Sandman, sounds soooo neat hearing this familiar music with french words added, Thanks for sharing this with us. Hmmmm~~~ you say the name of the band is Tangerine, could it be the same Tangerine that did a musical song called "Love on a real train", for the Tom Cruise movie Risky Business. It is when they are on the fast train and I always thought that this music was so captivating for this scene. There is the hint of a ladies gentle voice added throughout this song. I am listening to it now.... Nice! ~~~ I am glad to hear you will be getting Jeff L's new CD ~~~ WOW! Enjoy it, I know I love it. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it. Especially on the added tracks. Take care my friend! :)
Hi Red ~~~ It was Lots of fun chatting with you and all the others last night! Good idea about guest artists joining them, Wow this would have endless possibilies. Of course I will remention my choices ~~ Jeff Larson ~~ Timothy B Schmit ~~ hmmm Tears for Fears singer~ Roland Orzabel, Paul Davis, Dan Seals, Peter Cetera , Marc Antony, wow so many more! This would be a neat addition to the show!
~~~~ Window frames a picture of winterime within my room, sometimes then i laugh at the funny times we had in school, blowing leaves broken dream, seventeen, dancing queeennnnnnnn dancing queennn, I went to asleep on a Rainbow hiding from the wake of a tide, I went sleep on a rainbow, hoping for the rest of the ride!~~~ Can you feel it moving inside of you can you let it go, the purple ghost of wintertime whoooo I used to knowwwww!~~~~~
Seeeeee ya Later, Nancy :)

My goal is to hear Brad sing Muskrat Love in concert.

Or, failing that, to at least get to another America concert sometime this decade.

everyone should have a goal in life. my goal is to hear 'hat trick' live.

I think the guys should incorporate a guest singer to help them do "Hat Trick" at various concerts(logically in Calif) sometime in the future. I think it would add a degree of anticipation as to when & where this would happen. Let's compile a list of singers who would be a natural for the opportunity. Maybe Sheryl Crow, Christopher Cross, Andrew Gold, etc.

My baby does the hanky panky......

Hi Nancy,

I have mail-ordered my copy of J Larson’s cd cuz it’s not yet to be found in the local music shops and I’m still waiting for the postman to bring it home to me! I couldn’t get it from Amazone.fr, so I tried my luck at the ‘Fnac’ and was rewarded at last !!! This CD definitely needs promotion here, I’m afraid ! I will try to make it known in my circle of friends but commercially speaking, a lot remains to be done IMHO… I’ll be sure to let you know my opinion, especially as regards the extra tracks advertised on JF’s site. See ya soon. Gen.

Hi everyone,

Thanks Steve for putting this French cover version of Dewey’s song on the folder. Although I find it a bit funny when I listen to it nowadays, I thought it was worth sharing with my fellow fans…

The song title in French (which happens to be the LP title as well) is :
‘De L'Autre Coté De La Forêt’ which approximately means ‘beyond the wood’ & is about the world’s confusion, destruction as well as crossing lands covered with blood and dead bodies – probably to keep the implicit reference to the Vietnam war.
The band’s name is TANGERINE but the lyricist & female lead singer is actually Valérie Btesh .
The album was classified ‘French prog folk/country folk’ and released (first pressing on Arcane ) in 1974 (according to MY copy) or 1975 (according to what is mentioned on the ‘octopusmusic’ web site where collectors can still buy copies of it).

I’ll soon send a scanned pic of the album nice cover art to Steve to be added to one of the site museums. In the meantime, I’d be happy to read your comments, critics (YES, YES !) or answer any answerable questions you might ask about the song. BFN – Geneviève

As promised, Genevieve sent me a French cover version of Sandman on a cassette tape. I have converted the tape to MP3 format and uploaded it to the Chat Folder for everyone to download and listen to. It will remain here for about 2 weeks. It's interesting listening to the song in French by a cover band and I think you'll find that it sounds very 70's-ish. I'll let Genevieve tell you the name of the singer (I think it's V. Stesh) and the French translation for the name of the song. Thanks Genevieve for sharing this with us. --SteveL

Click here to download the French version of Sandman in MP3 format

Steve,I also have that version of "Hat Trick" from the same show. Upon another listen,its hard to even imagine Gerry & Dewey doing that today without Dan.I can't quite recall a better collaborative effort from all 3 guys in one song. It seems like the "Hat Trick" material is difficult to find "Live",even though the MusicLaden DVD includes 3 songs. I also have a King Biscuit show from 1978 which includes one of my favorites from "Hat Trick","Rainbow Song".

If you want to hear a soundclip of Hat Trick live from a 1973 Philadelphia concert broadcast, go to the Index of Sound Clips at /america/soundidx.htm and scroll down toward the bottom in the Miscellaneous section. The second entry is Hat Trick. You can listen to a RealAudio soundclip of the entire song by clicking on the blue notes icon in parentheses behind the song title. --SteveL

Regreatably, I am unable to chat this evening. HAve a great time everyone! Last week, a few people talked about having a group listen, Tghe consensus was "Hearts" ( Two people voted) If you still want to do i this evening, I will miss it, but go for it! I hope that I will be able to return next week.

Nancy, did my email help with your DVD problem? Will you be chatting 2nite? Hope American Girl shows up again. Is their any America concert on tape that has "Hat Trick" performed on it? Was HT ever released as a single? I will be joining the Chatters at 7pm (mountain time) for a thought provoking mental workout. Hopefully, the brain trust of America scientology will also join.

Arizona, cut off your Indian braids,
Arizona, heh won't you go my way.

<<I heard it live. You are right it was awesome.>>

Robyn, do you remember what they did in lieu of the tap-dancing. Did the drummer do rim clicks with the same pattern, or was it a guitar solo or something else that they put in in its place?

-LE

Okay Ladd, fair enough! Now, may I recommend to you a bottle of Sangria wine? "Try it...you'll like it!" :0)

Ironically, Mark Lindsay will be appearing in my relatively small hometown on the 24th of this month for a free outdoor nighttime concert. I remember as a kid watching P.R. & The Raiders on tv performing seriously as well as doing a lot of crazy antics. Sort of reminded me of the Monkees and their silliness but not quite to that extent.

Hi Everyone!
Hmmmmmm! AMERICA opening for Sheryl Crow ~~ WOW! I would love to catch that show for sure, that girl sure can sing and play the guitar with the best of them. I'll bet she could even join in with Gerry & Dewey on some of our great AMERICA songs and make for some real nice harmonizing. I heard her sing a duet with Old Willie and boy did she make him sound goooooood! Hey Jim ~~~ This would be one show you wouldn't miss~~ I bet:) Nice thought Huh! :)
Regarding Hat Trick ~~~ What a song! I would love to hear Dan Gerry & Dewey sing it again for sure~~~but since this will not likely come to be. I suggest Jeff Larson, or Timothy B Schmit, and Red I agree Chris Cross would be good for this too. I am here listening to Hat Trick now and I can never get enough of it for sure. This one stays with you and I am many a times walking around singing ~~~~ Just a little of nothing thats all you had the time to give, ain't gonna make it worthwhile for me ~~~ If you'd only had listened you'd a heard every word that I said ~~ Just a little of nothing ain't gonna make it worthwhile for me , just alittle of nothing, just a little of nothing, just a little of nothing...Newton under Roseberry topping,and it's cold and it's wet and you feel like you are a part of all time~~~~Living in the gap between the echo feeling it hot and feeling it cold.... as long as there are fish in the sea have a cup of tea, cause you are running from the ring of the golden bell like a bat out of hell. ~~~ I could just sing the whole song what a classic! ~~~~ I can't read the pages I've already read, and I can't feed these ages left in my head they are already dead~~~~
Thanks for the trip down Memory lane Red~~~ Steve Miller Band & Paul Revere and the Raiders~~~ A friend of mine just saw Paul Revere & the Raiders just last week in a show, of course David Lindsay is no longer with them but she said it was good. And who could forget ~~~ I'm gonna fly like an eagle~~ the music artist Seal did a remake of this song and it is good too.
~~~~~ Dance with me I want to be your partner, can't you see, the music is just starting and I am falling, Dance with me, Fantasy could never be sooo kiling, so dance with meeeeee, Let it lift you off the ground , starry eyed and love is all around ~~~ I can take you where you want to gooooo! See Ya ~~ Nancy :)

Has America EVER performed this song live?
I heard it live. You are right it was awesome.

I stand corrected again, you are right. Tomahawk and the bow and knife is right.

One of these nights,
One of these crazy nights.

What a remote quote, Red Oak. Bravo for you. I always thought they were saying, "Tomahawk and the bow and knife." Hmm. Not sure, of course. Anyway, I've always loved that song. Thanks for the memory.

Ladd,

I'll start with my post, 23307. What I said was,

<<To make the statement that, "It seems that people have a real problem with anything that is remotely critical of America", Just isn't accurate. Do you read every post that is posted here? There have been plenty of "critical" posts just within the last few months. Most are tempered with wisdom and tact>>

Is there anything inaccurate with what I said in this post? Yes there have been other critical comments, in the past, regarding song content, and song writting, as well as album content, and production. The weakness of individual songs and song content has been discussed here on numerous occasions. Even the decision to bring George Martain on board, has been viewed by some here as a mistake. I know that at this point you probably won't believe me, but I had no problem with your initial criticism of Dewey. I will explain later. Once again, I am running out of time this morning. One more thing before I go. I also said, concerning other critical posts,

<<Most are tempered with wisdom and tact>>

You said,

<<And how did my own posts lack in "wisdom and tact"? Please, tell me.

I didn't say that your posts lacked in wisdom and tact. Was I implying that they did? Yes, some of them, but not all of them. I do have to go now. I do want to reiterate what I said earlier. I had no problem with your initial criticism of Dewey. Be back later. Have a good day Ladd, and all.

I'm sure someone on this folder has heard "Hat Trick" performed back in the 70's as part of the concert list. To hear that song would just about make my life complete. Too bad, it never will happen.

Took away our ways of life,
Tomahawk and the Bowie knife.

Has America EVER performed this song live? If so, did anyone here ever catch a concert when they did? If so, you are an extremely blessed human being. I'll admit it: I would want live tap-dancing to round that whole masterpiece off!

That's my favorite America song and I wish they had gone on to write a song as a trio on every successive album (with each of them contributing on lead vocal, of course).

-LE

Who could sing "Hat Trick" with Dewey & Gerry today? I think maybe Andrew Gold or Chris Cross. Who has some ideas. Maybe we could get that song on the playlist for future listening. Just a thought.

Really like your peaches, want to shake your tree.

What a coup that would be if America could open for Sheryl Crow. It would give them exposure to a huge audience. Too bad.

KevinS.

Sorry, for the duble post. America is in Wabash, Indiana on 9/28 and not with Kansas.

Checked on Pollstar for Sheryl Crow tour dates and she is in Reno on 9/28, but with Michelle Branch as an opener. America is in Michigan that day with Kansas. Sorry.

Checked on Pollstar for Sheryl Crow tour dates and she is in Reno on 9/28, but with Michelle Branch as an opener. America is in Michigan that day with Kansas. Sorry.

Any chance I can get to see them is fine with me...although I would MUCH rather see them as headliners...the LONG show....with All My Life...it's been almost a year since I've seen them live...

Erin :o)

That would be like The Eagles opening for Brittany Spears.

I heard from a friend today (who heard it on VH1) that America will be opening for Sheryl Crow....anyone know if that's true? Hope so, cause she will be in Reno in Sept....

Erin :o)

<<But, I must say this, too: I think the statements you made regarding Michael McD as "an elderly hobbitt" and Woodz looking "creepy" (your girlfriend's term actually) and "55 going on 85," doesn't help you out any. I do realize you intended those remarks for Brad instead of Woodz. Nevertheless, many here, I'm quite sure, viewed those remarks as personal attacks and, therefore, saw whatever else you had to say as being tainted from that point on. That's just my personal opinion, though.>>

That's fine. I neither intend to silence my girlfriend or lose my sense of humor (either about others or myself), so if that precludes you from hearing what I have to say, so be it. And taking that single remark about McDonald--and not acknowledging the absolutely glowing things I had to say about his voice and his performance--is ridiculous, I'm sorry.

<<I don't believe the two quotes necessarily back-up your stance regarding Dewey's guitar playing ability (or lack of in your opinion). It does tell us about how Dewey views his OVERALL musical ability compared to Gerry's. I don't think that was ever an area of debate. However, it doesn't mean Dewey is less a guitarist than Gerry is, IMO. We all know Gerry plays the harmonica and the piano and Dewey doesn't. That's fine. Just check-out Dewey's songwriting ability on all of AMERICA's LPs especially the first one!>>

I think Dewey himself would probably tell you that Gerry IS a better guitarist. I think you can watch the MusikLaden video and determine that pretty quickly. Certainly, seeing a live show nowadays, it is even more clear, in my mind.

Dewey's quotes don't support EVERYTHING I said, no. But they support quite a bit--particularly all my comments on the heart of musicianship in this band really residing in Gerry and Dan during that era. His admission that Gerry works much harder at his craft also suggests that he doesn't have as much taste for that end of the business--and this attitude might certainly lend itself to a scaling down of his role on guitar over time (though I have said repeatedly I won't know this for sure until I can compare Musikladen to a more recent video).

As for his songwriting, you're right on the money. When you sit down on guitar and try to play a Dewey or Gerry song, you can tell the difference right away (in terms of complexity). But what's amazing about Dewey is that he can take 4 chords and make the most memorable song you'll ever hear out of just those 4. The guy has/had unbelievable soul and a lot of what he said about the music being just a kind of backdrop for the feeling he wanted to convey makes a great deal of sense in lieu of everything I observed on the albums, on MusikLaden, at the recent show.

And again, thank you for putting you up. No matter what your intentions, that's the kind of reply my original post called for right off the bat--a serious analysis of the arrangements/musicanship in the band. And why not go directly to the primary evidence itself--quotes from the boys? Bravo.

-Ladd

Has anyone else noticed that when Dewey or Gerry mentions "A Horse With No Name," they often don't include the "A" at the beginning of the song title?

You can see an example of this by going to the "Songs" section on the home page and clicking on the song title. Next, scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see that very cool drawing and the lyrics handwritten by Dewey. Another example of the song title without the "A" is the quote in my previous message #23306. I've also seen an item on eBay signed by Gerry where he wrote "Horse With No Name" on the item...a bass guitar.

I wonder why that is? I just think it's a bit interesting. I see that SteveL was it listed in the "Songs" section with and without the "A". I see on various America CDs, the song is listed either way. But again, I just think it's interesting that D&G mention the song without the "A" probably more times than not. I'll have to take notice more often now, plus I'm interested in going back to see how Dan has addressed the song title in his bio episodes.

When Taylor's spring issue of Wood & Steel magazine came out I noticed a couple of problems with the article and I wrote to them and let them know about it. They were very gracious and wrote back to me accepting responsibility for the mistakes. In the current issue of Wood & Steel my letter and their response have been included in their Q&A section. JimNak was kind enough to send me a copy of the page from the magazine which I have included below:

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I thought it was very kind of them to include my letter and their reply.

"Uncle Joe Benson posted the following on the Arrow 93 webpage:
America Says Merry Christmas
America has announced their first Christmas collection set for release later this year. "Holiday Harmony" will feature 13 tracks -- standards like "White Christmas," "Winter Wonderland" and "Frosty the Snowman," as well as three holiday-related originals.

Outstanding Johnny! I stand corrected! Guess I should have re-read my box set to check it out! Oh well,I was at least half right. Carlton does play on that LP,but that solo of Dans is something to behold!

<<...that solo of Dan's is something to behold!>>

I sure agree with you there, Steve. I think that's what makes the song...at least it does for me. I really like Dewey's "Political Poachers" too! The alliteration is very cool!!!

Outstanding Johnny! I stand corrected! Guess I should have re-read my box set to check it out! Oh well,I was at least half right. Carlton does play on that LP,but that solo of Dans is something to behold!

In the "Highway" booklet, here is what Dewey said about "Are You There": "That was always a song that I liked. It's got an interesting rhythm, with these stops and starts. The lyric was based on a confusing time -- our lifestyles had changed immensely, with a lot of chaos, a lot of touring, a lot of developing relationships. We had done a tour that had somewhat inspired this song. This was in '76, and we had to cancel it, because everybody had fatigue and voice problems. A lot of people were upset, and a lot money was lost. I think Dan's lead guitar solo on that track was one of the best he ever did."

I may have to stand corrected on that. In the "Harbor" liner notes,
Larry Carlton appears as courtesy of abc/blue thumb records. Not sure,but for some reason I thought Carlton was doing that guitar solo on "Are you there". I see Howard made a reference to it as well,but I may have to dig a bit further into that. Either way,"Are you there" is,in my opinion,one of the better tracks on "Harbor". Regarding "God of the Sun",I have the original 45 from when that was issued to radio,but I was never a big fan of that song. Just goes to show you we all appreciate different things and some songs mean more to others!

ON the Harbor documentary video, they show Dan playing the solo
on are you there. FYI!

Hi SteveO; I'm curious to your comments regarding the Larry Carlton guitar interlude on ARE YOU THERE. Are you meaning he did the guitar solo? I understand its Dan who did, so am I misinterpreting your post? Funny how, even though we all have the same taste in loving AMERICA, our ideas of what songs are stronger than others can differ so much. I think GOD OF THE SUN is one of the stronger tracks on this album. Funny also, that in my couple of years on this folder, I believe HARBOR has been a topic of discussion more than any other album. I like it too.

Ladd (and everyone else) ~ Just for the record, I didn't post the quotes that I did in my two last postings to "supply" one side or the other with "ammo". Personally, I've intentionally tried to stay on the sidelines of the controversy; I don't need to be involved in another one! :0)

But, I must say this, too: I think the statements you made regarding Michael McD as "an elderly hobbitt" and Woodz looking "creepy" (your girlfriend's term actually) and "55 going on 85," doesn't help you out any. I do realize you intended those remarks for Brad instead of Woodz. Nevertheless, many here, I'm quite sure, viewed those remarks as personal attacks and, therefore, saw whatever else you had to say as being tainted from that point on. That's just my personal opinion, though.

I don't believe the two quotes necessarily back-up your stance regarding Dewey's guitar playing ability (or lack of in your opinion). It does tell us about how Dewey views his OVERALL musical ability compared to Gerry's. I don't think that was ever an area of debate. However, it doesn't mean Dewey is less a guitarist than Gerry is, IMO. We all know Gerry plays the harmonica and the piano and Dewey doesn't. That's fine. Just check-out Dewey's songwriting ability on all of AMERICA's LPs especially the first one!

<<Dewey said, "Gerry works really hard, he's a musician all the way round. I don't feel myself to be a round musician as such because I'm not a reader and I don't play piano; the music portion of it flows so much more with him.">>

Great quotes, Johnny. Thanks for digging these up. This was EXACTLY the kind of thing I was looking to find (out) when I made my post following the concert the other week. And it jibes with what I concluded (regarding the make-up of the band in terms of musicianship) after seeing them perform on MusikLaden and then all these years later in 2002.

Thanks.

-Ladd

"I relate more to the words - it gets to be more of a prose, or poetic thing, and music is just sort of something floating on it. But it comes back whenever we rehearse and I see people who 'know' music. I find that Jimmy Calire will come up and say, 'You know, Dewey, at least three of your tunes in the set are all jamming out in the key of B, and we can't put them together.' It's true, I'll use open tunings and find myself just finding out a different way to finger the same A-minor or something."

Dewey said, "Gerry works really hard, he's a musician all the way round. I don't feel myself to be a round musician as such because I'm not a reader and I don't play piano; the music portion of it flows so much more with him."

Yeah man. Willie like the other members of AMERICA are multi-talented, multi-faceted players. Willie's favorite instrument is the drums, he grew up w/his father playing the drums also. Like father, like son. By the way, Michael Woods can slam the ivories really nicely also. All this musical knowledge in the band works to add to the depth & breadth of their playing. The proof is in their live shows !

Just guessing that neither one of them ( Gerry or Woodsy) can play drms like Mr Leacox!

I think Dewey said he wrote "People In The Valley" on a piano. So, I guess he does dabble in it a bit.

KevinS.

i reread the 'in the beginning' series written by barbara bickmore & jim nakao. very interesting. should be required reading for all serious america fans. willie has a four year degree in music, majoring in piano, from washburn university in topeka, kansas. ...so can anyone shed any light on why willie doesn't do any keyboards (at least at any of the live gigs that i've seen). keyboards are always done by gerry & woodsy. also, does dewey play the piano?

Ladd,

I'm not ignoring your last few posts. I will respond later, as I must get to work this morning.

<<and from that you infer he's insulting you? I am sorry I just don't see it.>>

Alright, Robyn. One more time. Kevin defends my right to post critically and says many people around here seem to become angry whenever says something even remotely critical of America. Vic says that is false, that there are critical posts around here (none of which he cites) and "most are tempered with tact and wisdom," the clear inference being that some are not and--refuting Kevin's argument--mine was not one of them. This is supported by several other posts from Vic on the topic of my posts in which he's mocked me or made sarcastic remarks ("Wow, I can't wait 'til Ladd sees another American concert video so we can get another long post about it..." and whatever else). Even Pat B. got into the mix during those and told Vic to give my views a fair shake.

You know all this. I don't see why you're denying it.

I don't mind someone taking shots at me repeatedly...as long as they back them up and address my arguments.

-LE

and from that you infer he's insulting you? I am sorry I just don't see it.

<<Where is the last post does he use the word "legitimate"? I guess I missed it.>>

The quote marks around legitimate are mine (used to describe non-controversial, praising posts that are socially acceptable to all on this list). The ones around "tempered with wisdom and tact" are his.

-LE

Where is the last post does he use the word "legitimate"? I guess I missed it.

Good Morning All~~
Wow I had a lot of posts to catch up on!
First of all~~ Thanks SteveL for posting the Jeff L interview
Thanks Steve O & Jeff L~~~ I really enjoyed the interview, alot of interesting insight in there. Sooo nice to hear Jeff has a whole notebook of song lyrics written~~~can't wait to hear some more of them! I love the fact that he says that Gerry's song All My Life should be Kept Alive~~ Yes Yes Yes! I also will be checking out the song Rocket once it is available to do sooo! I also agree with Jeff about REM & Losing my Religion ~~ Has always been a favorite of mine, soooo neat all the music artists that helped influence your music style~~ no wonder I am hooked on your music already! You have combined alot of these great artists touch to Your Own Style and Wow! I really like the Outcome. Now for the big question ~~ What can I do as a fan of Jeff's to help get his music exposed to the radio air play? I don't want to give them my CD, but I would gladly call and mention him and see if any of the radio stations around here would take the Bait. I feel Jeff's music would definitely be liked on the radio station I listen too. Let me know what I can do~~ Okay? Thanks again ~~~ and JeffL I hope to hear more from You!

Hi Johnny~~~ Wow I am soooo surprised to see Gerry was the Printer~~WOW! I would have never figured that. Sooo Dan was in the typing club~~ Okay! Hmmmm does kinda make sense Dewey in the student council ~~~ I have always liked the song Political Poachers, but wondered what it was really all about! Thanks Johnny, I sure do love your trivia questions! Lots of Fun!

Hi Steve O~~~~ Great Job on the Jeff L interview! Reading your post on Harbor, You & I agreee on these great songs, you have picked my favorites from there. I sure have listened to this album alot over the years....
Hey Genevieve~~~~~Have you listened to the new Jeff L CD yet~~~ I would love to hear what you think of it! Take care my traveling friend, hope to hear from you soooooon!
Thanks Mary~~~ for telling me which songs Bruce sang ~~~ I just heard The Rising on the radio last night here....
Hey Nina~~~ So neat that Gerry answered your question about the Christmas Jingle~~~ would be neat to hear it!
Hi Kevin S ~~~ Sooo neat that you saw the first Cayman show, you hit it exactly when you said that you hope the new Cayman show will capture the incredible sound just between the 2 of them ~~~~ that is what I am sooooo looking forward to hearing on this CD~~~I will be in AMERICA heaven for sure!
Have a good day all~~~~~changing colors~~changing dreams ~~ trying hard to find ~~ comfort in these empty rooms~~ Sing it Jeff L~~~
Nancy :)

<<Read it again. He says that MOST POSTS were tempered with wisdom and tact. Not a word about you personally.>>

I think you need to read it again, Robyn. Vic was responding to a message from Kevin that supported my right to say what I said, to have a critical thought. Vic notion's that there have been "legitimate" critical posts on this board in the past, that have been, in his words, "tempered with wisdom and tact," was a bat-over-the-head obvious inference that mine was not--an opinion he has made clear on numerous other occasions in attacks on me.

-LE

Read it again. He says that MOST POSTS were tempered with wisdom and tact. Not a word about you personally.

Johnny,I pulled out "Harbor" last night and gave it a relisten. "Are you there" is definatly one of its best tracks,and the guitar interlude with Larry Carlton really adds to that song! Dewey's "Political Poachers" is another favorite of mine. Of Gerrys material,"Sarah" and "Sergeant Darkness" are the best,and of Dans stuff I really enjoy "Slowdown","Don't cry baby" and "these brown eyes". No Earth changing material,just a fun and enjoyable pop LP!

<<There have been plenty of "critical" posts just within the last few of months.>>

Just out of curiosity, Vic, what were they? The only ones I can think of in my history on this board are things like "I like _____ album better than _____ album." If that's critical thought, scholars all over this planet are in desperate trouble...

And how did my own posts lack in "wisdom and tact"? Please, tell me. Like Hardtosleep and Moser, you're great at bashing me personally without addressing a single point I ever made substantively. Is that your own demonstration of "wisdom and tact"?

-LE

This teacher got a zero on that one. I never was good at matching quizzez :(. Thanks Johnny for Trivia. Will there be a make up exam?

To make the statement that, "It seems that people have a real problem with anything that is remotely critical of America", just is not accurate. Do you read every post that is posted here? There have been plenty of "critical" posts just within the last few of months. Most are tempered with wisdom and tact.

SteveO, your mention of Dewey's "Are You There," has me thinking you and everyone here would probably enjoy what Dewey had to say about one of his songs from "Harbor".

Dewey said, "'Are You There,' on the 'Harbor' album was one of my real strong songs. That's kind of a good example because the tour, and it was half way through the tour, and through physical abuse, basically, and some natural illnesses, we had to cancel. Daniel was one of the 'illees,' Gerry was sick too, and I felt this sort of 'coitus interruptus' of the tour. You know, you just start rolling and WHAM! the tour is cancelled! So I came home and wrote the song...and that just came out at one sitting. The best tunes always kind of fall out. 'Horse With No Name,' I don't think I changed a word of that, and 'Ventura Highway' was a similar case."

Thanks LisaRose and Nancy for being daring enough to play!

Robyn, I hope you'll play next time. I know how much you use to enjoy playing AMERICA triv before.

In my dealings with Jeff Larson,it was interesting to note how much the America Back catalog has meant to him,especially with regards to "Harbor",an LP that has taken more than its fair share of lumps here on the chat site over the past year or so. Obviously it means something to somebody,and not just Jeff. I've always liked the "Harbor" LP,even moreso than "Hideaway". I thought the ballads like "Sarah", "Don't cry baby","Sergeant Darkness" and "These Brown eyes" were very gentle and easy going tunes for Gerry and Dan,and then you always have Dewey to stir things up with his mix of words,names and colors on such tunes as "Are you there?" and "Political poachers". Ok,so not every song on the LP is good("God of the Sun" is the weakest cut in my opinion)but I'm standing up for "Harbor". Sure,sales were weaker on this,and there weren't any Top 40 singles off of it,but that never mattered to me. I've never viewed "Harbor" as a waste of time,and yet I get the impression from some of the members here that the LP is strictly 'throwaway' material.
You couldn't be more off base.

Dan is in the Typing Club. Gerry was the Printer. Dewey was a member of the Student Council!

The more I learn about Dew, the more I see he and I have some past and present common interests...high school student council, a love for wildlife (not "wild life"...lol), memorabilia collecting, and maybe even the JFK assassination???

No please reveal the answer. I couldn't even hazard a guess at this time. No need to keep everyone hanging just for me!

...for fun ANYWAY.

Nina ~ It would be cool, I think, if you could dub SteveL a copy of that Gerry-sound-alike Christmas jingle (if you still have your copy of it) and then Steve could perhaps link it up so all of us here can hear the song too! I'm just very curious to hear the song myself. Maybe one of us can detect who that singer actually is.

Kevin ~ Very clever subject title. I like it!

Robyn ~ If you'd like, I'll wait until you have time to take a stab at the trio's senior year club/orginazation membership triv question. Really no need to to "research" the answer since it's all just for fun anywhere.

Been too busy to give it the proper thought and research. BTW, Johnny, I got your mail. Thanks.

After listening to Homecoming, which is America's second album, I got to thinking about how great of a songwriter Dewey is, and about recent discussion on Dewey that Ladd brought up, and how it seemed to really piss off a lot of people. It seems that people have a real problem with anything that is even remotely critical of America. I can understand loyalty, but not blind loyalty. While I may not agree with him, I respect his right to have an opinion. If he's wrong, then he looks foolish. Which is something everyone does from time to time. And if he's right, it might light a fire.

But I will say this in defense of Dewey and to shed further light on the subject. I was at the Cayman Islands show (the first one). It was
just Dewey and Gerry and their acoustic guitars (and Gerry on piano
occassionally). Dewey HAD to pull his weight because it would be very
apparent if he didn't. And he did. He was jamming all night long. In
fact, the sound that came out of just the two of them was incredible.

I hope the CD from the Cayman show captures that.

I remember a few years ago I wondered aloud if America shows were too
short at times. Of course, people didn't like hearing that either.

Oh well. Keep the opinions coming. If they're done in the right spirit, that's the American way.

KevinS.

Thanks to Erin Edwards, and Gerry, for the prompt response! The mystery of the Christmas jingle has finally been solved for me...after 23 years of thinking it "might" be Gerry, it's not.

Hey, Gerry, maybe you can sue the culprit that imitated you and build a nice cabanna to go with your Janet Jackson swimming pool!?!?

Thanks again to both of you!

Thanks to Erin Edwards, and Gerry, for the prompt response! The mystery of the Christmas jingle has finally been solved for me...after 23 years of thinking it "might" be Gerry, it's not.

Hey, Gerry, maybe you can sue the culprit that imitated you and build a nice cabanna to go with your Janet Jackson swimming pool!?!?

Thanks again to both of you!

Very good...

Jeff B.

SO: There's a lot of focus on your music via the America Fans chat site, due to the fact of your work with Gerry and Dewey. I know a lot of fans are drawn to the new CD thanks to Gerry giving you his song "Norman", and the fact that he played and Sang on it too. Can you talk about your relationship with the guys, and how the recording of "Norman" came to be?

JL: I guess ever since I recorded Gerry's "Annabelle" I've been coming backstage at some of America's west coast dates and always tended to talk about this stuff. I did the song "Halfmoon Bay" early on and was fortunate Dewey was able to add some vocals. That's a tune I started way back, but never finished until I recorded it for this current project. It had such an obvious America vibe, that having Dewey on there makes it "legitimate" to me. I have others from different periods like that as well. "Norman" (for the architect Norman Bel Geddes) was a song I heard at my first concert experience and I always remembered the chorus melody. As you probably know America never officially recorded the song so I asked about doing it and Gerry was receptive and wanted to be a part of it. Gerry had it all worked out and was very supportive throughout the process of recording of "Norman" and in general. I love the subject matter and the imagery. It's an original piece and a little daring for that time since people probably expected his ballads to always be love songs.

SO: "Fragile Sunrise" has already been released in the U.S., but is taking on another life in Europe and Japan, with later release dates and additional bonus tracks. I've noticed that lots of Japanese releases tend to include "bonus" tracks not available to the domestic versions; that can be quite frustrating for "die-hards" who want everything, yet end up having to pay twice the amount of money when a disk is released later overseas. How does that process work in determining what extra tracks are added--or why do there have to be "bonus tracks"?

JL: I agree. They always have bonus tracks and it can be frustrating if you've already picked up the record, but as far as the artist is concerned, and in the case of "Fragile Sunrise", the album is 11 tracks. 1-11 is where my focus started and ends and is what I wanted to express. Japan, Europe, etc., always request something extra. My guess is to simply make a special edition there. In the case of the Japan edition of Fragile Sunrise, it was completely remastered, all new artwork, and 2 bonus tracks. The track for "Heavy Rain" and an unreleased outtake called "Rocket" - upbeat rock / pop thing. I plan to have "rocket" in its entirety put on the website to download.

SO: Is there any kind of Marketing agenda being done for the new disk, such as radio airplay? Has a first single been picked? Is "Norman" being readied as such a single?

JL: The radio promo for the record is the song "Faraway Mary". As far as "Norman" goes - still could happen... The three I hear about most are those two along with "Place where I belong". In Japan there is some marketing and promotion they're doing for the album. I believe they are also working on a website with bio, discography, Q&A and streaming audio, etc. There is also a chance "Room for Summer" and "Watercolor Sky" will be released with new packaging and bonus tracks there. I'll know more early next year.

In France with the Magic Records label, they are more a re-issue company. I am the only new artist on the roster. They release collectible packages like The Lovin' Spoonful, America, the Ventures, and many more from 1960-1990. It's an easygoing relationship for me there and they have been real supportive releasing a 2-CD set in the fall of 2001 and now the new one in 2002. Basicically, they are a fan of the music and have taken it on because of that reason. They mainly repackage and distribute it in Europe. I am talking with others as far as the U.S. (besides amazon, not lame music, and other online outlets), Canada, and Scandinavia. Still early with this - Independent releases take a while to gather steam. I'm fortunate that I had some support out of the gate which helped offset some of the cost and removed some of the burden.

SO: How did you come to decide that "Faraway Mary" would be the emphasis track/first single for the Japanese market? Was it a conscious decision to stay away from "Norman"? (By the way, "Faraway Mary" is an excellent song!)

JL: Not my decision what they pick there or what image they decide to promote for the record in general. The look of the record is very different in Japan, but that's ok. They are focusing on a west coast vibe or at least how they see that. Sometimes the longing for is better than the actual realized situation - even if it's a bit romantic to some. To me it's interesting how they see it.

SO: The CD is out now domestically, and is about to start up an overseas run. What's next for Jeff Larson? And, are there other projects in the works, or do you just see how "Fragile Sunrise" performs before you make that decision?

JL: Good question. I set out in 1997 to try and build a body of recorded work, so I know I will be going back at it soon enough, for my own mental health, and because I think I can do one better. I write a lot and have notebooks full of songs and song ideas. It's not cheap and is costly in more ways than one. "Fragile Sunrise" was my obsession for 14 months, but that's not a negative thing. I am at my most content during this process. I would also like to do live stuff in a steady capacity again. A bit rusty right now. From 1990 - 1998 that is all I did and the recordings then were poor to fair. Just after Watercolor Sky I decided to concentrate on my own material and try to get some decent recording of my songs. Basically I sought production help. I made some good friends in the process and am more satisfied now about things, but still incomplete.

In the Fall I plan on recording Gerry's "All My Life". It's good to keep that song alive. I could see other artists' covering it - male and female. It's like "I Need You" in that respect. I have some new songs too that I feel good about and so it weighs on me to put them down. I'm talking with John Sebastion about playing on one of the new ones and Teresa Bright, a traditional Hawaiian / jazz singer to guest on another. Jeffrey Foskett and I are also talking about doing some recordings as a duo soon. There are some other scenarios as well. I guess to sum up the answer; I have no plans to stop.

Thanks SteveO and JeffL for the great interview and wonderful insights. I'm looking forward to what the future will bring! --SteveL

Media personality Steve Orchard has followed up his Dan Peek interview with one more! Singer-songwriter Jeff Larson was gracious enough to take time out of his schedule to answer questions for Steve and the fans of the America Fans Chat Folder, and talk about his current CD "Fragile Sunrise".

Steve Orchard: "Fragile Sunrise" is your 4th official solo release, not counting compilations, right?

Jeff Larson: Actually I only count three solo albums - "Watercolor Sky (1998)", "Room for Summer (2000)", and "Fragile Sunrise (2002)". There were CD's and solo acoustic tours in Holland from 1994-1997. I don't include these as part of the discography because they fall short in production quality and performance. Most, not all, of this work is considered demo material. More recently I have begun to revisit some songs to re-record and re-arrange where they fit with newer material.

SO: "Watercolor Sky", "Room for Summer" and the current "Fragile Sunrise" are the 3 titles I'm familiar with the most. All feature great songwriting, and great vocals/harmonies. Your music is obviously influenced by acts like the Beach Boys, Eagles and America, and I've heard the term "West coast Pop/rock" branded to your music. Would that be a fair description of your sound, or does something else come to mind?

JL: Thank you for the kind words. I'm a California native and have always been influenced by both those surroundings and lifestyle to a degree, but the west coast pop/rock thing has always been a changing thing. Today that could apply to a band like the "Red Hot Chili Peppers". I get "breezy west coast" pop thrown towards it too - I'm not always sure what that means either. Anyway, I think there's been a slow evolution to the music these last few years. Regarding the Beach Boys, I only got into that body of work about five years ago and was really knocked out with Brian's stuff. Of course I've heard it in the background all my life, still it never captured my imagination until fairly recently.

When I did Watercolor Sky, with Jeff (Foskett) and Gary Griffin (former Beach Boy band members) producing, I was at the peak of really discovering that sound. You mix that with my own musical comprehension and songs, and you have that CD. I would say it's a very neutral record and almost a vacation for me. With "Room for Summer" I was just trying to please other people and so you have different styles and subject matter about other people and outside observations. I was listening to Marshall Crenshaw, and loads of power pop stuff - going through that whole retro thing and buying a lot of guitars. I was working with the very expensive theory that guitars have songs in them and so you look for sonic personalities in guitars. I've owned and own many guitars, because I find there to be some truth in that. Towards the end of "Room for Summer" when I did "Carol Ann", something clicked between Hank and I and I think that is what led to "Fragile Sunrise". Hank was instrumental in getting a lot out of me and gave me the kind of direction I needed. There is a tension in the sound of "Fragile Sunrise" that I think is healthy - it's probably the most complete so far and the most representative of me.

SO: Any reason why I haven't heard more about "Jeff Larson" with regards to radio play?

JL: Yes - the music business.

SO: I mentioned the Eagles, America and the Beach boys -- when I hear your music, that's what I'm reminded of. Over the years, what records influenced you?

JL: All of those, although the Eagles never really stuck with me for what ever reason - I know how great it all is, just never revisit it much. I've studied many songwriters over periods of time. Some of these are Bruce Cockburn, CSN, Burt Bacharach, America, Brian Wilson, Eric Clapton, Marshall Crenshaw, Elvis Costello. Early out of high School, when I was playing in a San Francisco club, I was helped by Elliot Mazer who saw me there and took me under his wing. He opened me up to artists he produced like Neil Young (Harvest), and Gordon Lightfoot (not a real obvious influence, but great melodies). Also bands like Los Lobos, Crowded House, NRBQ, Poco (with Timothy Schmit), all the Philly Soul stuff (Chi-Lites, Styliistics, Harold Melvin and the Bluenotes, etc), ELO, The Byrds, The Beatles and everyone influenced by them.

JVC Japan asked for my Top-5 of everything recently. That probably tells a lot so here's some of that: America "America" (self titled first CD) and "Hearts". These are a tie. Although I came to know America when they became a duo, I went back and picked up their back catalog. I remember when I first heard the first album; I was ready to take it back to the store because I didn't think it was finished because it was all acoustic. "Where are the drums?" of course over time it has become very influential to me and one I always seem to go back to. Hearts, Harbor, and Silent Letter were also very influential. I have to say I'm a real sucker for all their 80's stuff - full of good hooks! The Beach boys "Today" and "Pet Sounds". These two represent the peek of Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys to me. Both full of great sunny pop mixed with melancholy ballads. "Today" is where that tension started in Brian's music I think - at least where a whole album was concerned. "Pet Sounds" is the one where everything became ripe with emotion, expression, and sound. "Painted from Memory" Burt Bacharach and Elvis Costello. A great album full of weighty and well-written love songs of loss and remembrance. Real "heart on sleeve" singing and incredible music. Lucinda Williams "Car Wheels on a Gravel Road". A recent discovery of this great collection of songs. Roots music with melodic pop undertones. I admire her honest lyrical approach to songwriting. It gets better every time I play it. REM "Out of Time" I loved the arrangement of "Losing My Religion" and the melodies overall on this record. I think they have always been true to creating their own world with their songs and recordings. It's obvious they are not your 9 to 5 songwriter types working off familiar formulas. It's always real and "Out of Time" has some of their most solid songwriting. You're always discovering stuff from new, like Weezer - great hyper-creative band, to old stuff like the Lovin' spoonful - I never really realized how great a songwriter John Sebastion is.< br>
continued...

Nina - Gerry did listen your tape and asked me to let you know that although it does sound like him, it isn't him.

Thanks!

-Erin Edwards (Morey Management Group)

Hi all! Just catching up on the past week of news on the folder. My, my, you certainly miss ALOT when you can't log on daily! Bones...you get MY vote for "best attempt to lighten the mood"!

Haven't noticed if Gerry has claimed the Christmas jingle or not? Steve L...Next time you commumicate with him, can you ask if he has listened to the tape I gave him? Maybe it's NOT him at all, and he's amazed that I could believe that some corny rip-off artist was actually Gerry Beckly!?! But, I REALLY think it sounds like him!!!

He sang "The Rising" the first night, "Lonesome Day" second night.

Mary

<<Steve: Did Rhino give you an indication as to when they're going to release the reissued America and Hat Trick CDs. This month? This season? Before Christmas? Next year?>>

Kevin, The guys I talked to at Rhino don't seem to know anything about the release. They said that they only know about releases that are coming out within the next 3 to 4 months. Gerry is the one who gave me the information about the pending release so it must be further out than 4 months. Gerry also said that he would try to get more information for me from Rhino so I'll be sure to pass that along when I get it.

Hi Mary ~~
Thanks for letting me know your thoughts on Bruce's new album! I happened to catch him on the David Letterman show~~ He was sounding good, he looked a little bit worse for the wear, but I guess he has been going through a rough time. I didn't know that these songs were written in response to 911 though ~~ Interesting! I think he sang the song The Rising last night~~ not sure which song he sang the first night. They sounded really good though, when Dave asked him how he and the E Band were getting along these days he said we don't get along and never did, then laughed! Dave said that he had taken a couple of listens to the CD and that he really liked it and that it was nice to be taken back to Bruce's old days sound. Bruce said that he was really pleased with the outcome of this and that it only took 17 weeks to fully complete it.... My cousin has to be his best fan, she literally knows everything about him and, just like I have all of AMERICA's songs and know them by heart ~~ she is this way with Bruce's works! Hey thanks for posting, hope to hear from you more!
~~~~dadadadadaadadadada Dancing in the dark ~~~ I can see the video for this song as clear as day in my mind, Courtney Cox got her big break in this video..... Nancy :)

Nancy,
Still lurking.........In addition to being a HUGE America fan, I am also a HUGE Springsteen fan. His new album (showing my age) "The Rising" is great, most songs were written in response to 9/11. Takes more than one or two listens to realize the impact some of these songs will have, some very sad songs but also a great new rocker "Mary's Place", and a just plain fun song "Let's be Friends"

Mary

No, Nancy, I haven't given the answers out yet just in case anyone else would like to give it a shot. Robyn, you use to play America trivia all the time. Care to give it a whirl?

Hi Everyone ~~
I am kinda second guessing myself about this, Dan now, I think he may have been in the print shop and Dewey is in the student council and Yes Lisarose that sounds good that Gerry was in the typing club, because of his love for playing musical instruments.~~~sounds good that this would keep his fingers in shape for this.....
I sure hope Gerry & Dewey are enjoying some much needed time off with their families. Kinda sad though not getting any VFTHW pics to comment about! I sure am anxious as to when this Cayman CD will be released for sure......I am sooo ready to hear it!
Nice to HEAR from you Bruno~~~
Hey Mike ~~ I too miss the harmonizing from the earlier days, they sure had a nice way with this didn't they? I still think the A& E Live by Request show is the ticket for them to do a one time get together show..... Just think how nice that would be, and it is a private setting and the only thing bad would be trying to get through the busy phone lines to get the chance to have my request honored and maybe even get to talk with them some on air..... Hmmm they are every bit as popular as ~~ Kenny Loggins, James Taylor, Vince Gill and they are definitely in my books more popular than Tony Bennett!
~~~~~Ventura Hwy in the sunshine, where the days are longer , the nights are stronger than moonshine, you'll never goooo, I know wowowowowowowowoooo~~ cause the free wind is blowing through your hair
and the days surround your daylight there, seasons crying no dispair, aligators lizards in the air, in the airrrrrrr dodododoodododdoododododododododododo```` I could just sing the whole song wishing on a falling star, waiting for the early train........
Wow what nice harmonizing.... listening to the original Ventura hwy!
Bye for now, Nancy :) doododdodododododododododododododooooooooo

<<That is why you are the KING of Trivia Questions....">>

Lisa, that's not true but thanks. It's definitely easier to ask the questions instead of trying to answer 'em! As Nancy says, "For sure." :o)

As a side note, if I didn't already know the answer(s) to the trio's club/organization participation, I'd have guessed 2 of the 3 wrong!

Thanks for clarifying that "stupid" correction Johnny. That is why you are the KING of Trivia Questions and I am merely just a pawn :(.

Lisa ~ Arte Johnson from "Laugh-In" as the soldier? I'm thinking though he said, "Very interesting but stupid!"

(Hi Bruno)

A single concert is not a trial.
I think that Ladd had problem of sense of hearing (title of next album of AMERICA, in honour of Ladd, is "Hearing", with usual H)
Ciao Steve, Johnny, Genevieve, Ingrid and all friends of AMERICA.
bruno

"VERY INTERESTING BUT DUMB!!!" triv ques----whose quote is that?

Lisa ~ VERY interesting assessment!

Johnny,
Here is my guess... and it is only a guess...I think Gerry would be in the typing club--Perhaps to keep his fingers in shape for his great piano playing or there wasn't an instrument available so a type writer would do. I think Dan would have been in the student council as he seems to be the type that would have views and things that he would try to change, and that leaves Dewey as the printer. Uhm, maybe Dewey who appears kind of serious at times, thought "I'd better have something to fall back on just in case I don't succeed as a musician".

I lost a zero. More like 200 shows a year not 20.

Question for Ladd: If the hand of Old Man Took continued to beat air at the rate of 16 cycles a beat, 20 shows a year, for 30 years, what would be missing? Answer: His right hand.

For the last time
I watched Old Man Took bait his hook
And then throw his line
Pick up his wine

Luckily Old Man Took is still tickling the strings and my ears. Hopefully August 24th will not be for the last time. I do see what you mean by the MusikLaden Show versus today in a sense. You also see it in the Central Park concert of 1979. I see it, but my ears do not detect a lot of difference. What I miss is Dan's harmonies, guitar, harmonica, and musical influence. Not the flying hand.

<<The topic of discussion here is America, is it not? Therefore America's records, songs, lyrics, members (past and present), and concerts, etc., etc., are all fair game>>

Is this, now, the way you see AMERICA, as "fair game"?

Each member of the trio is represented in one of the following high school clubs or organizations during their high school senior year.

Who belonged to the Typing Club; who to the Student Council; and who to the Print Shop?

(Thanks Nancy for the explanation to your answers!)

Hi Johnny~~ You find my answers interesting ~~ Hmmmmm!
The reason I said Dan was in the Typing Club is because it came to my mind, I have been reading his Bio Chapters Off & On and well, I love to type and could just sit here for hours typing and when I am reading his bio, I get the same feeling about him, so that is why I said Dan for the typing club, although I may have read it too.
Now my reason for saying Gerry was in the Student Council~~ I think I definitely read this too somewhere here in the America History or maybe it was mentioned in a Fan Bio, I am just recalling seeing it somewhere.
Hey there Jimmmmmmm~~~ You and I were on at about the same time! Nice to see your post, and what great songs you are listening too. I definitely could handle a whole CD made up of all those Gems! Sooo Nice. Hope to talk some soon!
Political Poachers is playing here now ~~~~ I started walking thinking only of you, I'm thinking only of You, walking down the road past the people that I barely know, round the ben to the runoff wash, I found a feather that a quail had lost~~~~~ Nancy :)

Saturday afternoon here in NZ and Im listening to HUMAN NATURE. Such good tracks here; From A Moving Train, Wednesday Morning, Pages, you know the rest, and it reminds me yet again how good the new stuff is. Gerry's influence is all over this album; even Pages,which I had thought was 100% Dewey,has, on another listen, lots of Gerry. But, it comes down to the old and the new....Listening to this album now makes Sister Golden Hair and the other usuals, seem quite tired. I would love to see (hear, more like) an acoustic CD done of THE GEMS! And we know which ones they are....though it might be a really long CD!

Nancy ~ Very interesting answers to the Typing Club and Student Council triv! Can you tell us why you gave the answers that you did? I won't say for now if the two answers are correct in case anyone else cares to play. I hope that's okay.

Me Again~~
Hey Moser ~~~ Johnny must of been reading my mind when he said that maybe it is a train like Nancy said,I was taking a look at the Hideaway cover and thinking that it looked like a track with a train on it, although it kinda looked like the America emblem on this album also. They hadn't released any songs about trains yet so I went with the emblem first....Oh well Great Minds must think alike LOL!
The reason I thought you were a guy Moser is because I knew a boy in high school that had this as his nickname,so when I first saw your post on the venturahwy board, this came back to my mind and I just assumed you were a guy~~ You know one thing comes back to my mind though, and I don't know if you remember talking to me in the live chat one time back in the spring, and I had said that I had had a major crush on Gerry, and you said Me Too~~~ Now I did find that a strange answer at that time. So sorry again!
Regarding Another triv question~~~ I think it is Dan that was in the typing club, and Gerry was a member of the Student Council.
~~~ The Moon begins to rise upon my fallen eyes ~~ I'm taken back to Firelight~~~~~ Good Night All! Nancy :)

Sorry Moser, I thought I positively could see that it was a building but after you said "train," that "building" started forming tracks.

Okay, here's one I positively know the answer to: During their senior year at Central High School which of the three trio members was in the Typing Club and which was a member of the Student Council? The answer is two different people.

Sorry. Got side tracked fixing dinner for the fam damily. Duties, you know. Anyway, Johnny thanks for the train recognition. I had already posted that it had been me before I knew that you realized it. But it's probably not a train anyway so what does it matter, right? Time to do the dishes...

Knowing Andy, like I do...I bet he would love a concert like that in Oceanside...uhm, just one problem, I think it's in the wrong state!

Alright Johnny if you ask the question, you should know the answer. And besides, it was me who said train, not Nancy. Nancy said the America logo. Perhaps Steve L. knows for sure. It does look a bit like a building, perhaps the Lincoln Memorial in Wash. DC. Pretty farfetched for a young rock musician though if you ask me. Dewey, are you out there? Us obsessive-compulsive fans have a trivia question to settle. Do you remember the buckle? If so, what the heck was it? Enquiring minds NEED to know. (Admittedly pathetic but enquiring all the same!)

Oops, it was Moser who guessed a train not Nancy. Sorry Mose!

It initially appeared to me to be a building on Dewey's buckle. I'm not so sure now since Nancy suggested it might be a train. It may possibly be an airplane, but I tend to lean toward it still being a building.

(Kim ~ Probably no AMERICA concert in store for me this year.)

Hey Andy, time for you to come vback to CA. The 9/6 gig in Oceanside lists both America and Al Stewart! Now if they could slip in Sarah M......

I really would like to know the source. I think it would make fascinating reading if it's all compiled in one place.

That's exactly what I thought...not again. Am still confused on what was or is on that buckle. Maybe, I misunderstood...please xplain Johnny. What exactly is on Dewey's buckle

Confucious say: Oh no, here we go again. Please, please, Ladd won't you write another mega-post so we won't have to go down the LIVE CHAT problem path again. My faint heart can't take it. Oh well, at least it's been lively around here lately. You could never say this group is boring. That's for sure.

nope just too tired to read posts and make the proper inference. Sorry to disappoint you but I am not interested in past disagreements I have moved on.

Sure sounds like "someone" is still po'ed at jy. Neither sided for or against EITHER party of a past live chat incident? Oh really now???

(Sigh)... Johnny never said that Jefferson Airplane obtained their name from that "practice". Read his post again.

Terry said: "No way!!!"

jy say: Way!!! :0)

Confucius say: "Johnny show Robyn much evidence in past. She believe what she want to believe."

Thanks for the info. Sounds right-on. Perhaps the drug community adopted the term from the group rather than vice versa.

Where did you get that info? According to their official bio, they got the name froem a fictional San Francisco musician, Blind Thomas Jefferson Airplane, sort of a rip on Blind Lemon Jefferson. Given their bent, I can't imagine that they wouldn't fess up to the drug connection. What's your reference source Johnny? I would love to see it.

Here's Johnny: <<Did you all know it's also a slang term for getting a used match and cutting it in half to hold a
small portion of a smoked joint?>>

No way!!! How dare you try to shatter my reverence for that rock group. Seems a belt buckle would have been more heat-proof. BTW, my apologies. "Caroline" is from a Jefferson Starship album, not Jefferson Airplane. They saw fit to change the name when over 33% of the founding members left or were forced out. Of course, later they reunited under the original title... unlike Firefall which has an agreement where whatever original member continues can have the name.

Moser said: "Once again, Red Oak, you crack me up."

Confucius say: Man or woman who fly airplane upside down (jefferson or otherwise) soon have crack up.

George would get a "Jefferson Airplane" everyday at work smelling the dry cleaning solutions.

TT said: <<...Jefferson Airplane* *A popular Bay Area group in the 60's-70's>>

Did you all know it's also a slang term for getting a used match and cutting it in half to hold a small portion of a smoked joint? No BS!

Nancy ~ Nice guess, but no, not the AMERICA emblem.

Moser ~ The item on Dewey's buckle isn't found on the back of a big Irish dude, but can be found on the back of a big Irish dudette. LOL

"29" is GLB's favorite number, I believe. He kindly answered that question after an AMERICA show. He said it was the first number (or word, perhaps) that he learned as a child. I believe he also said it was the number of his grandmother's address.

Red ~ Ding, ding, ding! You're right...our Pal Hal!!! Darn, you're good! :0)

TT ~ Very appropriate lyrics.

Once again, Red Oak, you crack me up.

<<Hint: The object on Dewey's belt buckle is NOT something found on the back of a big Irish dude. None that I know of, anyway :0) >>
Johnny, I've looked at my albums and I can't figure out what is on the belt buckle either. Maybe a train of some kind. But looking at the albums reminds me of two other things: 1) I've always wondered why Gerry wore the number 29 as a necklace. What is this number's significance? If you know, please tell. 2) The picture of Gerry on the cover of Hideaway is my absolute favorite of all time, so far. What a babe. Which leads me to 3) I'm an Irish dudette not a dude which is what I have inferred from your comment above. Was I correct? Don't feel bad if you thought I was a guy, Nancy thought so too. I'm not sure why she did but she did. As long as it wasn't based on meeting me in person and mistaking me for a guy, I won't be offended!!

A picture of Hal Lazareff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Call something paradise,
Kiss it good-bye

Oh what can I tell you now, Caroline
Should I hurt your feelings or keep on lyin'?
One thing leads to another and another
And another and another...

"Caroline" by Jefferson Airplane*

*A popular Bay Area group in the 60's-70's

Hi Johnny ~~~
I have tried to look at this belt buckle, but cannot really make it out at all on all three of the albums you mentioned. Soooo here is a just a guess ~~~~ Is it the AMERICA emblem by chance? I have one other guess too, but will try this one first. Thanks Johnny! :)
~~~~the heat was hot the ground was dry, but the air was full of sound~~~ Another hot one here~~~ off to the Pool now! Nancy :)

Hint: The object on Dewey's belt buckle is NOT something found on the back of a big Irish dude. None that I know of, anyway :0)

You all know that belt buckle Dewey worn so often in a number of AMERICA LP photos such as Homecoming, Hat Trick, and Hideaway? Can anyone tell us what's on Dewey's buckle? By that I mean what object is pictured on it.

Bite my fat Irish ass.

Have I told you I love you today?

Because I do...

Your buddy,

Ladd

PS If you want a hug, just say "I want a hug." I'm here for you.

Steve: Did Rhino give you an indication as to when they're going to release the reissued America and Hat Trick CDs. This month? This season? Before Christmas? Next year?

KevinS.

Hi Pat
So glad to hear that You like it. I find myself listening to it quite a bit. I don't have any of his earlier releases, but I have checked out the clips at melodyblvd.com, I plan on getting his Complete Works Album sometime. Keep on Enjoying~~~~ there's a day ahead to ride with an echo by myside as I catch the classic blue through a somewhat tinted view~~~~
Hi Ladd~~~ I do respect your feelings ~~~ but time to move on. Dewey, Gerry & Dan are all very talented and have earned where they are. I do feel they are entitled to be human and not meet everyone's expectations at all times. You say that not many days goes by that you don't come home from work and strum one of Dewey's songs on your guitars. Well then don't let this one time experience make up your mind like this~~~ give Him another chance and don't just focus on the movements of his hands~~ capture the whole essence of his performance, I think you will change your mind!
Hi Red ~~~ I heard from my friend and I had the days mixed up for the Kansas/LRB concert it is not this weekend it is next weekend. Will still let you know about the show Ok!
~~~ Celebrate Celebrate ~~Dance to the music~~
Nancy :)

Attention America Fans Chat Folder Participants: The chat folder has been renamed today to Ladd's Soap Box Chat Folder. Please make note of the change. Thank You.

<<"I know I can't wait for the next installment">>

Vic~

The topic of discussion here is America, is it not?

Therefore America's records, songs, lyrics, members (past and present), and concerts, etc., etc., are all fair game.

I'm sending Ladd copys of all my America videos.

I can't wait for the next installment either.

<<Music is a highly subjective topic. Differences of opinions will always happen.>>

Right on. Not only will they--they should.

<<I don't believe that Ladd's intention was to "insult" Dewey. Based upon Ladd's observations, I believe that he was giving his (presumably) truthful assessment of Dewey's recent live performance.>>

I'm not insulting him at all. The guy made be my single favorite songwriter of all time, alongside guys like McCartney, Lennon and the Frey/Henley duo. That says it all. I simply detected flaws in his performance 32 years after the release of the band's first album. That hardly erases the immense respect I have for all 3 of the guys over the course of their careers. This is obvious.

<<The key factor here is that this was Ladd's first America concert. I think that Ladd's expectations were too high because of the Musikladen video. In a sort of odd way, the America of 2002 were upstaged by the America of 1975.>>

The MusikLaden performance blows the performance I just saw out of the water and then shoots it with a scud as it's sailing through the air. Some of that is naturally attributable to aging, the loss of Dan, and (as you guys have noted) 30 years of playing the tunes. But there was more to it, it seemed, and that's what I was getting at.

<<I know that I'm assuming alot here, and that I could be mistaken, so Ladd please correct me if I'm wrong.>>

You're right on, point for point, and I appreciate you reading what I've had to say without pre-judging me. Thank you.

-LE

<<"YOU GUYS ARE GOD AND HAVE NEVER MADE A MISTAKE, I LOVE YOU!">>


The album "Your Move" was a mistake.

<<I'm just so glad I stopped by this chat board today so I could hear Ladd insult Dewey (for the fifteenth time); Hard to Sleep insult Ladd; Pat B insult Robyn but follow it with LOL to apparently lessen the intended sting. Hmm. I used to think of this as a bit of entertainment but it has become a dysfunctional family. I have my own dysfunctional family. Can't we be happy together here? Thank goodness for Bones and his form of comic relief. Play nice, kids.>>

Nothing dysfunctional about having a debate about whether opinions other than "YOU GUYS RULE, ARE PERFECT, AND HAVE NEVER ERRED" are healthy and acceptable, Moser. It upsets me that I have been attacked personally for having an opinion other than the above, but I'd do it again if I had to, and it's certainly good for this board. I can't believe that anyone would find 100% conformity preferable. That's boring beyond belief and eliminates any possibility of a real discussion. Sometimes you need to break an egg or two to make an omelette.

And I didn't insult Dewey anymore than I personally hurt that elder hobbit. Some people see that--I wish everyone did.

-LE

Thanks Nancy for recommending Jeff Larson's new CD. I've been listening to it for a week now. It's every bit as good as the other two CDs I have of his: Watercolor Sky and Room For Summer. ~Pat

<<Hey Ladd,
I bet it's safe to say that you've been taken off of Dewey's Christmas card list.>>

Ha ha ha... Ya' got me, Bones. But apparently people have forgot my past posts. Whoever read my review of HOLIDAY heard me glorify Dewey and come right out and say he owned that album. Y'all should ask my girlfriend about my bizarre obsession with "Old Man Took." Hardly a day goes by that I don't jam a Dewey song on my acoustic when I get home from work...

People hear seem to think liking a band is an all or nothing proposition. But that's bull and a fantasy. And I'd bet every last cent that if Dewey and Gerry were around they'd probably love to hear what I have to say and have an intelligent conversation about it, shed some light on the musical changes they've gone through. "YOU GUYS ARE GOD AND NEVER HAVE MADE A MISTAKE, I LOVE YOU!" must get pretty damn boring show after show...

-LE

Moser~

Music is a highly subjective topic. Differences of opinions will always happen.

I don't believe that Ladd's intention was to "insult" Dewey. Based upon Ladd's observations, I believe that he was giving his (presumably) truthful assessment of Dewey's recent live performance.

The key factor here is that this was Ladd's first America concert. I think that Ladd's expectations were too high because of the Musikladen video. In a sort of odd way, the America of 2002 were upstaged by the America of 1975. Also too, it seems that, according to Ladd, that America followed an outstanding musical performance by that "Elder Hobbit" guy. So that also may have contributed to Ladd's disappointment.

I prefer the kind of opinions (like Ladd's) that are sincere and honest.

I know that I'm assuming alot here, and that I could be mistaken, so Ladd please correct me if I'm wrong.

I would love to reschedule the in-laws! However, they are coming in so my husband can play golf with his Dad in a tournament that starts Wednesday and goes through that Saturday. Which, btw also eliminated my ability to get to the 9/11 concert in Lubbock. (Hey Johnny, are you going to be able to make that one?) Also, I don't complain too much about all of my dh's golf weekends, because he is pretty good about trading off and going with me to the out-of-town America concerts I want to see. (He is not a big concert fan).

Kim

Hey Moser, if you were glad about stoping by the chat folder today, and finding what you found, I know that you are going to be beside yourself with joy, once he gets another live videotape of the modern period and REALLY sees what Dewey is doing musically. I know I can't wait for the next installment.

Hi Everyone~~~
Hmmmmm~~~~ Just wondering if anyone here happened to catch any of Bruce Springsteen & the E Band's tv appearances the last couple of days? If so what are your thoughts on his new song Over the Horizon, I believe is the title of it.
Also has anyone here heard James Taylor's new song called On the Fourth of July ~~~~ And the tiny tin man on the radio saying Love must take a stand~~~ Nice song he still has his touch!
Also the artist John Mayer happened to come up the other evening in the live chat, and prior to this I kept wanting to mention him in my posts, He sure has a way with his singing and his lyrics. I first heard of him for his song ~~ Back in 83~~ from the movie Serendipity (I just love this movie and the songs in it) then I kept hearing a song on the radio and I thought wow that has to be the same guy singing this ~~~ No Such Thing is the name of this song ~~~~soooo nice ~~~~~~
All of our parent's their getting older, I wonder if they've wished for anything better, while in their memories tiny tragedies, they love to tell you stay inside the lines ~~ and somethings better on the other side I wanna run through the halls of my high school, I wanna scream at the top of my lungs~~~~~~~
Good Night Everyone ~~~ Nancy :)
~~~~~I feel like I could run away, looking at another day pulling the shades from my eyes ~~~~~ Some things are better left unsaid, some strings are better left undone, some words are better left unspoken~~~

I'm just so glad I stopped by this chat board today so I could hear Ladd insult Dewey (for the fifteenth time); Hard to Sleep insult Ladd; Pat B insult Robyn but follow it with LOL to apparently lessen the intended sting. Hmm. I used to think of this as a bit of entertainment but it has become a dysfunctional family. I have my own dysfunctional family. Can't we be happy together here? Thank goodness for Bones and his form of comic relief. Play nice, kids.

Regarding the in-laws: RESCHEDULE and head for Norman instead!!

Guess the credits on the Christmas CD will read:
Dewey Bunnell- Sleigh Bells & Air Guitar

Since getting "Guitar Man", my most played CD the past month; I've been through that 80 minute DAN PEEK AMERICA set you posted. Guitar Man has me focusing on the Dan Peek America songs and appreciating Dan's vocals and rocking contribution. Van Go Gan was by far my favorite America related CD. Peace was OK. To me, Bodden Town and Driften just did not compare to Van Go Gan. Now Guitar Man - this is by far my favorite Dan Peek set. I like that rocking feel. Van Go Gan, the feel good set. Guitar Man, the rocking set that gets you moving. I prefer both Dan and Gerry in America. But its great to have these solo efforts. I get to hear music that just would not happen as America.

Maybe Dan could do his solo thing on video, send his tracks over to America the duo to add their arrangements, harmonies, and their video angle. We could have America back together in virtual reality.

LOL! Nor Brad's!!!

Hey Ladd,
I bet it's safe to say that you've been taken off of Dewey's Christmas card list.

Red Rocks probably has the best accoustics of any outdoor venue in the US. That's what I hear from those that have attended a concert. I have not been there for a concert, so I can't verify their statements. A lot of entertainers consider Red Rocks the Cadillac of places to play outdoors. That says it all. Tx for asking.

I Can't Tell You Why

Hi.. In chat the other night, I had asked you a question but I think it was during one of the times you got dumped.. I had asked if you had ever been to Red Rocks for a concert. Alot of people seem to like that place and think it is one of the best outdoor venues. I know several who traveled there to see Fogelberg, and they really liked it. Just wondering.

Ladd, Ive been enjoying your posts. You are right; Musik Laden is fantastic! And yes, Dewey sure used to hunch over his guitar. If you can find a copy of Live in Central Park,from 1979, grab it. It is an amazing show, very very energised. The version of Sandman ROCKS, more than it usually does. I have a copy of a 1998 show from Equador, and Dewey's guitar playing IS definately more "subdued" than it once was.

I suggest you take the in laws---treat them to a night of good music!

I received a call from the Sooner Theater in Norman, OK letting me know that tickets for the America concert will go on sale Monday, August 5th. America is the only group performing and the person I spoke with was fairly sure they would be playing the long set. Tickets are $30-40. You can call (405) 321-9600 to order the tickets. Norman is only about a three hour drive from where I live, but unfortunately I won't be able to attend as my in-laws are coming into town. On the bright side,I do plan on getting to San Antonio for the show on 9/29. Just hate to go five hours when it could have been three!! Who am I kidding - if I'd been able to get to the Norman concert I'd still be going to San Antonio!)

Kim

Point taken but I was THIRTEEN at the time....

What I meant was that Ladd was disappointed. I was not disappointed, and being a fan of the band I would have wondered if they were having a bad night or if something else were going on. That's all I meant. and BTW yes I did decide to go to a LOT MORE concerts based on that first long ago show.

In other words; what I'm trying to say is that I think that Ladd has a right to his opinion. Of course, that's only MY opinion, and there maybe some people who might not think that I have a right to have one. But then again, that's just THEIR opinion! *LOL*

Tx for the response. I'm set to see them with America here in Denver on Sept 20.

One of these nights,
One of these crazy ol nights.

Robyn~ Please think back to your very first America concert. Did you form any kind of opinion of the band and/or of the concert by the end of the show?
Or did you say to yourself: "Gee, I'm not sure if I enjoyed this concert, maybe I should see America EIGHT more times, I'm sure by then I'll be able to form an opinion." *LOL*

Hi Red,
Yes I have seen Kansas in concert, although only one time and that was back in '98 I believe. They opened for Alan Parsons, and were out promoting the cd they had released at the time.
I was very impressed. In my opinion they were excellent..Lots of energy on stage, vocals crisp and clear, timing, everything. The mix of songs was more new tunes from cd then older ones, being the shorter opening act set..They played Dust in the Wind and knocked the socks off the crowd lol. I wasn't disappointed at all. I swear the keyboard/lead singer got an aerobic workout during that show lol..Geez he wasn't still for a minute! lol.. Now, I don't have any other shows of theirs to compare that one to, but I wasn't disappointed.
And Alan Parsons was astounding!.. Was a great evening all the way around. Great music, perfect weather,(small outside venue)and good crowd.

Well Pat, I believe you can't base it all on one concert. Everyone is entitled to an off night , an aching hand or whatever. I mean no disrepect to his opinion, as we all have the right to voice our opinion. I was just suggesting that before he makes any judgement he see them again. One more will do.

Robyn~ In your opinion, how many concerts does Ladd need to see before his opinion is validated?

Could the answer be:
"As many times as it takes until his opinion is the same as yours"?

hmm, In answer to John and whoever else might be wondering, a "group listen" is just that, at the appointed hour everyone gathers around their pcs and begins to listen to their copy of the cd at the same time. Someone, usually me, will tick off the song as it comes up I do this incase someone doesn't have the cd or can't play it near the computer. As the songs come up people comment on the song what parts we love or to point out a riff or phrasing. It's a lot of fun, so I hope people will come in for it.

To Ladd, see another concert before making any clearcut statemenats about Dewey's playing or lack thereof.

Has anyone else noticed this, to agree or disagree with what Ladd saw?

Have you seen Kansas in concert ever, if so, could u elaborate on your impression. Tx

Peaceful easy feeling

<<(and it would explain the magic, earthy voice)>> not to mention those mesmerizing eyes lol (sorry, ladies point of view there :-)

Wow..3 surgeries. brutal.. hope the 3rd time was the charm and the leg is healing or has healed well so you don't have to go that route again. My younger brother went through something like that with an ankle.

<<I personally don't care if Ladd thinks that Michael McDonald resembles an "elder hobbit", who knows, maybe Michael McDonald IS an elder hobbit! *LOL*>>

Tolkien would have seen it as a tremendous compliment (and it would explain the magic, earthy voice)! Heck, I'm a balding, gimpy guy who's had 3 surgeries on a broken leg in the space of the last year. By the time I hit Mike McD's age, I'll be lucky not to look like a more twisted version of Gollum!

-LE

PS: Keep writing Ladd, I enjoy reading your opinions even if there are others who don't. ~Pat

Ladd and Hardtosleep each have their own opinions, and I respect each for having them. However, it seems to me that the difference between the two is that while Ladd is expressing his opinions about America and it's music, Hardtosleep is focusing his opinions on Ladd and Ladd's opinions.

I personally don't care if Ladd thinks that Michael McDonald resembles an "elder hobbit", who knows, maybe Michael McDonald IS an elder hobbit! *LOL*

<<I skirted around the issues that bothered me in order to not repeat what I found distasteful.>>

You attacked me personally without addressing a SINGLE issue I brought up about the music.

<<I don't have time to look for your quotes right now, but for example you said something to the effect of maybe Dewey's heart isn't in it anymore. I think that is an unfair statement.>>

Alright. Why do you think that? Where did I get it wrong in my assessment? Tell me, like Mike just did... This is what starts an intelligent conversation, two or more people addressing each other civilly and sharing their thoughts. That's what I'm here for.

<<Sure, you're entitled to your opinion. You've stated it...everyone has heard it. Let's move on.>>

What is this obsession with thought control? Are you being forced to read my posts? If you don't like them--if you are unable to look at something you love with a critical eye without feeling like the world is falling apart--then simply ignore my messages and never open them.

It's really that easy. But don't try to direct, prevent, or harass my opinions and pretend to be noble.

-LE

<<Don’t know where Ladd was sitting, but I have sat right up front and watched both Dewey and Gerry from about 10 feet back in concert and on the MusikLaden DVD several times. Sure looks like Dewey still does the lead rhythms on his signature songs to me: Riverside, Ventura Highway, Tin Man, Three Roses, Horse, Wind Wave, Wheels…, etc. and even takes over on the electric leads for Sandman and Bay it’s up to You.>>

That's a good point about the leads, Mike. Watching the MusikLaden tape made me realize that Dewey leads now no more or less than he did back in the day. In fact, maybe even a bit more now. The "Sandman" lead was a nice piece of work, I only wish it hadn't been a double lead with Woods so I could have concentrated solely on Dewey for a sec--but I gave a standing-O at the end of that song--it was great and the show really needed that kind of huge number.

As for playing the lead rhythm parts to his signature songs, I was about 20 feet away (7th row), so maybe you saw better than I did. On MusikLaden, there's no mistaking it--Dewey's play big, chopping 8th and 16th note strumming patterns on all those songs--his right hand is literally always going. Live, I didn't see that at all--but maybe the changes were more subtle than I thought.

<<The MusickLaden DVD is misleading. It is all Dewey with some Dan. Gerry only gets one song “I need you”, if I remember right. In concerts I’ve been to (1970’s , 1990’s & 2002) the songs are more varied between the Trio. You have a lot more Gerry in today’s concerts. I don’t think Dewey ever was the lead rhythm on: I Need You, Sister Golden Hair, Daisy Jane, Another Try, Only in Your Heart, Women Tonight, You Can do Magic, California, etc. Maybe Ladd was being mislead while Dewey concentrated on the neat vocals bridge in Wheels…, (black crow with an indigo glow – love it), stands back while Gerry starts off with Daisy Jane … then adds his subtle rhythm touch to this and other Gerry songs.>>

Very possibly. I'm very interested in seeing how the arrangements have been altered since the Dan Peek days. And I'll be the first to admit that I won't really know for sure (unless there is a guitarist on this board who knows for sure) until I get my hands on a video of current-day America playing live. Then you can watch and do a MusikLaden-to-Current Day comparison and really find out how the band has changed/evolved over the years. This is what intrigues me, because something definitely seems "missing" beyond Dewey's singing style now and I don't know exactly what it is. I would attribute it to idyllic childhood memories, but MusikLaden is a constant reminder that there really was something phenomenal going on during that period.

-LE

I skirted around the issues that bothered me in order to not repeat what I found distasteful. I referred to MMC to avoid repeating words you used about our guys such as "creepy".
I don't have time to look for your quotes right now, but for example you said something to the effect of maybe Dewey's heart isn't in it anymore. I think that is an unfair statement.
Sure, you're entitled to your opinion. You've stated it...everyone has heard it. Let's move on.

Don’t know where Ladd was sitting, but I have sat right up front and watched both Dewey and Gerry from about 10 feet back in concert and on the MusikLaden DVD several times. Sure looks like Dewey still does the lead rhythms on his signature songs to me: Riverside, Ventura Highway, Tin Man, Three Roses, Horse, Wind Wave, Wheels…, etc. and even takes over on the electric leads for Sandman and Bay it’s up to You.

The MusickLaden DVD is misleading. It is all Dewey with some Dan. Gerry only gets one song “I need you”, if I remember right. In concerts I’ve been to (1970’s , 1990’s & 2002) the songs are more varied between the Trio. You have a lot more Gerry in today’s concerts. I don’t think Dewey ever was the lead rhythm on: I Need You, Sister Golden Hair, Daisy Jane, Another Try, Only in Your Heart, Women Tonight, You Can do Magic, California, etc. Maybe Ladd was being mislead while Dewey concentrated on the neat vocals bridge in Wheels…, (black crow with an indigo glow – love it), stands back while Gerry starts off with Daisy Jane … then adds his subtle rhythm touch to this and other Gerry songs.

Hey guys, be cool, we are all America fans. Ive played guitar for over 30 years and I still play. Dewy is one hell of a guitar player or he would'nt be where he is now. All the guys in the band are great. They know how to create music and that's what keeps us fans loving them. Have a great day everyone.

Sorry for having an opinion that doesn't conform to the norm around here. In response to your points:

1. I don't think someone posing as an "expert" would have stated outright he's only been playing guitar since January of 2000 (actually, drums was the instrument I took up as a kid).

2. I'm not making ANY suppositions. I'm asking questions, like in my last post. I wouldn't be asking questions as to How? and Why? if I had the answers. I was hoping to generate a dialogue where some answers might come to light, based on the expertise on America present on this board.

3. Didn't know a sense of humor was forbidden around here. And FWIW, it would be impossible for me to get personal with McDonald--I've never even met him--I have no knowledge to attack him in such way. And my post on his performance the other night was about as glowing as you can get--did you actually read my message?

4. You use the word "we" and "ours" here--as if you have some kind of right to speak for every America fan--and yet you have the nerve to attack me for being presumptious. I'd never in a million years come on here and try to supress someone's opinion, tell someone to shut up. Who do you think you are?

I post here because I am fascinated by the band's music and the factors that have affected it over the years. I have honest questions about the evolution of the band on and off-stage over the years and have posted intelligently seeking to solicit answers with other great fans who have more experience in seeing the band live over the years. And you attack me for it.

-Ladd

<<Let's see, what bugs me about all that Ladd has written?

1. He seems to think he is an expert on the dynamics of rock bands who have been in the business for 30+ years.(Hmmm..is he in the business? How old is he?)

2. He's making all sorts of suppositions of why things aren't the way HE thinks they should be. He doesn't know and it's wrong to characterize anyone unfairly.

3. I was bothered early on by his review because of the personal nature of some of his attacks. I knew there would be trouble when MMc was described as looking like an "elder hobbit" Honestly, this behavior caused me to discount lots of what he said. Ladd, don't you think people have feelings?

4. Stop already! We all heard what you said. There's no need to keep going on and on. You have your opinions and we have ours. Some of us agree in part and some not at all. Just leave it at that and move on.

I have seen America atleast once a year for the last 20 years and I have never experienced a bad show. These guys work hard and it shows.>>

Let's see, what bugs me about all that Ladd has written?

1. He seems to think he is an expert on the dynamics of rock bands who have been in the business for 30+ years.(Hmmm..is he in the business? How old is he?)

2. He's making all sorts of suppositions of why things aren't the way HE thinks they should be. He doesn't know and it's wrong to characterize anyone unfairly.

3. I was bothered early on by his review because of the personal nature of some of his attacks. I knew there would be trouble when MMc was described as looking like an "elder hobbit" Honestly, this behavior caused me to discount lots of what he said. Ladd, don't you think people have feelings?

4. Stop already! We all heard what you said. There's no need to keep going on and on. You have your opinions and we have ours. Some of us agree in part and some not at all. Just leave it at that and move on.

I have seen America atleast once a year for the last 20 years and I have never experienced a bad show. These guys work hard and it shows.

Hekawi25 ~ I, too, noticed and mentioned awhile back the same thing you did about Dan never having the first track on an AMERICA LP...well, on the A side (or Side 1).

During the trio years, the number of songs written by each member turned out to be pretty equal though. If I recall correctly, Dan was third but really not by too much...three or four songs. As I mentioned before here, I still don't understand why "Everyone I Meet Is From California" was neither selected to be released as an "A-side" single. It and it's electric version is perhaps my all-time favorite AMERICA song, and that's saying a lot! I wonder the same about why "California Revisited" was never released as a single. If it had, I think it would have been a big hit, and perhaps one of the 70s rock history's great songs. Can you all tell I really like the song? :0)

Last night I settled back and watched my MusikLaden tape again to really study the band's guitar arrangements back in their heyday. And I can now state with absolute certainty that Dewey has signficantly scaled down his playing live. If you watch the MusikLaden tape and even have a rudimentary knowledge of guitar, you will clearly see that Dewey is the primary rhythm guitarist on every song in the set. Not only that, but he plays with great command and energy, really chugging through the riffs and providing that great rhythmic backbone that was really the hallmark of America's sounds. Very often, I noticed he would strum chords in a steady run of sixteenth notes--very active all the way through. See "Wind Wave" "Horse...," or the beginning of "Green Monkey" for instance. This really provided a solid foundation for Gerry and Dan to paint over on lead guitar. And while you will see Dan and Gerry tearing it up on guitar and piano on "Wind Wave," "...California," and "Green Monkey," it is Dewey who is holding it all together rhtymically (along with the bassist). Again, this is not my interpretation. Watch the tape. You will see Dewey's hand going constantly (chop, chop, chop--eigth notes and sixteenth notes) from the moment the first song begins until the last song concludes.

There is no way he is even playing 1/4 this much now on-stage--or at least he certainly was not when I saw him the other night, and I categorically refuse to believe they altered the guitar arrangements for one night. As I said, sometimes his pick hand rested on the neck and at other times, he was simply picking a few accent notes. I didn't see one song all night where he strummed all the way through with authority like he does on every song on the MusikLaden tape.

My assumption is that, at whatever point, Dewey surrendered rhtyhm guitar duties to concentrate on singing the songs. Woods and Gerry were playing most of the rhythm guitar when I saw them on Sunday. Someone also recently posted (sorry, forgot who) that on America's last album, Dewey only played guitar on 2 or 3 of the songs.
A picture begins to take shape, because it would have been absolutely UNHEARD of for Dewey not to play guitar on EVERY song during the entire Dan Peek-era. Dewey Bunnell WAS America's rhythm guitarist and the backbone of their basic "sound" on-stage.

As to the issue of whether Dewey is a talented guitarist or not, I think the answer in 1975 was an unconditional "yes." His rhythm playing, while not necessarily complex, was solid and sounded great. It's also not easy to lay down that kind of strumming and sing three-part harmonies song after song after song. And someone else noted his solo on "Tin Man" on the MusikLaden tape (again, sorry forgot who). Absolutely right, that was a nice little run and demonstrated that he did have the ability to lead when and if he wanted to (although it's probably safe to say that throughout America's history he felt overshadowed in this role by Gerry and Dan, who were superb lead players with no fear).

Then there are the logical questions that result: When did Dewey's role on guitar on stage diminish? Did this change occur right after Dan Peek left, or later on? Why did his role diminish? Did he for some reason find it uncomfortable at some point to have to sing the songs and carry the rhythm?

The main point to notice in all of this is that, in 1975, America was a three-guitar band--again, really the hallmark of their sound at that time. You had Dewey holding the fort on rhythm while Dan and Gerry just went off--and it was wonderful. I would hold 1975-era America up to any other band I've ever seen live in terms of intensity, musicianship, a great show, period.

Today's America has totally lost that dynamic, in my mind. I think it was a mistake not to replace Dan Peek permanently when he left. You lost a guy who could play guitar, harp, and piano. Nah, a guy who could KICK ASS on all three. And a creative force as well. That affected everything--the songwriting dynamic of the band, the way the vocals were arranged, the way guitars were arranged, the onstage performance.

I think they're missing a lot today up there on stage. We're not getting the full sound--that full wall of 3 full guitar parts like we got back in the day. The incredible jams, the great language from Dewey, hunched over and chugging riffs, glaring at his bandmates, singing the songs intently and cleanly--where is it all?

It's not just the passage of time or the same old songs. If that was the case, acts like Fleetwood Mac, Steely Dan, Fogelberg and McDonald wouldn't be able to get up on the stage 25 years later and deliver exciting shows with real musicianship.

America needs to play their greatest hits every night, or they will not be around. That's fine. Do that and add in some great rare tunes and covers (if need be) on the side. What I think they really need to do is to go back, study these tapes themselves, and get Dewey to deliver some devastating rhythm again. Then things open up for Gerry and Woods. Then you get some sweet jams, there's more room for the other 2 guys to create.

What I need to do now is to get another live videotape from them from the modern period (didn't they come out with one a few years back) and really see what Dewey is doing musically (too tough to gauge everything watching one show).

But I tell you. Watching that MusikLaden tape last night, it was pumping me up so hard that I was pausing it every second to grab my acoustic to play some of those riffs, to jam. Inspiring. Anyone who needs justification for my "scathing" recent post really only need pop it in to see where I'm coming from. Physically, I know these guys can still do it. The spirit, the spirit...

-Ladd

Hi Everyone ~~
WOW! What a Live chat last night, good to see so many people there. Nice talking with you too Red, Moser, SteveO,Joanne, American Girl, and all the rest~~~~Hmmmm I find myself wondering who Windwave is and Old Man and the one I am most curious about is Tony The Tiger ~~~What a comedian this one is! LOL ~~~ Red~~just like You I find it a little too overwhelming to keep up with all the messages and to know who exactly is responding to who at times, but anyway it was alot of fun.
Well now DanC~~about time you show yourself here. Great to hear that you were able to relax and get more of a tan on your vacation. I can only imagine just how tan you are by now :). Hurry up and read all the posts and get back with it Mr. Mailman! Another hot one here today in Pa, so it is back to the pool this afternoon, Hey my tan is getting there too! ~~~~ Met you on a springtime day, you were minding your life and I was minding mine too, Lady when you looked my way, I had a strange sensation, and darling thats when I knew, its sad to belong to someone else when the right one comes along~~~~ Nice one of theirs too! Keep smilin friend :)
Hi hekawi25 ~~~ Wow that would be a great CD to listen too and that sure is interesting about Dan never having the 1st track on any of the albums. Hmmmmm Wonder why?
Hi Robyn ~~~Regarding the poll, I will vote for Hearts if you promise to do Human Nature next time ~~~ Okay?
Okay gotta go for now, Nancy :)
~~~~There she was just a walkin down the street, singing hey wa diddy diddy dum diddy da! ~~~~~~~

What a blast on the live chat last night. I got disconnected 3 times, tho, which torked me off. Who was American Girl & schoolgirl?
Great to talk to Nancy, Robyn, RC, Moser, et all. I've got to practice typing, tho, to keep up with all the remarks.

Mony, Mony

one interesting thing i forgot to mention about the dan peek songs...
not one single time did he have the 1st track on an album. hmmmm....

i just finished a project i've been wanting to do ever since i
got a cd burner. all the dan peek songs from his america days
on one disc (80 minutes). i call it "hurricane" after one of his songs on "harbor" ("h" song). there were just a couple of omissions...had to leave off the two collaboration songs (hat trick & story of a teenager)for time constraints and i opted for the original "everyone i meet is from california" instead of "ca. revisited" and included "simple life" from the box set.
track list:
everyone i meet is from california
rainy day
never found the time
donkey jaw
don't cross the river
saturn nights
it's life
willow tree lullaby
lonely people
glad to see you
you
in the country
simple life
half a man
woman tonight
old virginia
tomorrow
can't you see
she's beside you
today's the day
jet boy blue
slow down
don't cry baby
these brown eyes
hurricane

The name of that tune is.... Hangover! Dewey wrote it and it is on the Alibi cd. My college age son was with me at my first ever America concert a year ago and when they played this, I teased him about being able to relate to this one! I loved hearing it live. You can find the lyrics if you go to the main page and look under Songs.

Robyn - my vote would be Hearts - I've been meaning to drop into the chat room again but have been busy. Will try next week for sure.

Kim

Saw America in Albany, NY last week and heard a song I'd never heard before. It was something to do with a hangover. Where did this song come from?

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