Archives: March 2001

I am anxiously awaiting to read about the recording of my favorite album, HEARTS; let's hope Dan gives a full account of this period as the songs got more complex....in my opinion of course. By the way, I was really getting into "Moon Song" cranked loudly in my car on the way to work this morning. Makes me think of youthful, carefree days. Just thought I would add that.DanC.

Now, that was nice. Made me laugh out loud.

Thanks Mr. Y! I just figured that Steve needed even MORE work......lol (Sorry Steve!)

TkH<-------Go State!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Matt, Good luck tomorrow. I really really wish I was going.
LEt me know how it goes. hL

that's actually more information then i know about the show... so i am assuming it's right.

and yes the Jenerators are Bill Mumy's band. rather talented, that guy...

mB

Thanks, Steve!

Cool "All Directions Lead To America" by Beech under "What's New?"!

As a UK message reader, no offence taken. Like the rest of you, appreciate that it is one of the best album covers ever.

Having seen America live once (Germany 1999), I am still awaiting the return to the UK (if ever). However, just got my tickets for the Eagles in Manchester (UK) on June 18th - Not quite america, but not bad!

Great review Rick. I am glad to hear you all came through the quake ok. I know how it is ,living in the San Fernando Valley !( LA earthquake midnight ground shake)

Hi everyone. I got a mail message from Rick Wahlgren tonight with a review of the Emerald Queen concert. Rick told me to give his best to everyone online. Here's the review:

The Emerald Queen is a vintage Mississippi Riverboat that was towed to Tacoma via the Panama Canal and made into a casino, along with adjoining buildings. They've recently added an approx. 2000 seat concert area, and the good news is that it was sold out for America, which immensely pleased the guys. There was an extensive advertising campaign on radio and tv in the Tacoma/Seattle area and it really paid off.

We brought the whole family , including our daughters Carolyn and Christina (born and raised on America) and their husband/boyfriend respectively...... and two special friends from California flew up for some Spring Break action to see America and enjoy some PNW siteseeing. We were also celebrating Christina's official acceptance into the University of Washington's Medical School this fall. (she just found out the night before). So it was exciting!

A couple observations and comments...............

The show was excellent......as always. The crowd was into the show immediately, and cheered constantly throughout the evening with great appreciation. Even though the Emerald Queen was not too far from the epicenter of the recent earthquake, nobody became too jittery when the place began to shake, shudder, and vibrate during Sandman! (We're all earthquake "fraidy cats" up here now) Also, the Emerald Queen made some eye-catching posters with the Highway Box Set cover in the background, with four America album covers superimposed in the foreground. (America, History, Homecoming, and Harbor). The Emerald Queen was very gracious in rounding up several posters during the show for us to take home.

We were fortunate to see Gerry and the rest of the guys after the show, but just missed Dewey who was busy chatting with many of his Washington relatives. Great to see everyone again!

Yes, I believe it is.

Alan, "Go Man Go" is available from Melody Blvd, Scott Sosebee's new company (he formerly owned Thoughtscape Sounds). Go to the CD Sources web page on the Fans web site for information and links. --Steve

The Jenerators...Bill Mumy's group, right?

Hey, Is GMG still available? If so, where do I find it?

Thx, Alan

Well, it certainly looks like America won't be at Topsfield this year. I've been checking the concert list from time to time hoping to see it added, but no luck. I just went to Topsfield's web site and it looks as though they have their entertainment booked for week already :-(

Looks like I'll have to go back to attending the Mohican Sun shows. I guess I got spoiled by the 3 1/2 hour drive to Topsfield. Sure beats the 5+ hour drive to MS. I keep hoping they'll book a show a little closer. Oh well!

It sure says a lot for America that Topsfield has NEVER invited a band back a second time in the entire history of the fair except for them. Guess a third time was too much to hope for (sigh).

Alan

Glad I could help. Just out of curiosity, which e-mail address did you try to send your reply to? I'm not aware of any problems with any of my 3 accounts. If you hit "Reply", it went to my work e-mail cause that's where I sent it from. Try sending it to my home address collins@loa.com or my hotmail account loose_ends59@hotmail.com.

I found D & G's comments on the box set regarding this album quite interesting. I knew that America had written very little material for it, but wasn't aware that they contributed little more than vocals to the album. It sure sounded like they weren't really into that album. I guess I wouldn't be too thrilled either if I had showed up at the studio only to find that most of the instrument tracks were already recorded and all they wanted was your vocals. I think it was Dewey that referred to it as not an America album, but "America sings Russ Ballard". In fact, it sounds to me like the Capitol years in general were very frustrating for our guys in terms of them not having a lot of say in song arrangements, etc. Still, I like a lot of their work during that period of time. It would be interesting to see what they would of done differently if they had had more control, though.

For anyone who will be going ( and I hope to see a lot of you Socal people there) Here is some additional information. There is no age limit at the club, so you CAN bring your kids ( there goes the no babysitter excuse) The cover charge is $5. A bargain. I believe they will go on sometime after 11, the opening band is the jenerators. This should be a lot of fun ( and Matt, please correct me if I got anything wrong!)

Regarding the "Your Move" LP, "Billboard" magazine had a June 25, 1983 full page ad (11" x 14") with the same blue color as the album cover. It has a blue and a red marble pictured on the upper-left corner. They're about the size of a grapefruit. On the lower-right corner is a 3" x 3" picture of the front album cover. In white letters, the ad reads:

The America way.

Crisp, clean songs that cut
to the American heart.
Last time out they gave you
the Top 5 hit "You Can Do Magic."
On the new album Gerry Beckley
and Dewey Bunnell encore with
more of the stirring sounds that
have made America great.
Check out the single
"The Border"

AMERICA. Your Move. ST-12277

Produced by Russ Ballard
Executive Producer: John Stanley
A RUJO Production
Management: KATZ-GALLIN-MOREY

ON RECORDS & HIGH QUALITY XDR CASSETTES


(PS to Nina: Thanks for your opinion about what the trio were sitting on in the 1st LP photo.)

Alan...I second those birthday wishes! Thanks for sending me info. I had requested, it's very helpful! I sent you a long, rambling e-mail, but got notification back that it never really got sent so...Oh well! I'll try again on another day!

Nina

I agree it's one of the best album covers I have seen. Seems like America's cover artwork is routinely overlooked by the media and others, just like their music. But I wonder if such a cover were done in today's ultra-pc environment, if it wouldn't be met with protests and cries of exploitation?

I agree Steve, I am sure you can set it up on RealAudio, I am no computer wiz, just having fun and used the first software I found on the web, maybe Ill look into RealAudio. Anyway I have a DSL line going in next week. Untill then "leakycanoe radio" is subject to interuptions (wife using phone)

Very cool Bill! My only complaint is that you have to download new (proprietary) software to listen to it. It would be better if it used RealAudio, MediaPlayer, or something else that most people already have loaded on their PC's. Still, it's a great way to share America's music. Way to go! --SteveL

Just for fun I have set up a live stream of "America" Music that will be playing most of the day today on www.leakycanoe.com This is the first day broadcasting so I would appreciate any feedback from anyone who has time to check it out.

Thanks Bill

I always thought the LP YOUR MOVE was fashioned after the song YOUR MOVE. AMERICA did perform the song YOUR MOVE live for a while. I really liked the LP YOUR MOVE, thought the song YOUR MOVE was headed for hitsville.

We were last talking about "View FTG" and someone posted that they considered it their least favourite America album. I actually consider it their best duo album, along with Alibi, until their 1990's
efforts of course which, to me, seem more creative than the 80's fare.
Ballard was obviously a strong influence and "Your Move" followed in his style of writing and producing. "Honey" and "Border" were also good songs for the guys after the success of "Magic". Overall though I think "Your Move" is a bit of an oddity - maybe it's too much in the pop style of songwriting for me.
Are there any ideas on where the name for "Your Move" came from?
Chris

No Andy, I wasn't Euro-Bashing. I was just expressing my opinion about the photograph of the Native Americans that appear on AMERICA's 1st album. Yes, I am guilty for having compassion and sympathy for them. Maybe it's because I have friends who are Native American (I also have Euro-Friends too). I had often wondered about that album cover. I had always thought that the statement (if indeed a statement was being made) AMERICA was trying to make was that they felt a kinship with the Native Americans. I always thought how cool it was that there were 3 guys in the band and there was a photo of 3 Native Americans behind them. It's without a doubt one of the greatest album covers I have ever seen.

Happy Belated, Alan!

What a great present, and what a DEAL! Just goes to show you that it's not always the BIG guys that are the best choice,,,,,,,,,(C=

TkH<-------bad hair day

Red Oak, I am quite confident that I am correct and Pollstar is wrong (that shouldn't be too surprising since Pollstar is often wrong). I get my information straight from Morey Management (America's agency) and they definitely list America at the Starlight on June 24. If you check the Gig Guide on the VenturaHighway.com web site (www.venturahighway.com/gigs.html), you'll find that it agrees with my list. Of course, the concerts are always subject to change. If this concert changes I'll be sure to post the latest information.

--SteveL

P.S. The Sunset Station Casino gig is on June 23 (America is playing with Grand Funk Railroad). You can go to the Venue link that I have on the Concerts page to verify that.

I noticed that the June 24 date in Kansas City lists the concert at the Starlight on your list Steve, but on Pollstar it shows it at Station Casino. Can u find out which is correct? Tx.

I wonder if the reason for the question isn't a new remastered release of the first album by Rhino, with perhaps some bonus tracks? We can always dream!

As mentioned in my previous post, I just bought Bodden Town. I've been extremely busy and have only had time to give it one listen. I generally have to listen to something at least a few times before I form an opinion one way or the other. There are a few songs that stuck out in my mind as good songs and I'm sure many of the others will grow on me with a few more listens, but I do have have one complaint. Is it just me, or are the vocals not mixed well? They seem to get lost under the instruments on just about every song and are very hard for me to hear. Has anyone else noticed this, or is it my imagination?

Hello chatters! FINALLY got the box set as a birthday present (actually my birthday was a couple of weeks ago. The "present" was being told by my wife I could order it). I got it from Dan's web site and he was nice enough to autograph it for me. 1 down, 2 to go. I found the demos and alternate mixes very interesting and enjoyable to listen to. I just wish there were more previously unreleased gems on it. I also got to hear the studio version of California Dreamin' for the first time. LOVE the sax in it! I was impressed at the quality of the packaging as well with all the pictures and very lengthy America story. I know this has been discussed before, but does anyone know why no songs from Human Nature were included?

BTW, my wife attempted to order Highway for me, but gave up and just told me to get it. Good thing, too. She was going to order it from Amazon.com when she couldn't find it on Dan's web site (don't know why she didn't see the "Store" link that leads to 7-Mile Entertainment). She had the order all entered and was ready to click "Submit" but the decided to consult me first. She would have paid $49.99 for it and I wouldn't have gotten Dan to sign it. I got it on Dan's site for $35.00, plus Bodden Town (both autographed) and a free T-shirt for placing an order of $40+ - all for LESS than Amazon wanted for the Highway box set alone. Believe me, it was WELL worth the 2-week wait and not having a gift to open on my birthday!

Alan

Please join me this evening for a chat. I will be in the room after 7 Pacific, but anyone can start without me!

Guess I'll never rely on PBS again.......sigh

TkH<--------2 cylindars

At any rate, like Pat B said, I agree that it's awesome to see the whole part of the photo that was burned into my brain after "livin' all those years". Right, Andy...whatever grabbing of real estate or "ravishing the land" was done by whom and when, or first, I still think that the first album cover picture beautifully captured the spirit of almost all the songs inside. That must have been a rush finding it, Virginia! Guess the internet is good for something, but hard to think someone around here didn't have that info before! Goes to show how little we know still.

"It's a shame how the foreigners from Europe stole the land from the Native Americans. "


True. It's also a shame how Indians stole land and killed each other. It's also a shame how people from all corners of the globe at some point stole land from other people, and even killed other people.
The point I'm trying to make is that Europeans didn't invent or have a monopoly on concuring land and people. When discussing Indians, I hope that things won't degenerate into a Euro-bashing fest.

Andy

Wow, what an amazing photograph! I printed a copy of it. Thanks Virginia. All these years I've been staring at those Native Americans on the cover of the 1st album. It's interesting to see the entire photo. It's also a bit sad too. It's a shame how the foreigners from Europe stole the land from the Native Americans.

Yep, that's what I get for trying to type and chew gum at the same time! ( actually, my computer has been "eating" stuff I type all day!)

Thanks, Steve!

Robyn, I think I found it. Here's the link:

www.nezperce.com/npphoto1.html

Is that the one you were referring to?

Robyn, that link didn't work for me. In fact, www.nezpearce.com doesn't even exist. I found a www.nezperce.com but it doesn't have the npphonot.html page. Did you type it wrong, perhaps?

I found some nez pearce phots that are slightly similar to the one on the first album cover. It also provides information that most of them died of a raging epidemic that was ignored by the authorities ( not a massacre but close enough, and just as cruel)

the site is www.nezpearce.com/npphotos.html

(hey, I had to do SOME sort of research!)

Steven Heddon photographed America at the Wild Adventures theme park in Valdosta, Ga. Those photos have been posted on his web site at: heddonphoto.com. Click on the America link to see them.

Johnny...I always thought "our guys" were sitting on over-sized floor pillows, in front of the mural. Just a guess on my part!

Nina

If that Native American picture on America's first LP was taken in the office of Warner Bros London, what are the trio sitting on? I thought it was a bed in someone's bedroom. Is it an office couch, perhaps? Anyone know? Maybe D or G can tell us on their message board?

Thanks Steve for the exact post number on those America songbooks. I didn't go back quite far enough. And thanks LisaRose for the personal message you sent me regarding them, too!

Robyn, I rec'd the bookmarks. They're great! Thanks a bunch!!!

Yes, Virginia, but Mr Yahoo sometimes has "pretzel logic" and you have to think around him. Good work!

I had to laugh after I read that, Johnny. My husbands middle name and mothers family name is PIerce, hence the typo's.......sorry....

TkH<-----3 cylinders

Johnny, go to the chat archives for March and scroll down to message #16142.

Please folks, let's give the credit to Mr. Yahoo who did most of the work. I just gave him the line "Native American photographs" and he went from there. It was a good quality photo (not to mention sad), so I figured it had to be late 19th century. I'm a logical thinker, nothing more. It was an interesting challenge.

And so we return to the beginning in 1971. I hope that Virginia is credited for her research too, but I hope it is soon in this 30th year
of America releases. It was really great to hear from Gerry too From The Moving Train recently - even better to hear that they have been able to work on the next album. I'm hankerin' for some new songs guys, and if I may be so outspoken, would rather that they spent time in the studio on a new album than touring!! Of course, I can say that as we won't be seeing the guys this year anyway Down Under. Apologies to those of you who want more touring ......OK - I know that many will disagree on this one, but I am always amazed at how much touring they do, and seem to have always been able to achieve to date.
Chris

Steve (or anyone), there was a message here on the folder about a week ago regarding available America sheet music or songbooks that were for sale by someone who was wanting to sell off his inventory. I couldn't seem to find it now. Am I overlooking it or has that post been removed from the folder? Thanks in advance.

That was very cool seeing the entire photo of those Crow Native Americans and the U.S. soldiers. Way to go, Virginia!

If Morey Management uses that photo for an upcoming America CD, I sure think it would be great if Virginia got a mention in the credits for providing the information that Erin was seeking. If Virginia hadn't found it, I'd probably still be looking for it myself.

Beech, I did learn something about the tribe you mentioned and it's this: Their actual tribe name is "Nez Perce" (without the "i"). They have their own website. I was searching down the wrong (war) path with the Nez Perce and not the Crow (whether or not with the "indigo glow").

Aw Terry!!!
Even though I wasn't "right", I DO know that the Nez Pierce tale is true. Guess I "assumed" too much. You know where THAT gets one...lol! There IS a picture in some vault SOMEWHERE that very closely resembles the one the guys posed in front of......guess it must be that scorching Florida sun.......

TkH<-------technoloaded

Thanks for the kudos tt, but I didn't do any research this time ( I know everyone is shocked!) I've been chief cook and bottle washer here at work so no time.

Way to go Virginia! ( Glad to see someone else take up the research mantle- I was going to look when I got home.

Since nobody posted anything after all that fine work by SL, Virginia, Robyn, and even Tery (yes!)...all I got to say is WOW about that photo! Pretty cool what a little research does.

Is that David Cassidy standing in the back left?

What a treat. Never thought I'd hear that song live. Thanks for sharing the link. One thing threw me for a loop: I had the volume up as loud as I could on my computer, and those two random piano notes toward the end of the song caused me to yank off my headphones.

Virginia Mitchell has been doing some research (a la Robyn) and discovered the true source of the photo on the first album. The picture is really a group of Crow prisoners under guard. You can see it by going to the American Historical Images web page on the Cal. State Long Beach web site (www.csulb.edu/projects/ais/nae/. Click on 1875 to 1890, then scroll down to the photo called "Crow Prisoners Under Guard". There is also a link to a paragraph of text about the photo. It's not what Tery Holly had written about back in the AOL chat folder. For your convenience, here's what it says:

"The Crow Indians were a warlike, nomadic tribe who lived on the plains near the Yellowstone River in Wyoming and Montana. In 1876, they fought against the Sioux in this region in an alliance with the eastern Shoshones under General George Crook. Crow chief Plenty Coups encouraged his warriors to side with the white army, assuring them that once the wars were over, they would be rewarded for their assistance. However, the Crows were treated no differently than the resisting tribes, and as more and more forts were built in their territory, despite their resistance, they were forced to cede large portions of their land. This photograph of Crow prisoners was taken in 1887; by 1888, all conflicts were resolved and the Crow were settled on their reservation in northern Montana."

Thanks so much for the research Virginia!

--Steve

thanks Steve. now get back to your real job.

"thank you steve & howie for hat trick live!!! now if dewey & gerry could only pull off the miracle of getting it on the playlist!..."

I wish. Right now, we're more likely to loose weight on a hot fudge and nachos diet than we are to hear HAT TRICK performed live :( lol

Andy

P.S. Here's a link to the Ian Samwell interview that Jim mentioned. The interview does talk about the Painting on the wall but it doesn't describe what it's about:

www.rockandrollusa.com/horsewithnonameamericadewey.htm

According to a post on the AOL chat folder by Tery Holly back in 1998, "The 3 chiefs of the Nez Pierce Tribe posed for that picture shortly before their whole tribe was massacred in Oregon. They had been fleeing the U.S. Cavalry for some time, trying to escape to Canada. They were "officially" labeled the most peaceloving tribe of Indigenous Americans!"

thank you steve & howie for hat trick live!!! now if dewey & gerry could only pull off the miracle of getting it on the playlist!

Steve,
I think there was mention of the painting in the Ian Samwell (producer of LP #1) interview. Is that info still around ? thanks.

Hey everyone! Erin from Morey Management here. I am looking to find some information on the painting that Gerry, Dewey and Dan are sitting in front of on their first album. That particular version of this painting was a mural at the Warner Bros. London office and you only see a portion of it on that album cover. The whole painting features a few Native Americans flanked by soldiers. I believe the title may have something to do with "Trail of Tears.". Does anyone know anything about this work?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

-Erin Edwards

Johnny, that mark is not a slight pinkness. It is a deep pink / magenta, one inch long balloon shaped transparent stain.

On 2 songs, Gerry sings lead on David's LP. I forgot the names of them. I have it somewhere in my tape archive!

Yes Lisa, you're going to be in for a treat. A very sick, twisted moment in HBO cinema.

Andy

No Andy --I am going to watch it tomorrow night--when it re-airs!! Can't wait.

There are many other songs Gerry cowrote,produced and/or performed with David. You can find many of them on David's"When I'm a Rock 'n' Roll Star".such as "I'll Have to Go Away" --"Take This Heart", Gettin'It in he Street","Cruise to Harlem", "Get It Up For Love" "on Fire", "Damned if this Ain't Love"(this last two Dewey also sang background vocals on.

I just watched the Sopranos where Sister Golden Hair was played. It was an extremely twisted secene where the song was played. Who saw it? I must say, a good portion of the song was played.

Andy

For your convenience here's a link to the Sound Index page on the America Fans web site. There are quite a few soundlcips listed but the most interesting ones tend to be near the bottom of the list. Enjoy! -SteveL

Chris, I re-read your question and I see that I failed to answer it so let me do that now.

My early U.S. release of America's first LP has the green label. I have other copies of this same LP and they have the palm tree label. I think Warner Bros. started with the green label early on and then went to the palm tree scene later. As I mentioned before, two of my "Homecoming" LPs have the green label as well. So, my guess regarding the change from green to the tree scene was probably around 1972-1973 since the label on three of my "Hat Trick" LPs all have the tree scene. So this leads me to this question: Does anyone have "Hat Trick" with a green label? I would be very surprised if so!

That Gerry and David Cassidy song, "Living A Lie," actually can be found under the "Sound Clip Index" on the home page of this site and not under "Songs" as I had just mentioned. From there, go to the "Misc. Albums" section and you'll find it as the last listing under this section.

Chris, like a lot of fans here, I have more than one copy of the "Homecoming" LP. Two have the green label and two have the palm trees scene. The first one that I bought, I definitely know had the green label. That was either in December 1972 or Januaray 1973.

Jim R, I don't think David Cassidy had any input on the "Hideaway" release other than moral support perhaps; however, this is only my speculation because his name isn't listed anywhere in the credits. I only knew that that was Cassidy in the photo and that being his fur coat on Dewey from what someone else pointed out to us before you joined on. I do remember seeing a David Cassidy album cover with him wearing what looked to be the same coat.

Under the list of songs on this site, SteveL has a Cassidy song or two that Gerry sings on.

As I'm writing this, I'm listening to the live version of Hat Trick. For what it's worth, I consider this to be the single greatest song that America has ever written/performed. To those of you that knew about the group in the 70s, and especially to those of you that actually heard this song performed live, count your blessings. I envy you to no end :)

Andy <--------(suffering severe jealousy for being born too late)

Johnny, *I* didn't know David Cassidy was on the "Hideaway" sleeve. So what's the story. did Keith Partridge have any role in the album?

Jim R.

Wow - Beech and Johnny - come on down to collect! I had not thought of the "exotic locales" answer - I'd say that is true too. But I did have Johnny's answer in mind re the actual records having the slice of tree and pineapple (is that what it si?) on the centre labels. The older albums had the palm trees and LA 'feel'. Also, I have the early UK release of "America" (no Horse.....) and it only has a plain green coloured centre label - so..... that means the USA release had the LA palm trees (and Aussie eucalypts I believe!). That is also what I wanted to find out - Is that correct Johnny/Beech?

Re "Willow Tree Lullaby" Beech - I absolutely agree with you. The song is just so, so evocative, soothing and calming.

Re Harbor - I am just listening to it - you know, the songs are good, although not consistently so, but what strikes me is that overall, it seems a sad album - did they all know that Dan was leaving?????????
Regards
Chris

Thanks Steve and Howie. That live version of hat trick was great! Joe

Darn internet problems have kept me off the folder for the last several days. It's still off-and-on.

Margaret, thanks for the info regarding the spelling on the Aussie "Harbor" LP. You mentioned the double exposure photo on the "Hideaway" album sleeve. You may not know this: In that photo behind Willie, is David Cassidy. He has his right hand on top of his head. The fur coat that Dewey's wearing is Cassidy's, I remember hearing. Regarding your question about the pink tint on one of the "Hideaway" photos, is it the back of the album cover that you're asking about? If so, I see a slight pinkness. But that whole shot isn't too clear due to the falling snow.

Chris, regarding the difference between the "Hideaway" and "Harbor" albums and other Warner albums, is it the label on the records being different, a slice of a tree and a pineapple, respectively?

Hello to my good friends, Bruno and Kenji, from "far off lands" as Gerry sings on "Ports-Of-Call".

Here's a link to the Hat Trick soundclip (from 1973 Philadelphia concert broadcast) that Howie was talking about:

/america/real/misc18.ram

Ah yes, Howard. I count Hat Trick Live as the single greatest moment in me owning a computer. Thanks for posting that song.

Andy

thanks howie, i had more LIVE in mind, but since that might never happen i'll give your live version a try. in case i'm not smart enough to figure out how to do it, i'm sure my son will help :-). sheez!! i just saw the fort collins play list--27, count them 27 songs!!!!!!!! i wonder if that is the legal limit of america live :-).

I do believe you can hear Hat Trick live and from this website.
I digitized it from a concert from 1973 or 1974 and sent it to
Steve L. I remember cause it took so long to upload. jeez.
IT sounds great live. Give it a listen.
hl

1. as far as posting other bands playing with america on the concert schedule that information is usually provided by clicking on each concert link. for instance there was a concert in pasadena last year with $60 tickets. i'd pay $60 to see/hear america but not $60 to see/hear america share time with air supply so i didn't go.

2. ticketmaster. how does that go...argh!!!! a ticket may cost $20, but the same ticket from ticketmaster costs $25. i don't hate many things in this world, but ticketmaster is one of them. i'll do almost anything to avoid that rip off.

3. HAT TRICK the song has become my #1 favorite america song. ...what i'd do to hear it live...

Ah, HATTRICK!!!!!
Another of my favorite subjects!!!!! Give me Willow Tree Lullabye or Rainbow Song ANYDAY!!!!

TkH<---------caffeine depraved

Recorded "on site" in "exotic" locales? (C=

TkH<---------gave birth to Aimee Mann's evil twin....lol.

Hello everyone,whilst many of you are discussing the pro's and cons of Harbour(UK release also US spelling) I have a gatefold sleeve of "Hat Trick")Australian release and single album sleeve UK release which contained a splendid poster.Fantastic to see "our boys" selling out concerts around the states,and recording new material,and according to Gerry sounding pretty good.Well so much for Oxygen who by the way I have championed on many occaisions on these web pages,well thats life.Far to much talent to go to waste,what is "America's" management doing?

Thanks for the responses. On the back cover of our record there is a curved, deep pink, transparent mark over Gerry's lower face and hair. Are other records like this or did our record have an accident which we have forgotten?

Whoops - gremlins at work - the site is www.nilfun.net
Regards
Chris

I know some of you enjoy Neil's songs - he has a new album out "One Nil" and his harmonies still soar. Check out his web site at www.nilfun.net. Enjoy

Chris

Margaret - I forgot to say that my album is the same as yours re the image over photo. I also noticed that these two albums are manufactured in the USA. My other DD&G America albums are Australian.

Quiz Question to test a theory out..... How do Hideaway and Harbor differ from earlier America albums?
Regards
Chris

Sure Bruno. Send me your mayoral photo from 1996 and I'll see that it gets posted.

your ansewer is very nice but I know that for President of America (USA) is obligatry born in USA (or not?). President Bush for your answer has a big worry.
Ciao a tutti
Bruno

thank you Steve and Beechlady for nice ansewers.
I ask to Steve a question. If I send you one my official photo as mayor (photo of year 1996) do you publish my photo in tha Fan friends of America?
Ciao Hi all Fans
Bruno

Now THAT would be a multi-generational concert! My DAUGHTER would actually GO WITH me (with out force, bribe or coercion.....sigh)! On the DOWN side I'd be hearing the Bass Line from "Wake Up" for the next 6 weeks.....rofl!

TkH<----------24 year old substitues?????? ARGH!

Hey Bruno!!!

If you'd come to the U.S., I'd vote for you for PRESIDENT!!! (C= Anyone who likes America is OK in my eyes!!!!!!!!!

TkH<--------pieces of Mir

I just bought my tickets to the Westbury show on June 1st. Can you say FOURTH ROW SEATS??? I'm jumping for joy. Now who's the opening act? Rage Against The Machine? ROF !!

Andy

Thanks for the invitation, Bruno. I'm quite happy here in Utah so I don't think I'll be taking up Italian citizenship any time soon. Good luck, however, in the election!

Well said my friend. I guess it's buyer beware like everything else. Tx for the response.

Steve and Johhny when do you come in Italy? in the next year in my city (Agropoli, 20.000 inhabitans) there is the election of mayor. I am candidate to this fucture election (I was mayor in my city already in the years 1995-97; I was the mayor more young of little history of Agropoli; I was mayor 35 years old)
Steve and Johnny if you come in Italy I give hospitality and... you take italian citizenship and after (I hope) you vote for me (or not?)
in the my city a street is dedicated to Frank Zappa (even American newspapers wrote articles about this event) In Italy the streets are dedicated only to personality of old past.
I like America, Frank Zappa (musica in heredity) so and so)
Ciao Hi Steve Yohhny and to all fans

Red Oak, your concern is valid. When I'm given a concert schedule it sometimes includes information about other bands playing at the same time and sometimes it doesn't. Since I never know for sure, I've decided not to include the information because it's not always complete. However, I do always try to include links to the web site for the venue and that should usually have the latest, most accurate information. If people would like me to include other bands when I know about them, I would be happy to do that, but I can never guarantee that it's accurate. -SteveL

One of my pet peeves...and I just learned about this in February...is:
certain venues hold blocks of tickets for customers with "special" GOLD credit cards...and if someone from the sticks calls (like ME) I'm out of luck and 50 rows back!!! I really don't have the option of stopping by a Box Office because everything is an hour or more away from me...so my only chance of getting seats is a phone call to Ticketmaster...and to hear them say they have a zillion "good" seats " reserved" but I can't get one is infuriating! As far as America shows lately, I've been lucky, because they do so many free venues...that it's first come, first seated...and if I'm willing to travel a couple of hours I ususally make out O.K.

Have a good week-end!

Nina

I was lucky enough to see Poco and America on New Year's eve. Those boys rocked! If you get the chance, do see them. It is a superb double bill!

Your message concerning billing at Westbury brings up a pet peeve that I have concerning the concert list. If America is sharing a concert with another group or groups, then the readers of the concert list should be able to note that then not when they go to buy tickets or when they call the venue for tickets. I noticed when I saw last December where 3 Dog Night and America played a place in Michigan and the concert list for 3 Dog Night noted that. What does everybody else or does it bother you?

I did not know there was a 'Harbor'until the '90's when I came across 'Encore' and started to track down all the albums that I had missed by the guys. Harbor was a real surprise - to me, a lost treasure as it was the last one with Dan. Although not amongst my favourites, I still marvel at how much Dan's songwriting had come along. I agree with the comment that 'These Brown Eyes' is up there with his best work, which seemed to get better from 'Holiday' onwards. Perhaps also a Sir George M legacy?
Chris

Margaret...My Hideaway album has the same superimposed image you're talking about, and I'm in Massachusetts...so it probably wasn't regional.

Thanks for the info Steve--just yesterday I was wondering why do I pay for HBO when I hardly ever watch it--now I know why!!! Can't wait to watch (hear)it. I am so excited-got 4th row seats for the June 1st show -at Westbury. This time it DOES NOT have Air Supply above America's name BUT America's name above Poco's name-so I gather that Poco will open up for America--hope they play a longer set than previous years!!! Either way--can't wait!

i love hearing the guys singing "things we said today".i think they do a great job of a great song.i really like the sentiment of the words.they mightn't be the greatest lyrics ever written but then again i don't have a problem with "do wah diddy diddy dum diddy do" either
McCartney has become a punching bag for a lot of people over the years and while he has certainly been responsible for some absolute rubbish, he is also responsible for some of the best songs i've ever heard in my 29 years

That's cool.....one of the hottest shows out. "Congradulations" Gerry.

Despite the fact that I'm a Beatles fan, I have to agree I'd rather see the guys drop "Things We Said Today" in favor of another album track. It doesn't have to be an America original, but given that there are so many America songs I'd love to hear live ("Don't Let It Get You Down" is high on the list)I guess I'd prefer a Dewey or Gerry piece.

Now if America wants to record a Beatles tune on their next album...

Jim R.

On the back of the inside sleeve of the Hideaway record there are five photos. The bottom ones are of Dewey, Dan and Gerry. On the top row left they are shown with Willie and David Dickey. The photo on the right is like a "class" photo but on mine there is another image superimposed on this showing Gerry and Dewey with a snow-covered hill behind them. It looks like it is a mistake.Are they all like this or is mine a local variation?

Johnny, the Australian Harbors have the American spelling.

Yea, and when they are finished with the kazoos you can blow them out of you're crackerbox.... Sorry about that regular readers and posters but his impressive vocabulary and his deep knowledge of musical terms really stimulated me into a response. Is Lazlo possibly an alias for Ringo. Mundane indeed...what a laugh. DanC.

On March 25, HBO's The Sopranos will be using the song "Sister Golden Hair" in the show as well as in the end credits.

And I hope everyone who can possibly make it will be there!

Would like to see "The Border" & "Survival" put back in the play list. Dump the Beatles song. Wouldn't mind hearing Dewey sing "Secret Agent Man" by J. Rivers.

Here's a link to a cool advertisement for Matt's gig on March 31 (courtesy of Matt and Robyn). Best of luck to you Matt!

phobicman

I always liked Gerry better when he sang on the Simpsons record with Tim B. Schmidt, or Crybaby soundtrack

Brad

Melissa,
I have no idea what part of Connecticut you live in, but if you live near interstate 84, then think about going to the Port Jervis, New York show on June 3. Port Jervis is rather close to I-84, on the New York side of the border.

Andy

AMERICA is appearing at the SUN Theatre on 6/30/01. Here are some links to photos of the pre-show ads. AMERICA appears in a huge overhead poster at the entrance of this excellent venue.

Sun Theatre Banner
America Ad Banner

-- Steve (photos courtesy of Jim Nakao)

Ah that is unfortunate. However there is another SUN, the SUN Theatre in Anaheim California next to Angels stadium. AMERICA is appearing at this very new modern showplace on 6/30/01. The SUN is featuring a lifesize poster of AMERICA at it's entrance, promoting their arrival. Besides the San Diego show (in Shari L's neighborhood) that's on 6/29, this show is tops. Ideal for families too.
All ages are welcome. It is a fabulous place to see AMERICA in their home state. It will be a sell-out, last year was. Just goto Expedia.com & order flite tickets.

Melissa, there was a sign on the showroom at the Casablanca Casino in Mesquite that said no one under 21 was allowed (presumably because of the drinking and gambling). However, I took my 10 year old son in without any problems and there were a few others that had children with them. I know that the show at the Mohegan Sun is free and they use it to attract people (gamblers) to the casino. I agree that it's a shame that you can't go. I wonder if they would stop you from entering the show if you went anyway. You probably look like you're close to 21...

Sadly, Mohegan Sun will not let those under 21 into even their concerts. Their reasoning being the gambling. I think that this is wrong!!! Why should someone my age by denied the right to hear such great music because they cannot leave gambling out of the area where they hold concerts. Anyways...maybe they will go somewhere else in my area??

I love Things We Said Today...both the Beatles version and America's version. I think it's a great song and I hope they play it in Reno again this year...

Erin :o)

Here are my suggested cover songs:

CRACKERBOX PALACE by George Harrison: It contains a brief chord sequence that has a delicious "dying fall" quality. In lieu of a sax section, I suggest that D&G break out the kazoos.

I'LL FEEL A WHOLE LOT BETTER by The Byrds: Tim Connors calls it the Platonic ideal of a Byrds song. This tune is custom-built for the electric 12-string guitar. But America should go one better and perform it with 2 electric 12-strings in co-synchronous orbit.

WHEN LOVE COMES TO ME by The Association: I don't even know if it's available on CD. The vocal harmonies are miraculous.

LET'S GO AWAY FOR AWHILE by The Beach Boys: Yeah, that's right. D&G should hire a whole orchestra just for this one tune. And they wouldn't even get to sing on it.

HERE'S WHERE THE STORY ENDS by The Sundays: Here's a chilly-chorded tune that sorta gives me the creeps. (Not that there's anything *wrong* with that.)

Hey Lazlo,
Your not the guy that broke into Friar Park, are you? (Just a joke, a bad one at that!) I for one(being a "poopy head" fan of The Fabs) like "TWST" I've yet to see it live,& hoping they play it when I see them. BUT as someone else said, if they replace it w/God only knows, that would be GREAT, & I guess I wouldn't miss it that much.
I ALSO think AND I LOVE HER is a beautiful ballad, love George's spanish guitar work on that song.

ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE,LOVE.
LOVE IS ALL YOU NEED.(another LOVE "repetitionism")

LOVE,
EDDY

Better yet, how about the guys doing a Beatles set.....
Just like the Chipmunks sing the Beatles. Gerry was a chipmunk.
Get the correlation!!!!
How many remember that LP? and still have it????
Just like Phish doing the whole Beatles White LP in Concert!!!!!

If they are going to do a Beatle song, I think they would sound great doing "I Shudda Known Better" or "If I Feel In Love With You".

Personally, I would rather see the guys add one of their many other wonderful tunes. When they first added "Things We Said Today", it seemed so out of place to me since everything else they did, except "California Dreamin", was their own. But they do sound great on it. Not being a Beatles fan, I only vaguely remembered hearing it before our guys started performing it a couple of years ago.
I am hoping that "All My Life" will be performed when they play Humphrey's in San Diego in June. I'm still waiting to hear that live, and since they're only doing one show, hopefully it's the REALLY LONG SET! And I'd still love to see "Old Man Took" make it's way back into the lineup!
I can't get up to Santa Monica to see Phobicman, but I'm hoping we get to see them perform in April at an art fair downtown San Diego.
ShariL <><

I aggree,

I like hearing D&G perform songs that were originally sung by someone else. It's an opportunity to hear their great vocals in a different way. I like their cover of "Things We Said Today". I would be in favor of them dropping it ONLY if they were to pick up another song to cover whether it be another Beatles tune or not. I would think that singing a cover song in concert, gives the guys a little variety over the songs that they've been singing for all these years. As for me, I would love to have a whole CD of cover songs by America!

Lazlo, I'm interested in knowing what song(s) you would like to hear G&D cover instead of "Things We Said Today".

Robyn or anyone else present from last night, how was the Live Chat? Anything particularly interesting discussed? Who all was there? I tried to join on but my internet provider was down (again).

I know us America maniacs (me included) want to here all the America songs we can, partly because they are familiar to us. I personally would prefer they skip replacing an America original with some cover. But the masses, (averge America concert attender, my wife included) like hearing something familiar. The Beatles, along with the Mama's and Papa's are familiar to the general puplic. So I don't mind America keeping one or two covers in the set for the friends I take with me.

Well, I like Things We Said today ( although I am confusing it with Toy Matinee's Things She Said) Dewey and Gerry seem to be having a fun time performing it. One of the things I enjoy about live performances is watching the artist enjoy themselves ( I saw Christopher Cross recently-- he could have mailed in his performance)

I agree that THINGS WE SAID TODAY should be removed from the playlist ASAP!!!!!! I would like to see a GOD ONLY KNOWS version from America added to the playlist. Then IN THE YEAR 2525 would be a good son for America to cover.

Memo to Steve Lowry and All Mankind: There is an additional reason to begrudge America for performing a Beatles tune called THINGS WE SAID TODAY. (Besides the fact that it stinks musically.) That tune contains an unforgivably cheezy line: "Love to hear you say that love is love." McCartney's love repetitionism also reared its ugly head in AND I LOVE HER: "And if you saw my love, you'd love her too. I love her." (I swear I'm not making this up.)

i agree with lazlo--would prefer "never be lonely" over "things we said today" although the boys do a great job on the beatle tune. my favorite songs live are "woman tonight", "windwave", & "another try". listening to "woman tonight" live is fun & gives me a severe case of being happy! it's become a family favorite. ...i get the shivers up and down my spine...

A new message board, and Gerry is actually answering the questions there ( that's very nice, don't you think?) But I doubt it will replace this one.

Here are a few of the new things that have been added to the VenturaHighway.com web site:

1. A new "From A Moving Train" entry written by Gerry
2. Gerry's photos from the stage (are you in any of them?)
3. A new message board
4. An "email a friend this site" feature

--SteveL

Welcome Melissa;

You have come to the right place if you are searching for fans of the coolest musical group in the world known as AMERICA. Your Mom obviously has good taste in music!

Mohegan Sun Casino is about a 2hour drive from where I live here in Connecticut. I saw them in concert last year at the Oakdale and they were terrific (as always!). If you have not yet seen them live I would highly encourage you to do so!

PS: I would also like to recomend the following albums:
(these are my personal favorites)

America
Homecoming
HatTrick
Holiday
Hearts
Hidaway
Harbor
Hourglass
Human Nature

Hi Melissa !!
Many of us in the New York region make that drive up to the Mohegan Sun to see the group. I'm just one of many. Of course, you may be from up North, but it dosen't matter...it's very much worth the trip. Enjoy!!

Andy

Welcome Melissa! It's always nice to "see" new faces here!

It's not fair that Mohegan gets 2 dates this year. But, anyway it's nice to see younguns enjoying the eternal sound of America. At least u will have your hearing left at age 50 by listening to the mellow sounds of a group that can actually sing.

Well, I am new here and really like the site. I am 17 now and became very interested in the band last year when my mother bought one of their greatest hits CDs. I had never really heard of them but the songs were familiar. Soon after I became hooked on them and love listening to them. May 5 they are coming about an hour or so from my area so I hope to go to the Mohegan Sun Casino to see them...? Anyways, I don't think that there are really any songs by America that I don't like. All of them have good qualities to them. The top three songs I enjoy most are Ventura Highway, Horse With No Name, and Daisy Jane. The other good thing about the band is they were all cute. :) (Okay, I admit it...Gerry is still really cute!) Well, I will leave it at that for a now.

Please join me this evening. I will be in the chat room after 7 Pacific.

Beechlady-- are you still hosting an East Coast time Chat?

SIGNED POSTER 30 YEARS poster
This 18” X 24” poster has the classic AMERICA logo at the top and below there is a blue sky with clouds, a long highway with fields along the sides, and the words “HIGHWAY: 30 YEARS OF AMERICA”. The poster is signed in bold, black marker bY Gerry and Dewey. BID NOW. COA

Lazlo, I don't know if you've ever heard America play "Things We Said Today" live before, but they do an excellent job and I love it. It was obvious from the audience reaction during the playing of the song, that they liked it too. So, I'm not in favor of having them remove it from the set list. I respect your opinion but I think you're in the minority.

Pat, I bought it at an auction. Had to fork out $20 for it. The test LPs for "Hearts" and "America Live" were available too but I could only afford the one. "Hearts" was priced at $25 and "America Live" was for $20.

Thanks Steve for the photos. Looks like a good time was had by all.

Johnny; how did you aquire your 'Test Pressing Of Harbor'?

Robyn, to my home address that you have. Thanks!

To All: Still regarding "Harbor," I have a Taiwan pressing of the LP. The cover likes more like an album sleeve but I've been told that it's the cover. I personally still have some uncertainty. It's like a sleeve with a plastic cover over it. The front of this "LP cover" is identical to the front photo of the U.S. released album sleeve but with the "America" oval logo above the photo of the trio. So maybe is really is the cover. The back of this Taiwan "cover" is is identical to the back of the U.S. released album cover but it's in b&w.

The record's label reads:

LI MING
AMERICAN
Produced By George Martin

It appears with "AMERICAN" on both sides instead of "AMERICA". The label's color is orangish. There's a lot of Chinese writing on it. I asked my dad about what is says and he told me that it pertains to this company, Li Ming, being a subsidiary of Warner Brothers.

By the way, although I don't own the 10x8 promo photo from "Harbor," I believe the photo is the same one as the color photo of the trio on the front of the US released album sleeve but in B&W.

I would like to know this from our Aussie and British America friends: Is the "Harbor" title spelled the American way or the Aussie/British way, "Harbour", on your Aussie or British released LP? I'm guessing that it's like the American way.

That's ok Johnny. I have your address, unless you want them sent to another location!

Robyn, please send me one. I can't locate your work e-mail address at this moment because my "Leaco" e-mail is still down but I want to contact you quickly before they're all gone. I'll send my home address to your personal e-mail address as soon as I'm able to. Thanks! (Hotmail is still working for me but I don't have your work e-mail in my address folder on Hotmail.)

Noticed the band will be coming through Boise again (7/1/01) and playing at The Pavilion. They played there three years ago, and this indoor arena has just more than 12,000 seats. Was wondering what ticket sales were then, and if they were good is that what prompted them to book it again? When I saw them last summer outdoors in Sandpoint, Idaho, I'd say there were about 3,000 people at what I would clasify as a more America-friendly venue.

I have a rare album of "Harbor" in that it's a "test pressing," I think it's called. I'm not totally sure but that's my understanding. The LP label is white and the only words on the label are: "1977 Warner Bros. Records Inc. Available only to technical and authorized personnel for the limited purposes of testing and review. NOT TO BE PUBLICLY PERFORMED, REPRODUCED, SOLD OR OTHERWISE DISTRIBUTED."

The album cover is all white as is the sleeve. There is nothing on the sleeve nor the cover. No words, no pictures, no poster. There is a 8 x 10 sheet of paper taped to the cover. It lists the songs on Side 1 and Side 2 with the writer's name and with the playing time.

It also has the following information on this sheet of paper:

FROM: LORRIE JANSON
DATE: JANUARY 25, 1977
ARTIST: AMERICA
RECORD #: BSK 3017
JOB #: 690,022
LABEL: WARNER BROS.
RELEASE DATE: FEBRUARY 15, 1977
COLOR INK: BLACK
RECORD SIZE: 12 INCH
REVISION: 1/31/77 Time change


"Time change" and the playing time listed for "Down To The Water" are both underlined. The time is, 2:35, which is the same as the "regular" release. Apparently, it was initially different. The words, "Harry Goes Surfing," is etched in the space between the last song and the paper label on each side like the "regular" LP.

I am glad you liked them Steve. One of the bookmarks is from the Oz ehibit that was here at the Central Library. It commemorated the release of the Wizard of Oz 100 years ago. All the items in the exhibit are owned by one person ( including, the highlight of the exhibit in my book) one of the original hourglasses from the classic 1939 film.

The other bookmark is from an exhibit currently showing here called "Picture Perfect- Selections from the Gladys English Collection" This collection of original illustrations from classic Children's Books is world class.

I have a few more bookmarks. If anyone would like one or two, send me your address.

Talking about "Things We Said Today" and "Never Be Lonely", I think the two songs have a similar sound. Someone else here mentioned that before. Someone besides me.

Beech, I liked reading what you said about your "Harbor" LP. The was funny.

I think Gerry reads almost as much as I do!

STEVE LOWRY SAID: "but in the second show they omitted the Beatles song (THINGS WE SAID TODAY) and replaced it with NEVER BE LONELY".

THINGS WE SAID TODAY. Now *there's* a tune that never fails to bore me to tears. Hopefully, they'll eschew it altogether in the future.

Hey John L....I want to teach at YOUR school! Who needs third grade anyway?

On a more serious note...I actually spoke to someone in the "Arts" at a near-by college and mentioned that I thought "America" would be a great addition to their "Cultural Series". I gave them all the info. I had on management, but was unable to give them a "ball-park" figure for a live America concert. I hate to bring this up...but does anybody know how I would find out this information...short of ME contacting management? (I sense that the college feels America is out of their price range.) My e-mail is: Neene@altavista.com

Thanks!

Nina

My Harbor story....
I bought Harbor the day it was in Lansing stores. My girlfriend loved it as much as I did and wanted to borrow it for a couple of days. When she had it, she decided to put on of the pictures on burlap for a needlepoint project for Art 2 class. When she put the Album on the OPAQUE machine, guess what happened? Give you a hint, the RECORD WAS STILL IN THE SLEEVE!!!!!! I was now the proud owner of a Harbor Pancake!!!!! SO, instead of fessing UP and buying me a new one, she took the album back to the Lansing store and told the guy it had come that way in the package......!!!!!!!......The manager gave her a new one (I STILL to this DAY can't believe that!) and worried that maybe ALL his stock was damaged by heat.....

TkH<--------Monster

Hello everyone,how well I remember Harbor,I picked it up on a weekday after I had finished art school on a shocking wet evening in Guildford, Surrey.How wonderful to see the tropical setting sun,and a magnificent poster,fabulous photograph of the Anaheim stadium concert.I'm going out on a limb here but this was the weakest album by far on Warner's and contributed to their lack of major popularity.What was needed after Harbor was a strong studio album,not that there was a thing wrong with the Warner's live album,the record buying public simply forgot that our boys existed,no chart action until "YCDM".Mind you Harbor had some good tracks but too inconsistant to be great.

Hello everyone,how well I remember Harbor,I picked it up on a weekday after I had finished art school on a shocking wet evening in Guildford, Surrey.How wonderful to see the tropical setting sun,and a magnificent poster,fabulous photograph of the Anaheim stadium concert.I'm going out on a limb here but this was the weakest album by far on Warner's and contributed to their lack of major popularity.What was needed after Harbor was a strong studio album,not that there was a thing wrong with the Warner's live album,the record buying public simply forgot that our boys existed,no chart action until "YCDM".Mind you Harbor had some good tracks but too inconsistant to be great.

Wow, Robyn, that was very interesting what you had to say about the novel, "The Monster". I don't recall hearing this before. If that isn't the case with Gerry's "Monster," that is indeed a major coincidence in my opinion.

Ah to have countless $ at your disposal to be able to hire Gerry, Dewey, Brad, Michael and Willie for your own entertainment. I wonder if I cancel, say grade 3, at my school next year and use that money from salaries, heating, paper, textbooks etc ...maybe, just maybe I could get "America live in Halfmoon Bay". too cool.
j

"Harbor" was the first America album I bought when it was a brand new release. I remember stopping off at the mall, buying the album, and then having to endure the fact that I couldn't immediately listen to it. You see, my folks and sister had a Sunday dinner date (I believe it was Easter weekend) with some family friends immediately afterward. When we got there, I politely asked if I could listen to my new album on their stereo. Naturally, I couldn't listen to it at the volume I was accustomed to (I was 15), but I was thrilled with this memorable first listen.

As I'm sure I mentioned before, "Harbor" was far from my favorite America album, but I shared the same reaction upon acquiring the CD last year: It was like an old friend coming back for a visit. "Sergeant Darkness" and "Sarah" are among my faves.

Jim R.

Speaking of Timothy B. Schmit....he's got a new solo CD coming out the first of May, called "Feed The Fire".....look for it, I'm sure it'll be a good one....."Amazon.com"

Great pictures Steve....for those of us who can't be there to enjoy the music, thanks for sharing.

The Mesquite concert photos are finally available. Sorry for the delay!

One other quick note. A few weeks ago the band was playing a private concert in Puerto Rico. It was sponsored by a large U.S. corporation for some of their top employees. They were so impressed with America that they are having the band play another private gig in Mexico later this month. Of course, that doesn't surprise any of us!

FYI: None of the private concerts are included on the concert schedule. So, even though it looks like the guys are taking a break at times, they're still doing a lot more touring than any of us know about.

Cypress Records was a small record company in Los Angeles that GERRY BECKLEY was working with & the plan was to release his 1st solo - however they went "under" & the solo masterpiece (VAN GO GAN) eventually was released by another label.

By the way that 30 minute HARBOR piece which was narrated by their manager John Hartmann was an introspective into AMERICA & promotion for the coming release of HARBOR. It was very well done. I am not clear on how much it was shown on TV.

I haven't been online in awhile so I am doing a lot of reading. I read about two things that struck a chord if you will. First Harbor and Hideaway are two of my favorite America recordings. I am a sucker for all the harmony that is on these two albums, which brings me to Dan. I love three part vocal harmony and the oft-used three part guitar harmony America used on their early albums. They are truly fantastic. I was in favor of a G, D, and D reunion but I have come to the point that I have a tremendous amount of respect for Gerry and Dewey for simply keeping this group alive. The duo is a life's work and the trio was simply beautiful for a season. I love many of Dan's songs. My two younger daughters, 8 and 9, love "Don't Cry Baby" as do I, but like I stated earlier it was just a season for the trio. Thanks Gerry and Dewey for being a part of my life for the last thirty years. Your music does calm me. It is an important part of my life.

I see another song from Parks' CD, where Gerry, Souther, and Timothy B...all three sing background vocals together. It's called, "The Ghost Of Johnny Ringo". I have yet to listen to it but will later tonight.

Cool!

"I want my Gerry on the radio/I want to see him on 'Solid Gold'/I want to be there when he steals the show/I want my Gerry on the radio"

No, I haven't totally "lost it" but close. LOL! I see in the credits of a song sung by a country music performer, John Andrew Parks, that Gerry is credited with being one of four background vocalist on a song called, "Daddy On The Radio". The lyrics above are from this song but instead of "Gerry", it's really "Daddy".

The credits read: "Gerry Beckley appears courtesy of Cypress Records".

Cypress Records, huh???

The CD is called, "John Andrew Parks" and it is definitely a country CD. I see other names that are friends of Gerry and Dewey's: Andrew Gold, JD Souther, and Timothy B.

Robyn sent out some bookmarks to a few America fans and I think she also mentioned them earlier on this chat folder. Since she sent a couple to me I thought it would be fun to scan them in so the rest of you could see them:

Link to Bookmarks

Thanks, Robyn.

THREE CHEERS FOR RHINO RECORDS!!!!!!!

D&G's release of their cover of the single, "California Dreamin'", was released 22 years ago this month and as we all know, John Phillips died this month, just the other day. What would have been kind of eerie is if Phillips would have died on Monday. You know..."Monday, Monday"...can't trust that day?

Another thing that would have been eerie, is if Dan's bio regarding Gerry and had been #29 instead of what, #31? You know, twenty-nine being Gerry's favorite number? But, it wasn't #29 and that's good.

Where is this? Where was it shown? Is it available?
Marshall

The Harbor Documentary is probably the last footage of all 3 guys
together, as we know them....America!!!! It runs about 30-40
minutes. In a way, it's weird, but very entertaining.
Shows them doing a couple of songs..."Are You There" and some
others. Has anybody seen this? or remember it? Priceless.
hl

The only fault I find with "Harbor" is that it's too short. Overall, I like the album too

I love that album, every song, every cut. I bought that album three times because I played it so much that I wore two of them out. Honest. In fact, I remember playing Side One over and over again so much that it was a week before I turned it over and played Side Two. There's not a song on the LP that isn't among my favorite by each of the three guy's. Are You There?

KevinS.

Thanks Tom T. The great thing about the fans here is that we can voice a difference of opinion respectfully, with out one person callling anothere an @#%$&*####!

I love Harbor myself. Always did. I was a newlywed at the time it came out, so it has that connection, but "Sarah" is one of my favorite all time Beckley tunes.

I have asked this one before, so I will ask again anyway. The song "Monster" was inspired, I understand be long periods of time on the road. However, I see a lot of book themed tunes in America's work. So to that end, there is a short story ( novella really) by Stephen Crane ( he of the Red Badge of Courage Fame-- which inspired the CSn tune Wooden Ships) The story is called "The Monster" and it is about a well loved handyman who burns his face in the act of saving the life of a small boy. He is kept hidden, as the burns have made him "The Monster" but he gets out and walks through the town. Has anyone else read this story? The song really reminds me of that story. ANy opinions?

Hi everybody- I finally received my "Harbor" CD and I just wanted to say- I LOVE IT! It was never my fave overall, but hearing these tunes now is like getting reacquainted with an old friend. I always felt that Gerry's songs on this LP showed him at a creative peak ("Sargeant Darkness"/ "Sarah"/ "Monster") but I must admit that "These Brown Eyes" is the tune that should've clicked for them.(That's probably my fave Dan Peek Tune!) I really cherish this recording! I just finished mixing the final tracks of two songs for my forthcoming CD! It's finally getting together, but it's still got a ways to go! Hello to all- I really loved the interaction over the Fab Four Opinions. This is a FAN-tastic Chat Folder! Mama Cass and Papa John are harmonizing in heaven! It must sound beautiful! I will always reflect on John Phillips talents with respect- imperfections and all. He has always been one of my inspirations and he always will be. tt

OUR BEAUTIFUL WEST COAST THING by Richard Brautigan

I sit here dreaming long thoughts of California at the end of a November day below a cloudy twilight near the Pacific listening to The Mamas and The Papas. THEY'RE GREAT. Singing a song about breaking somebody's heart and digging it! I think I'll get up and dance around the room. Here I go!

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Can you guess what tune he's referring to? My guess is I SAW HER AGAIN. Which contains the following lines: "I'm in way over my head. Now she thinks that I love her. Because that's what I said. Though I never think of her. But what can I do---I'm lonely too. And it makes me feel so good to know you'll never leave me."

Well, my comment about John Phillips' struggles were to point out that he got thru the. I am not denying that people were hurt or that lives were ruined, I am simply stating that John made it to a place beyond his drug abuse, philandering and lousy parenting skills. I am not nominating him for sainthood. I enjoyed John's music. Period.

RmP<<----- (Reading the bio, I know I read too much!)

Now that you mention it Johnny I guess I am better off !!! LOL

The new CD from The Old 97s is out today. Satellite Rides. Buy it.

KevinS.

First let me say that I have not now nor ever in the past sent an email flame to Tk condemning anything she posted. Just incase somebody thinks that she was refering to me.

Second, I felt a response was needed since the "judge not" post was obviously directed at me. I know the Koran would condemn Phillips' behavor and I'm pretty sure the Gita and most other scriptures from the world's major religions would have condemned him also. But regardless, the post referenced the Bible and that verse in particular. So it was appropriate to respond using the Bible. Please note that I was not the one who brought the Bible into the string to begin with.

I wasn't hoisting a bible, since I'm NOT a scholar on THAT subject(I'm not Christian as a matter of fact-although I'm sure the two aren't mutually exclusive). I guess I could have picked a quote from the Koran or the 'Gita or anything from Tao........Since I'm usually bashed up side the head for getting the topic AWAY from the music, I was trying to point out that what I was getting at in the prior posts was that John Phillips was (as was mentioned earlier)a vocal arranging GENIUS. I don't give a RIP about his personal life (didn't read the bio, don't care to). So his "morality" means zip to me. Just as Oasis or anyone else that exists has their "issues" (lol) HERE in a MUSIC folder (oh, my GWAD am I STICKING TO TAWPIC!?!?!) it's about the MUSIC. So the NEXT time someone decides to send me semi nasty email about NOT being on topic, guess I can point to this semi-occasion as my one contribution to society (snicker)!!

TkH<----post#tatooed on my @## (snicker)

Ahh yes, the old “judge not …” defense. I wondered how long it would take for someone to pop up with that. That verse has become the most quoted verse in the Bible these days. People use it to try to escape the consequences of their actions. It is also the most mis-quoted verse, because it is usually taken out of context. It is taken from Jesus’ sermon on the mount (Mathew chapter 7). It does not mean that we should not judge others at all, since later on in the same He passage tells us to judge the fruits of others. But it is a warning that we should not judge hypocritically, because others will judge us with the same standard that we use to judge them. In other places the Bible tells us to judge righteously.

Actually I think this verse may apply in the situations concerning famous stars, just in a different way. For we tend give a wink and a nod to their failures. But if the mechanic down the street did the same thing, we would be saying, “Lock him up! He’s a danger to the neighborhood and a menace to society!” But if you are a rich star who sings some songs that we really like, we respect him for have survived such struggles. If John Phillips had been a mechanic instead of a singer I doubt that we would be saying “Sure he abandoned his wife and kids, pushed drugs, and let his kids become addicts, but boy he could sure tune a Chevy so that it really hummed!”

So those of you who refuse to judge Phillips for his “struggles”, then to be true to the “judge not” verse, do not condemn the drug dealer who may start dealing in your neighborhood. Don’t condemn your spouse if they leave you and the kids for some barely legal teen. Don’t judge your spouse for making dangerous drugs available to your children. Because that is exactly what John Phillips did! It’s just that you want to excuse him because he wrote and sang some wonderful songs.

Where is the double standard now?????

Ahh yes, the old “judge not …” defense. I wondered how long it would take for someone to pop up with that. That verse has become the most quoted verse in the Bible these days. People use it to try to escape the consequences of their actions. It is also the most mis-quoted verse, because it is usually taken out of context. It is taken from Jesus’ sermon on the mount (Mathew chapter 7). It does not mean that we should not judge others at all, since later on in the same He passage tells us to judge the fruits of others. But it is a warning that we should not judge hypocritically, because others will judge us with the same standard that we use to judge them. In other places the Bible tells us to judge righteously.

Actually I think this verse may apply in the situations concerning famous stars, just in a different way. For we tend give a wink and a nod to their failures. But if the mechanic down the street did the same thing, we would be saying, “Lock him up! He’s a danger to the neighborhood and a menace to society!” But if you are a rich star who sings some songs that we really like, we respect him for have survived such struggles. If John Phillips had been a mechanic instead of a singer I doubt that we would be saying “Sure he abandoned his wife and kids, pushed drugs, and let his kids become addicts, but boy he could sure tune a Chevy so that it really hummed!”

So those of you who refuse to judge Phillips for his “struggles”, then to be true to the “judge not” verse, do not condemn the drug dealer who may start dealing in your neighborhood. Don’t condemn your spouse if they leave you and the kids for some barely legal teen. Don’t judge your spouse for making dangerous drugs available to your children. Because that is exactly what John Phillips did! It’s just that you want to excuse him because he wrote and sang some wonderful songs.

Where is the double standard now?????

Great to see the train is back in action. Not to be an antagonist or anything, but it was interesting to read Gerry Beckley's comments about anything new coming from Rhino. What ever happened to Oxygen?

KevinS.

I see Gerry posted his pictures. Neat. Anyone here see themselves?

>>As a parent and role model, well....Blech!!!!!<<

John is a role model, a HOW NOT TO BEHAVE role model. I just enjoyed his music. His life was full of turmoil of his own making. I wish his spirit peace.

"...>>John Phillips was a very talented singer and songwriter. As a man >>and a father he was an utter failure

I guess not everyone can be perfect, huh? Wasn't it Bible quotation "judge not lest ye be judged"?

TkH

I'm not sure just how I can put my two cents in without offending anyone. As far as that bible quote is concerned, what if he (Phillips) had HYPOTHETICALLY murdered a bunch of people and beaten up several old ladies in wheel chairs? Should we still not judge him because of that bible quote? Obviously, at some point, it becomes fair game to pass judgement. Just what that point is is debatable.
It can be argued that since this is a music forum, and since the Mamas and Pappas were a music group, the discussion should be kept strictly to music and not personal issues. For what it's worth, I feel that the rotten transgressions that John Phillips committed is very much fair game because he has admitted most of the negative stories about him. In his autobiography, PAPPA JOHN, he is extremely candid and graphic about his numerous wrongdoings and failures. The way I see it, if he has admitted to it, and in fact has PROFITTED from his writings about his wrongdoings, then it's open season on his conduct...at least talking and judging his conduct.

One thing is for sure: As a songwriter and especially as a musical arranger of harmonies, he had no equal (except for Brian Wilson and the Beatles...). As a parent and role model, well....Blech!!!!!

Andy

>>John Phillips was a very talented singer and songwriter. As a man >>and a father he was an utter failure

I guess not everyone can be perfect, huh? Wasn't it Bible quotation "judge not lest ye be judged"?

TkH

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I was hoping to get out to Mesquite for the express purpose of taking a picture of Steve Lowry taking a picture of Gerry Beckley taking a picture of the audience. But instead I went over to the Bob Dole University record library and looked at some M.C. Escher drawings and listened to tunes that are about other tunes. Meisterwerks like: I DIG ROCK & ROLL MUSIC by Peter, Paul, & Mary. THANK YOU FOR THE MUSIC by Abba. And, of course, I BELIEVE IN MUSIC by Mac Davis.

Stay tuned, folks. I also intend to post a follow-up post about The Making Of This Post.

I promise I'll get the Mesquite photos out as soon as possible but things are really hectic this week. In the meantime, here's a photo of Gerry using his digital camera to take a picture of the audience at the second show (as he mentioned in his From A Moving Train entry).

Photo of Gerry using his digital camera

Here's a direct link to Gerry's latest From A Moving Train entry. -Steve

Thank you, Gerry,for the update! I am looking forward to seeing the "bands eye view"

I do not resent Dan for leaving, but know several Fans’ of the 70’s do. I have immensely enjoyed the Duo and singular work of the 90’s (Hourglass, Human nature, Van go Gan. Peace). If he hadn’t left, the whole group might have blown and we wouldn’t have any America today. Very few threesomes work forever. Eventually one feels at odds with the others. Maybe Dan felt pushed when the other two didn’t care for the direction he wanted to go. So, I’m not sure whom to resent from that childish frame of mind where all that matters is the music.

I do dream the three would give it another try for a new Album cut, as many here know. I love hearing Dan’s lead guitar, chord picking, harmonies, and lead vocal mixed in with Dewey and Gerry. Dan’s vocal on every song (Bodden Town) is a bit much for me, though. I have a homemade CD of Dan/Peace favorites, Van Go Gan, and Human Nature mixed together. The mix leaves me wanting to see the three of them put it together again, even if just for one song, while they still can.

Fifteen works for me. That is the year I went to my first Rock Concert by a group who had recently won a Grammy for best new artist. But my wife leans to 50 and 60’s music, which is well before her Era. I like listening to her 50/60 music and my children’s music of the 90’s and now 2000’s (or whatever you call this decade). But, I’m a victim of my youth at the mid life crisis stage, and gravitate towards music of the 70’s.

I know what you mean. When I first found out that Dan had left I was really mad at him. But when I found out why he left, I understood it wasn't because of some petty dispute. It was a matter or principle for him. So I forgave him and enjoyed his solo work and Dewey and Gerry's work as America. Of course, anytime there was a new release by either, I always thought "what would that sound like with Dewey and Gerry singing along with it" or "I wonder what songs Dan would have come up with for this album".

Have been away for a couple of days so I apologize if this has been mentioned already and I just missed it but Gerry has added a recent entry to VentHigh.com. Very cool about SGH and Sopranos.
Have a slip from the post office informing me about a package. Must be Dan's Driftin'. Can't wait.
Hey, Tom!
j

i'll agree there are certain groups that i'm partial to probably because of an age - although for me it was during my college years, not 15. after all, my "old enough to buy music years" began in the early 80s and (not trying to offend), i didn't feel i had much of a selection - that is until progressive/industrial music came along or when alternative music was ACTUALLY alternative. otherwise, i mostly bought late 60s and 70s music even though i was too young at the time to appreciate those bands in their glory days.

when mentally going through my all-time favorite bands, i think it's their lyrics (saying things in a way i can't) or the types of instruments they emphasize or they "feel" like people you would want to know.

Well Joe (Knight), at least your name's not "John" (short for Johnny) and is slang for a toilet or some horny guy as KevinS might say. Now that's an "ouch". LOL

Man, those Ides must really be STRONG this March....lol

TkH<------like Maggie said!

"It's so *Dan*." I can dig it. I have a profound respect for Dan for persevering thru the resentment he's generated after quitting the group. Many people---including myself, first & foremost---can't help but begrudge Dan for leaving and weakening the synergy. I sure as hell don't *want* to begrudge him, but I nevertheless *do* in spite of my better judgement. Can you imagine what it's like for Dan---to be the focus of other people's resentment? Dan's heroic stoicism is a major miracle. And I wish him nothing but total peace of mind---despite the petty resentments of jerks like me.

But you're not an average joe! You're an above average joe!

Dan's Driftin' keeps getting better each time I listen to it. It's so 'Dan', if you know what I mean. I love his artwork on the cover. I hope he continues this tradition on his next CD.

Probably in a tiny pub somewhere in England at one time or another, their were a couple of Beatle fans bashing music from America. Guess it all evens out in the end.

Scott Mckenzie's SAN FRANCISCO was a John Phillips song that left an impression on me. CALIFORNIA DREAMIN'...now there's a song!

Well, they couldn't be average "Robyns"--lol

Ouch!!!!! I hate that term " average joes" Joe

Glad you got a chance to go, Steve!! I wanted to...but Mesquite is a little to far for a day-trip. Can't wait to see your pictures!

Erin :o)

Pat, that's an interesting theory regarding "the age, 15". Personally, I was 16 (with a mental capacity of 15, LOL!). But, I think if I were 25 and heard "Homecoming" and America's first album for the first time, I would have become a fan starting at that age. I've often wondered what it is about America that appeals so much to me/us. I think it's just that magical sound and the wonderful lyrics that touches something deep down in our soul.

Regarding Papa Phillips, I think he (and his bandmates) put out some incredible music in their very short life as a band. Wasn't it something like only two-three years?

None of us remembered to mention this on March 15th: "I've seen the IDES OF MARCH/ and I've seen the fall of Rome" (G's "FAMT").

(For those that may have e-mailed me in the last several days, I can't access my e-mail due to my provider replacing their server. Please use my Hotmail address instead. And even then, it's iffy.)

Oh yes, I'm sure making millions of dollars and being adored by many fans makes life much harder than scraping to get by day to day. Man, I amazed how any millionare star can manage to get out of bed in the morning.

Sorry, but I have far more respect for someone who actually resists temptations and spends time with his family and raising his children, than someone who abandons them to satisfy his own lusts and then in old age after the damage has been done decides to try to mend fences inorder to sooth his conscience.

John Phillips was a very talented singer and songwriter. As a man and a father he was an utter failure.

I have seen many "average joes'" survive similar stuggles. Being a pop "icon" does not cut them any more slack, in my book. It must be difficult, however, to overcome divorce, infidelity or drug addiction in a fishbowl. I admire ANYONE who has gone through the fire and come out stronger.

Hey, like I said he was a great singer and songwriter, so that makes his "struggles" as you put it ok. It's part of modern culture to excuse the "struggles" of pop icons, whether they be singers, athletes, or even presidents. But we seem to be much less tolerant of the average joe who may go through similar "struggles". Me thinks that perhaps society would be better served with more good fathers and a few less "creative geniuses" and all their "struggles".

Mark, c'mon tell us how you REALLY feel! John Phillips was a human being, admittedly, he had quite a few faults, but his struggles were made in the public eye and he still managed to create some of the most timeless music of his generation. In his later years, he seemed to get it all together. The world will miss his creative genius.

>>"What exactly IS it that endears a certain group to certain people?"<<

Obviously there is more than just one simple answer to this question. Could it be the lyrics? Could it be 'form' the lyrics are delivered in? (Rock n Roll, Rythem and Blues, Rap, etc.) In my opinion, I have always believed, as Chris states, it has something to do with a person's age when they're developing their own identity. I personally think it's the magic age of 15. I was 15 when I discovered America (and another group called Kiss). When I heard Homecoming (and Kiss Alive) for the first time at the age of 15 I was hooked for the rest of my life. However, my opinion is NOT based on scientific fact. Just observation. Many of my music loving friends are the same way. Ask them who was their favorite artist at the tender age of 15 and they'll be able to tell you the answer.

Farewell John Phillips, even though you were an adulterer who abandoned your wife and children for a 16 year old babe, consumed and gave out illegal and harmful substances, enabled your minor children to become drug addicts, and had several run-ins with the law; you were a great singer and songwriter. In today's society that makes everything ok.

I’m with you Lazlo. From my zero Beetle mania perspective, you simply voiced a preference for America over the Beatles. Several people came out with Iron fists to defend the beloved FAB, at the expense of a fellow America FAN. I’m with you Lazlo. I’ll take America over the Beetles anyday, along with the punches, knowing that the masses don’t see it the same way. To Each his Own.

Sheesh. Some of you people are ludicrously thin-skinned. All I said was that I prefer America to the Beatles. Because America has a buttload of introspective subtlety and the Beatles didn't. The Fabs can't hold a candle to America. And I deeply resent the fact that the Fabs are overrated while America is underappreciated. Am I bitter? Sort of very.

NED ROREM SAID: "Until an Absolute is established as to what defines 'good music', I will retain my right to call trash certain works of Beethoven: the Emperor, the Appassionata, the end of the Ninth."

thought it was fortuitous to hear "let it be" immediately followed by "ventura highway" on my drive this morning.

to me, the beatles are a complete package of awe - charm, creativity, wit, individuality...pioneering through a swirl of impossible expectations society had for them.

aesthetically, it's hard for me to believe the contrast of music that came before and what came after. i've worn out my "rubber soul" cd and there are days when the white album is about all i need.

at the same time, a tv program that promoted this new cd basically had them inventing television, curing polio, and winning us the space race. whatever. it's that sort of insanity that ended their touring days.

for me, loving the beatles is loving like an ideal or a memory. loving america is like loving a friend.

Godspeed, John Phillips.

I'd guess:
Dan - Lonely People
Gerry - I Need You
Dewey - Ventura Highway
.... assuming that the guys have a favourite, but maybe that changes as they change with the years........
Chris

Good to see you still posting here - maybe if we keep asking for America to come back Down Under again, they'll make a "Ports-of-Call" tour after Odyssey????
I also see a near Aussie, Neil Finn, has released his second solo effort - "One Nil" (next we'll have "Hat Trick"??). I am looking forward to hearing it soon, as he is one of the most respected songwriters going around anywhere.
Chris

I read somewhere recently that some research has been done on this. From what I remember (which is not not much these days!)it said that the music you 'keep' in your heart for life is the music that impressed you in those formative years of developing your own identity, say age 17 or 18 through to 21 or 22. I don't know how scientific it was, but seems to work for me!! The other piece I remember is that we will keep going back to the songs of that era as we age - maybe it's a comfort/feelgood thing. Anyway, can't get much better than America for feelgood.
Chris

Soundtrack of you life? Sheer Genius? Lyrics? What exactly IS it that endears a certain group to certain people? I'm sure that the answer varies-but is there a common factor? Is it chemical? Certain music is timeless to one and muck fodder to another.....it'd be an INTERESTING social/scientific study for some PhD'er to look at!

I'm thinking it's a chemical thing. I don't know WHY......unglamourous, sure-but from the gut.

Maybe I can influence my son (who wants to be a researcher) to do this in about 15 years...(lol)....for now, I'll just be happy to get him to school on time.

TkH<-------H is for Harris...rofl!

The highest praise one can receive is making another think!
Thank you JimR! (((C=

TkH<-------thought=all that matters

Passing of a true genius. His vocal arrangements have YET to be surpassed.......sigh.

TkH<-----------pause

Guess what...I DO listen to The Beatles. Count the songs by them that have the word "LOVE" in either the title or lyrics. Have respect for your elders, living AND dead! They had an excellent producer who put them out there, even in their raw form, before any experimenting was done. Whomever started this round was speaking of The Beatles as individuals, and I agree. Quoting a late great critic, or even the critic himself who uses words like "mundane" and "banality" doesn't have any more authority in his opinion than if I were to say I don't care for anchovies on my pizza. Guess you had to be there to see how different the world was before they came along. As with some other groups mentioned on this folder, SUCH AS AMERICA, the total is/was greater than the sum of its parts.

I apologize for being not only a Beatle FAN but a PRODUCT of The Beatles. If I were Afro-American, they would have been my Martin Luther King. So I don't have a mind of my own and I always looked "up" for something better. Wow...all of a sudden, it was once again "cool" and OK to have a hair-do like we see on our dollar bills, and founders of this country, as we learned in school, without being called "queer", beat up, or killed. Obviously, just the styles weren't everything, since they're cyclic, but there was definite evolution there. Buddy Holly, Elvis, The Beatles, and Stones all broke ground, but where did they get inspired? Could it be good old American cotton field Blues? It is a documented fact that the group America was inspired by CSN&Y, who were inspired by The Beatles, unless you want to cut out the middle-men. Hey, some folks could say that America was part of the British Invasion, if they wanted to really stretch it! So go ahead...bash part of me and others here, but don't expect a lack of reaction unless your intent was to stir up trouble in the first place, and if you're naive enough to think you're justly using your right of free expression, then you better be able to take what you dish out.

Dewey is sounding damned good these days, guitar AND vocals!

Interesting. Paul Simon (on this VH-1 Classic Album segment) just said that "Graceland" is his favorite record and favorite song I ever wrote.

I wonder what Dan, Dewey and Gerry would list as their favorite personal creations. And please, no "They're all special in their own way" ideas. That's boring.

Maybe the answer will come on the next 64-set album review!

Jim R.

Ironic that, just as I was getting ready to respond to this post, I hear a familiar voice on VH-1. I look up at the television and there is Ringo Starr introducing the Classic Album segment (featuring Paul Simon's "Graceland" tonight).

I don't have a problem with opinion, even when it conflicts with mine. I had to deal with that professionally as a newspaper editor for years. I often learn from people with differing opinions than mine when they present their opinion with fact. (Want an example? Fine. Beechlady. Teri makes me think, and I like that.)

However, opinion that is based on nothing more than "Here's what I think" mentality often lacks something.And inevitably irritates. Freedom of speech is fine, but let's put some thought into that freedom as well.

For me, both the Beatles and America are special. The Beatles were born the same year as I was, so I was obviously influenced by the hype. But I listened as an adult. My feelings toward certain songs have changed because I have changed, but even when certain songs no longer mean as much to me, I still enjoy the musical effort. I seldom fast-forward through a Beatles tune, picking up something different each time I come back to the music. I'm a Beatles fan and, while I respect that not everyone is, I have to admit I have very little patience for someone who simply says the Beatles are overrated or Paul McCartney is bland. Sure, whatever.

As for America, they truly became my first "favorite" group in 1976. Like the Beatles, their work hit me at the right time. But I became a fan by listening to each and every song on each and every album. It's easier being a Beatles fan because so many people are. But I wear my pride for America as strongly (remember that belt buckle), and while I understand that America isn't for everyone, I'll continue to take critics to task who, say, criticize the band for the condition of their shoes. Face it. America is a place of opinions, but some people exercise that right just to garner attention to themselves.

Oh, and I'm also a Julian Lennon fan. But that's another story.

Jim R.

Mike, when I found out that the Salt Lake City show was the same week that I would be in Hawaii, I had to go to Mesquite. It was well worth the 4 1/2 hour drive!

I had the Casablanca concert on my mind ever since you posted it here. Good to see you were able to make it. I really enjoyed the two casino shows in one night I experienced last Fall. Wish I could have been there. Now She's gone, I'll look forward to the June SLC concert. Hopefully I won't miss that one.

The Beatles RULE!!!
There, I said it! For A group that hasn't been together for a decade that can have a # "1" album on the charts (w/no"new" material), SOMEONE out there must like them! If I remember the posts right, even "the bashers" did mention songs that they liked, so even if you hate The Fab's, I'll bet there's at least a few songs that they have done,that you have to admit to liking.
I like ALL their stuff, to see them progress from "With The Beatles" to "Abbey Road" within a span of 7 or 8 years is a feat itself.
But, hey, I guess The Beatles are not everyones cup of tea.....

Just got back from three wonderful days in Mesquite, Nevada (I left Utah snow and enjoyed the Nevada sunshine). Last night I saw both America concerts at the Casablanca Casino and Resort and the guys were in SUPERB form. I took a few photos with my new digital camera but I haven't even had time to see if they turned out yet. The one that I hope turns out is a picture of Gerry taking a picture of the audience with his new digital camera. It's getting late and I still need to unpack and get ready for work tomorrow, but I wanted to let everyone know that I was back in town and would be updating the Fans web site soon.

By the way, I agree with Mike about everyone being able to share their opinions about the Beatles. Personally, I like them and I have all of their CDs. But I know people who don't, and that's OK. The diversity in us is what makes life interesting (i.e., not boring).

Thanks for the note, Robyn. I'll be checking...

-SteveL

Who's Beatle bashing ? One person stated a Beatles opinion. I'll add mine. I don't listen to the Beatles. I listen to America. If they influenced America then great. Because, I'm an America maniac.

To Each His Own. Don't be afraid to give us your civil opinions.

I was sad to hear the news. I read his Autobiography PAPA JOHN. This is a sad day for America fans since our guys covered California Dreaming.

Andy

I absolutely loved the early Beatles! I had to beg my Mom to let me watch the Beatles on Ed Sullivan that Sunday night in 1964. It seems that Bonanza was my Moms favorite show and it was on at the same time. I was 8 at the time...(She finally relented) I was less of of a fan of their later work. It seems to me that their drug use affected their work negatively in my opinion. But this seems to happen to a lot of bands. They came onto the scene with a unique sound and just blew everybody away. Then their individual egos, and drugs and alcohol got in the way and they changed... I bought 2 copies of "1" though, one for me and one for my 23 year old daughter who was taking a rock and roll history class at UNC and has become an " old" music fan. Anyway I love about 2/3 of the CD but the latter songs just didn't appeal to me. But thats the way things are. People and groups change and the world moves on. What makes me happy though is our guys are still out there making music and touring so we get to see them every now and then and remember when we were young...America rules!!!!! Joe

John Phillips writer of California Dreaming & founding father of the Mamas & Papas has passed away, 3/18/01.

I was never a big fan of the Fab 4. In fact it wasn't untill they were into their solo careers (during the 70's) that I got interested in the Beatles. They never became my favorites but I certainly respect their songwriting and singing skills. Their music has staying power. And I'm pretty confident that they had an influence on many other popular bands from the 70's, including America.

Hi to all of you!!!!
can anyone tell me how can i buy that cd??
thank you
Fede

Hi to all of you!!!!
can anyone tell me how can i buy that cd??
thank you
Fede

Tom,
Al Stewart has been fortunate to have worked with great guitar players. Jimmy Page once played lead guitar on Al's Love Chronicals CD. Peter White is another awesome player. I actually prefer Al's more recent guitar player, Laurence Juber. He was at one time a touring guitar player with the group WINGS. With Peter White, Al's CDs began to take on a feeling of "PETER WHITE FEATURING: al stewart. If you look carefully, Al didn't even play guitar on his last few CDs with Peter White....an insane thing considering that Al is a fine guitar player in his own right. This is not intended to take anything away from Peter White. He is a master of the guitar, it's just that I prefer how Al blends with Laurence Juber a bit more.

Andy

No, it really doesn't. While I can sort of understand people being a wee bit weary of the great Beatle Hype, You have to remember that for good or ill, they changed the direction of popular music. Personally, I still love the Beatles and am rediscovering them allthe time. But I think bashing them has no place here.

RmP<<<<------ Climbing OFF my soapbox

Yes- Al Stewart is phenomenal! He is another Genius that never really got the credit deserved! His "Russians and Americans" LP is great! He been the victim of Record labels folding after he put out great recordings. Yes, get the latest- he is great! And I agree- whenever Peter White works with him, he really excels! Trivia- On his "Last Days Of the Century" CD released in 1989 there was a female vocalist feature predominately on a couple of tunes. She went on to co-write a song with Al on his "Famous Last Words" CD ("Charlotte Corday"). She is a highly respected singer/song writer & performer nowadays! Her name...Tori Amos! interesting, hmmm... see ya. Oh and a quick Hello to all of you that I haven't been in touch with! My CD is almost finished...really! To John Lussier- you really DO have great musical taste! TT

Wow- I haven't posted anything here for a long time- and what a surprise to me today! In these days of virtual crap being force fed to the youth of the world (music-wise) to even put down the Beatles seems sacriligeous. Yeah Rah Rah for free speech, but people really...Beatle Bashing???! One of the things That really impressed me was that the Musical Genius known as George Martin saw the potential In Gerry, Dewey & Dan when no one wanted to touch them or play their tunes on the radio.(Remember The "Hat Trick" fiasco? The Vinyl Shortage, and ""Muskrat Love" assisted in labelling AMERICA unwanted and unpopular). But Sir George saw something in them that he felt deserved to be heard. When "Holiday" came out I can clearly remember the comparisons to the Beatles. And the comparisons were extremely valid. the songs "Mad Dog", "Another Try" and "You" clearly had the "Abbey Road" imprint on them. "Tin Man" was so completely refreshing to hear on the radio and I know it was because of Sir George and the Beatles' connection that forced radio programmers to play it. So please be gentle when putting down the Beatles- they really assisted America in sustaining momentum in their careers (in a "below the surface" kind of way).Imagine the pride the AMERICA felt when Sir George took the job of producing "Holiday" because..."he was responsible for producing The Beatles". (Let alone the fact that George Martin really inspired Gerry with the gift of learning the art of producing). There's something to discuss---Why doesn't Gerry Beckley get the Credit he deserves for being tremendously gifted not only as a song writer, but as a producer!!! Gerry & Dewey have got to be a little uncomfortable reading these postings putting down the Fab Four. Really! I'd rather be tied to a chair and forced to listen to "She Loves You" ad nauseum, instead of being forced the reality that Eminem actually won Grammy Awards! And then to log into the America Fans Chat Folder and find America Fans Beatle Bashing! What is going on in the world! The end Must be near- quick I better go listen to a Dan Peek CD!

I'll certainly be there psychicly...mB, you and company ARE great! All you left coasters are SO lucky to live where you live! What a mecca of talent you get to pick from!!!! (C=

TkH<---------rain?

the late Walter Phobicman will be playing at the famed Santa Monica Pier on March 31. I would like to encourage everyone who can get there to BE THERE!

agree GERRY's son is very. very good. I think he finishes school this year & is likely to pursue music full time. So I think we will hear some good things thereafter. He has enough songs for a CD release, so let's hope he gets a deal. He definitely has a musical brain like Dad & even dabbles on the keyboards as well as the electric & acoustic guitar. He is his own man but does have some tunes where he sounds a bit like his Pop.

I just down loaded songs from PhobicMan's site. Is that for sell yet? Does anybody Know where or how to get it. I am a die hard America fan but, Jerrys' boy IS GOOD! I have to have it. Any comments?

Everyone have a happy and safe one! Erin go bragh! ( not a message to our friend Erin, but means, I believe "Ireland Forever")

Steve, I sent you something via snailmail that's what I meant. The message to your e-mail came back as delayed delivery.

Yes.

Yes, Erin this night was special. Best concert I've been to in a few years and right up there with the Eagles when it comes to greatness. I believe you are in Reno, right? You will be in hog heaven in August when America plays The Nugget. I may have to take the train to Reno and catch all 4 shows. Wouldn't that be an all-time collossal kick. ALL MY LIFE was indeed an encore song before they did HWNN. Personally, I'd like to see HANGOVER be one of the encore songs. That song is one that grows on a person & would be ideal for an ending when they play the casinos. But, nothing could ever replace HWNN as the finale. That one brings tears to my eyes every time I hear it. Thanks Erin for responding to my post and enjoy the AMERICA experience as many times as you can. Life doesn't get much better if you have a little AMERICA in it from time to time.

red oak

I've been holding back commenting on this, as the Beatles, for a lot of us, were the start, the catalyst in our interest in poular music. With 27 #1 hits, it is hard to say anything else. They, after all, also inspired America, and many other artists to achieve their full potential. And I am still inspired by Beatles music.
What I wanted to put up, was a personal note on Sir George's influence on America. I can't wait to see Dan's episode (next?) about 'Holiday'. As you can guess, it remains my favourite album, by any artist. Part of that relates to being a guy with the name Chris Holiday.
I was captivated by America from the start. In those years, batching with friends, we would sit around playing along with America. I could only play the chords, my flatmates were more accomplished musicians, but we all 'connected' with the feel, freshness and rawness of their
music. Then, come 1974, the radio started playing "Tin Man", and my flatmates became a little anxious. I remember comments about 'going electric', 'upbeat tempos' and such talk from them. As I did not have their ear for music, although I could hear the changes, I still loved the songs, which was even more evident as you listened more. Having just been married, after some lonely years, and other incidents coinciding, such as the 'name' thing, I connected more than ever to Dan, Dewey and Gerry's songs.
We moved interstate soon after, and lost contact with my old flatmates. But I know other fans did stop buying America albums soon after Hearts, and certainly by Hideaway time. I can see that the creative spark was dying as a trio..... so I really want to hear Dan's views here ... if he will post them, as to ....why? He has already said their best creations came from writing separately. If Sir George was pushing the 'group' thing, we may already have our answer...........
Sorry for such a long post..... I was just thinking out aloud.
I was going to post about 'History' - how it came way too early for our guys. Sure, it was ,and is, a successful album - why wouldn't it be? I just question the timing......??
Regards
Chris

>>His music makes me wish I lived in Florida...

God, Erin, I'M SO SORRY......(snicker)
Ok, Ok, I'm sorry all you Floridians. I just haven't adjusted YET (after 3 long miserable years...lol).....they say it takes about 5-11 years after you move. Does anyone else have a story?

TkH<------barriers

Thanks again KevinS. One and the same song - it was covered here in Australia in the 60's by a group called "The Loved Ones" - any Aussies remember it? Are there any Aussies reading this? It has something about "carrying the lad who was born to be king over the sea.....??" in it, so it sounds like a traditional arrangement. Is there anything else in the liner notes about it?
And Erin - someone who puts America and Bubba up there as faves, has to be a soul mate. I think I've got more JB albums than America's, and I've got all America's. If Dan has gone more 'island', I'm buyin' it.
Thanks again...
Chris

Wow! All My Life!! How lucky is that...sounds like a wonderful concert!

Erin :o)

I just have to say here that I LOVE Jimmy Buffett...saw him live last year...he's tons of fun to watch. His music makes me wish I lived in Florida...palm trees and the beach. Perfect life!! Have a great weekend everyone!!

Erin :o)

ps...what do you buy for a 4 year old's birthday??? anyone got any ideas??

I really fell in love with PAGES. I even put it on the outgoing tape of my telephone answering machine. The guitar work on that song is just sensational.

Andy

Beatles music is like a time clock. "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" reminds me of being in 1st grade, can you believe it? I think of a crazy first-grade classmate named Si who would sing that song more times than I wanted to hear it, from him anyway. But, to this day, the song makes me feel happy just like "Riverside" and "Three Roses" does. And of course, the Beatles on The Ed Sullivan Show. My four siblings and I would watch the hour-long show just in case the Beatles came on anytime other than during the end. We just didn't want to chance it. And boy did I want a pair of those Beatle boots. Never got 'em. And "Revolution" and "Hey Jude" instantly takes me back to my favorite school days...junior high, "The Wonder Years"! In high school it was America and John Denver. I outgrew John Denver but like everyone here, still growing on America!!! Oh yeah, anyone else remember the Beatles cartoons on Saturday morning? They were great!

Messed up my post. Anyway, as for the Beatles I wasn't a big fan...Liked some of the songs though. When the Beatles were in their heyday I was living with an Aunt in Newark, OH. and we were what was referred to as "holy rollers" so any radio I listened to then was by sneaking ...we dressed ultra-conservative...no tv,radio, etc. I like to say now that if we had beards we'd been Amish.

jb

I liked it when Peter White was with Al Stewart. I only have 2 Al Stewart albums but will probably buy this new CD. The man is a storyteller.

John,
You can count me as a certifiable Al Stewart freak. I saw him in NYC last October, and I bought his "Cellar" CD that night. He is going to be at the Mohegan Sun Casino in Connecticut on JUNE 9. This is the same place that America has played at in the past. This is definitely worth the trip.

Andy

What a great song. It's my favorite Dewey Bunnell song. ...sure would like to see the nylon stringed guitar somewhere on the next CD.

jb

Well, seeing as how you just named two of my fave Beatle songs among the non-singles, I can see you've heared your share of Beatle music. (In addition to Lennon's "Cry Baby Cry" and "She Said She Said," I have too many other personal songs to list without a discography in front of me, but McCartney's "Yesterday" and "Long and Winding Road" AREN'T among them, I assure you.)

I objected more to your blanket-all statement about the Beatles being mundane. That is plainly ridiculous. But they're not for everybody, certainly. As far as being overrated, I went through this same set of emotions when a toy magazine got shock mileage in declaring a couple of years ago that the "Star Wars" trilogy was overrated. Well, duh, anything that becomes a pop classic of immense proportions pales against the hype. But I truly believe the Beatles (and Star Wars) transcended tradition, broke new ground, and basked in deserved popular glory. If not everyone can see why, well , what can I do. Except remember that, when the Beatles broke ground, they were nothing. It's hard to evaluate a legend after it becomes legendary.

As for "Sister Golden Hair," what can I say except that was Gerry amd George at their finest, with competent help and that harmonic sound from Dan and Dewey. No argument there.

Jim R.

Hey, this is great, hearing from some America fans whose names we having seen before or perhaps in a long, long time.

Again, regarding the "Silent Letter" album cover, I saw where Gerry autographed that cover in a very unusual way. Not only did he sign his name but he also circled his face (and Dewey's too, I believe) and wrote "Pie Face" on his own face on the cover.

(Ger, I like it better when you don't draw an arrow from your name to your photo when autographing an LP. It just looks better without the arrow. "Hope my message don't offend and drive you 'round the bend." Certainly don't mean to. jy)

I was pleased to be able to witness last night something that every person should witness. That would be an AMERICA concert where they played around 27 songs that featured the greatness that each musician possesses. Highlites for me were Hangover, Sandman, California Dreamin & the encore songs "All My Life & HWNN."
Special too was the fact that my wife was able to attend also after having to miss the June '99 concert in Denver because of Cancer surgery. Having her with me made the night more enjoyable and her cheering and applause made this my America dream.
We were fortunate to be able to get autographs, pics, and meet these brilliant men that call themselves America. Willie,(my fellow Iowa native from Shenandoah) was busy packing equipment, but the rest were so nice that they could pass for brothers. Thank you immensely for making this a night to remember. Take care, stay wee and we will see you in Denver at the Paramount on June 22. In the meantime, work on a new arrangement for "Muskrat Love." That would be special.

red oak
alias(Jon Nazarene)

I know there are few Al Stewart fans on here. If you do not know he has a new album out called "Down In The Cellar". Not available in NA yet but I got my copy in 3 days via Amazon.co.uk Great cd. Best in years IMHO.
j

Yes, sir, Holiday, it's the same Skye Boat Song you were referring to. And, as a matter of fact, the song Froot Joose on Dan Peek's new disc is very Buffet-like.

KevinS.

MEMO TO JIM RICCIOLI: Contrary to your supposition, I haven't been underexposed to the Beatles. On the contrary, I've had them out the wazoo. Don't get me wrong---I don't *entirely* hate the Fabs. I just resent the fact that they're overrated. I like lesser-known hypno-tracks like CRY BABY CRY and SHE SAID SHE SAID. But it's not for nothing that Lester Bangs called Paul McCartney "the biggest bland-out on the boards". I like SISTER GOLDEN HAIR's Harrisonic slide-guitar more than any actual Harrisongs.

Mr.'s Peek and Buffet? Now THAT would be SOMETHIN'!

In the early '80's in Grand Rapids Michigan the venerable Bruce Grant (R.I.P.), a radio deejay on the old WOOD-AM/FM (only in the morning) introduced Mr. Buffet - "Here's that lastest song from a really popular rock and roll act I don't play much,,,,,,,,,Jimmy Buuuuuufey" Mom didn't know what I was guffawing about....

TkH<----------watery tart

I guess you also have to look at the age that Sir George "grew up" in. Petula Clark, Cilla Black, Spike Milligan, PETER SELLERS (?!), Shirley Bassey,,,,,,,,You start to get the idea. Music was all about spit and polish, "a-beginning-middle-and-an-end"! So I hardly blame him for going the route he has (not that anyone else has either)!!!!
I gotta figure, if you don't learn one way you can't do the other justice (!?!)? Just a thought.....(C=

TkH<----------If I hear just ONE more bass line......aaaaaaaaargh....

Hi all, I came across this site which has mp3's of our very own
Matt Beckley's band. Please check it out, we're missing some
really great stuff. Liketo hear from people in California that have seen him in concert.

http://artists3.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/the_late_Walter_Phobicman/

Thanks all for the feedback - thanks KevinS - it looks like I'll have to mortgage the house for some US$$'s and buy Driftin'. What's with this "Ske Boat Song" - is that the "Speed bonny boat, like a bird on a wing" thing?? Wow, that is old worlde. I am gettin' a feeling that Dan must now be going around with Jimmy Buffett............. Just kiddin'
Chris

Thanks Johnny, but we still don't have an explanation for this cover.
By the way, I think Dewey is thinking:
"Man, we have to stop flying economy class", or maybe....
"Aren't we there yet?", or
"You call this Magic, Russ?"
???????????????????????????
Chris

That has to be it - too good Shayne. "Human Highway" from the 1978 album,"Comes A Time", and a good album too.
Chris

AMERICA, my favorite group of all time. I say I'm their number one fan. This was the second time I've seen them play live. The first was on my birthday at Painters Mill Theatre in 1983, a gift from my brother. What a thrill to see them again tonight, and then to meet them back stage for autographs!! Dewey is my favorite member of the group. What a voice he has, and obviously a very likeable person too. They were all as nice as could be. Just love them!!

In fact (and I know this is a topic this folder has discussed at length), George Martin's role in both the Beatles and America should be subjected to differing opinions. Mine is simply this: Martin has a wonderful ear for pop music and was able to take contemporary ideas further than other producers of his era. But he was a pop producer. As John Lennon and Paul McCartney matured and expanded their music horizons, Sir George tried to rein them in. I appreciate his efforts, but I often admit that one of my favorite Beatles albums is the White Album, which Martin felt wasn't group-like enough and encouraged the Fab Four to slice from a 30-song two-album set into a traditional 14-song package. I'm sure he flt he couldn't adequately produce so many songs as effectively as he had in the past -- particularly now that the Beatles were no longer a touring band and craved creating material they didn't have to support live in concert. George's light touch on many White Album songs gave them a more honest feel. It's where I got the sense who John Lennon was musically, outside of being a Beatle. Another album that Martin had a small role was "Let It Be," which Phil Spector produced. Though Spector overproduced several songs, he also let the live session elements shine through on others, and I like those songs.

What I find interesting is how George Martin subsequently produced America. I can see his philosophy, which includes sometimes lavish arrangements and always a "shine" on songs. He helped shape America's soft rock sound. But the looseness or roughness of America's earlier work was lost, and to some extent so was the individuality of Dan, Dewey, and Gerry during the Martin years. This isn't a criticism as much as it is an observation. George believed strongly in the concept of a "group" effort, and he believed in polishing the music. He shares the Beatles' and America's success, but he shares in their failures to maintain an identity musically as individuals. It depends on what you want, Top 40 pop or angst-ridden art. I appreciate both, so I can admire George Martin without wanting him to produce every album I've ever enjoyed.

Jim R.

I can tell you've listened to nothing more than Beatles singles and hardly an album beyond Sgt. Pepper. The Beatles of the early 1960s were a pop rock group who had a great sound. But the Beatles of the mid to late '60s were sometimes painfully introspective, exposing inner demons, troubled times, religious beliefs, and artistic expression (again, sometimes to a fault.) Mundane? You gotta be kidding.

Jim R.

maybe AMERICA brings back HERE !
also wasn't it unbelievable the way GERRY played ANOTHER TRY ?

My brother bought this laser disk several years ago. He gave me a video copy of it last summer. I completely agree, Mike, with your comments. The energy that comes across is incredible. I particularly enjoy Dave Dickey's bass lines. Really stand out.
j

Got a chance this week to view this Gem. It comes the closest to what I remember when I saw the Trio in 76/77. Except of course, Dan and his songs are missing.

The band really as a great time as they go into long jam sessions with Jimmy Calire (keyboards and sax) and Tom Walsh (percussion) solos. I guess that’s what Dewey meant when he said they down sized in the 80’s. The fans have a good time. One holding the vinyl Silent Letter and many singing the songs. Dewey and Gerry seem to be at the peak of enjoying their Band. Gerry is really having a good time jumping up and down on stage as they swing their guitars around, just like I remember. Dewey, Michael Woods, and David Dickey all get into the fun out front with Gerry. It was refreshing. This America Fan site sure has it’s benefits.

I agree, beech. They have a real snobby attitude, as though they are God's gift. When one of them told George Harrison how much they admired the Beatles and how they had patterned themselves after them, Harrison reportedly answered "How nice for you" Gotta love it!

I guess the reason I don't really ENJOY Oasis to the fullest is the way they BEHAVE.......it kind of over-runs their music, perhaps even permeates (sp?) it......Oh, well. To Each His Own! (C=

TkH<----------Midwestern value priced.....

Thanks all for the info on the "Silent Letter" album cover, front and back. The promo photo that Capitol used for "Silent Letter" was an 10x8 like that on the front cover of the LP. However, the promo photo shows a wider and taller shot. When comparing the two, the photo on the front cover of the LP ends on the left, cutting off the right edge of Gerry's glasses and on the right, ending at the outer corner of Dewey's left eye. In the promo photo, you can see Gerry's right ear and on the right side, you can see Dewey's entire face. The promo photo, like the album cover, does not have the America logo that was used by Warner but merely the word, "AMERICA".

The "View From The Ground" promo photo is the same as the photo on the back of the album cover but not quite as wide of a shot. Chris, Dewey is reading, "If You Could See Me Now". The reason for Dewey's disinterest is due to his bad haircut and that tie he's wearing eas seen on the back cover of the LP. Just kiddin'. I've always liked Dewey with his hippie hair especially on "Silent Letter".

I just found an old post about George Martin that was posted by Steve Orchard. Here it is again:

For America fans hungering for every tidbit of info, I offer up the following: Former America & Beatles producer George Martin has a new CD out utilizing the talents of some of his "heroes" like Jim Carrey, Goldie Hawn, Celine Dion, & Robin Williams doing covers of Beatles songs. What's interesting is the picture on the inside of the cover for the liner notes---Martin is shown with an America shirt on, with that familiar logo. Also, Martin had some comments on America in the current issue of Goldmine magazine (dated November 6, 1998). The interview was conducted by Ken Sharp. Here's a transcript of the segment on America. It picks up with Martin talking about the Beatles:

MARTIN: "It was inevitable that the Beatles would spawn imitators and emulators. People wanted to be like the Beatles. So there's nothing wrong with that."

SHARP: "Still do."

MARTIN: "Still do. How are you, Liam? [Laughs]. In an oblique way, I worked with another group who had much more individuality but they weren't dissimilar with the Beatles and they were America. America were like an American version of the Beatles but they had their own homespun kind of songs. They were all good guitar players and all good singers and harmony singers. So there was that kind of illusion there. But I don't find anything wrong with people providing they don't imitate. I think Oasis have made a mistake in being so close to the Beatles and admitting---Noel actually said to me if he'd been born 20 years earlier he would have been Paul McCartney."

["How are you, Liam?" is a reference to Liam Gallagher of Oasis. His brother is Noel Gallagher. Oasis is a profoundly crappy noise-unit. They are perfectly devoid of any subtlety whatsoever. Even George Harrison has admitted to hating them.]

you are always welcome to join us kiri! It's a lot of fun ( at least it is for me!)

sorry i missed the chat...i guess my internet access decided to take a nap at the time you guys were letting me know...never was able to get back on last night - oh well, maybe next week.

http://www.hardrock.com/MusicBuzz/artists/directory/217.asp

Stephen Thomas Erlewine said: "A HORSE WITH NO NAME was released in the U.S. that spring, where it soon became a number-one single, pushing Neil Young's HEART OF GOLD off the top of the charts."

Holiday mentions that Dewey looks disinterested on the cover of View. I have always had that same thought myself. The photo on the back with D&G standing by the fence isn't so cheerful either. I really dislike the music on View, I think it's one of their worst records. I have always attributed the not-happy faces to the fact that Dewey and Gerry wern't so thrilled with album either. This of course is just my opinion. I understand that others on this folder have mentioned that they enjoy View.

Ironically, the America song that sounded most like a Beatles song wasn't even produced by George Martin. Inspector Mills always had a very McCartneyesque sound to me. But maybe that's just me.

KevinS.

well said. AMERICA is so deep, in a subtle way that most people can't feel it. Sir George once commented about SARAH, said some very nice things about this masterpiece of a song. I think though as producer he usually tried to show no leanings to specific songs - at least publicly. A diplomat he is.

Hey Bonz, without your address, I cannot fulfill your request.

What has George Martin (the producer) said about America? Does he have any favorite America tunes? Ya know what the crucial difference is between America and the Beatles? The Beatles were ham-fisted bastions of banality. Too many of those Beatles tunes are painfully mundane. They weren't introspective enough. Oscar Levant once described Debbie Reynolds as having "all the wistfulness of an iron foundry". I feel the same way about the Beatles. I prefer America because they have a light touch. And they've gone deeper with that light touch.

Thanks to all who joined me in a lively chat last evening. Those of you who were supposed to send me addresses, please remember to do so!

I'd guess HUMAN HIGHWAY.

Shayne

What Neil Young song takes it's name from two of America's album titles?
Chris

Thanks Johnny re the Alibi explanation. We'd be lost without you mate.
Next is View From The Ground. I think they were trying to make a visual joke - yes? Dewey looks pretty disinterested, and what is that book he is holding? You love this stuff don't you Johnny?
Chris

Ok you guys - I'm getting jealous not having any 3D or raised lettering now! The EMI Australia version has the same close up of G&D on the cover - "AMERICA" centred (that is how we spell it)at the top and "SILENT LETTER" at centre (sic) bottom. It's simple white flat print. photo on the back is G&D upper body shot, G with hands on hips (and D on waist. All black and white.
Oh - and it came with a very nice record inside. Actually, this was my first "born again" find at second hand record stores searching for my America lost albums. I remember enjoying that first listen tremendously, and it inspired me to keep tracking down the other albums I was missing.
Chris

From one Ter(r)y to another THANK YOU (on the wallpaper)! (C=

TkH<-------------stove popped popcorn with palm oil!

Well Johnny, you made me get out my old vinyl now (It was fun!)
Never even noticed it before, had to look at it up to the light to see it (could feel it) reminds me of The Beatles "White Album"..........

Hey, Johnny! You got my vinyl albums? Oh, wait. Here they are. Same as you, with embossed "Silent Letter" cover and stick on labels of that classic logo. (As a kid, I actually removed the shrink wrap plastic and then glued the sticker logo directly to the covers with white glue.)

I'm glad the CDs don't have the stickers, opting instead to print the all-important logo directly on the cover image. But what's with the missing logo on the "History" CD?

Jim R.

CHAT NOW! I AM ALL BY MYSELF IN THERE!

keri, go to the king biscut flowerhour link, under america-parachat, that gives the times. It,s pretty much open. I'll wait for you if I can. Also in same section is wallpaper (new) from Beachlady She did a good job.

when are the chats on wednesdays? (i'm central time zone) never been there before and i've always wondered...

It's Wednesday, and that means whoever wants to talk about Dan, Dan, Dan.... can. However America did not break up when Dan left. America keeps going and going, thank the spirts of music. Anybody want to meet at King Biscut/oxegen to discus the music, the concerts or the guys? Be there.

I agree with Kevin; Driftin is terrific.

Well that's very interesting about your "Silent Letter" album cover, Chris. I like learning about America things like this.

"Silent Letter" was released on June 15, 1979. A huge one page ad for the new release appeared in "Melody Maker" magazine dated July 21, 1979. It has a photo of G&D just like the back photo of the album cover. At the bottom of the ad is a small picture of the front cover. It's placed between G&D. It's a great looking black and white ad. The words at the top of the ad are centered (unlike mine here):

AmericA
*New Album*
SILENT LETTER

And at the bottom of the ad:

America's debut album
on the Capitol label.

I like how they spelled the word, "America", with a huge capitol "A" on both ends of the word.

Something that I noticed on the ad, I think is interesting. The words, "SILENT LETTER" on the front of the cover in this ad, are visible. They're in white. On my album cover, the words, "SILENT LETTER", are not in white but merely embossed and are visible only if you tilt the cover at an angle. How is it for you others?

Regarding "Hearts", my album came with a stick-on America logo. It was placed on the wrapper. All my other albums (from "Holiday to "Harbor") all had the logo sticker placed on the wrapper.

I have noticed that some "Hearts" album covers have the America logo printed directly on the cover. My guess is that these were later issues because I purchased "Hearts" on April 1, 1975 (no foolin') and "Hearts" was released on March 19, 1975.

Regarding my favorite America duo album, that's a tough choice between "Alibi", "Hourglass", and "Human Nature". I think I lean toward "Alibi" today. Tomorrow it may be different.

Holiday: If you buy just one Dan Peek album this year...you really ought to buy more. But if you can only get one, I'd go for his latest one, "Driftin." Check out the guestbook on Dan's website and you'll see quite a few people agree.

As far as the only America albums, you can get them on CD. Go to www.venturahighway.com and click on the merchandise section, then on the music section. You'll see all the CDs for sale.

And if you can buy only one America album, all I can say is, that's a damn shame.

KevinS.

Hey Guys - Not my LP - It's only got 2 dimensions. It's an EMI Australia copy. Down Under got flat treatment, however, our version of "Hearts" did come with a "stick on" heart/America logo!! So, the Aussie embossed album was "Hearts". Nothing like having two right answers Johnny!! I have also seen a Canadian version with no heart logo or America logo - just the photo of the guys with the bridge behind!
On the subject of LP's, I have not been able to get all the albums on CD - I only have versions of Harbor, Silent Letter, Alibi and Perspective in vynil. I would love to get a copy of Alibi on CD. Anyone know about availability? Also, I am planning on a Dan Peek purchase, but finances mean just one for now - so what is his best album since going solo? Can I ask for a straw poll here?
Thanks all,
Chris

Not that I'm questioning Tom Peek's honesty, but his perception might be skewed because of how close he is to Dan. There has got to be a little friction somewhere between Dan and Gerry, and possibly Dewey and Dan (though that's not as evident)if Dan's autobiography is any indication. That, in itself, is not reason enough for the trio to nix the idea of a reunion, however. It has to be something else -- for a lack of a better way of stating it, maybe Dan's way of looking at life isn't consistent with how Gerry and Dewey feel. His religious fervor is certainly strong, and its intensification did coincide with the trio's split circa 1977. Plus, the successful touring career of Dewey and Gerry certainly is a factor in placing any reunion ideas aside. Still, those vocal harmonies are a quality worth reviving, if only for one tour or one album. A modest hope on my part, and one that D & G have pretty much indicated they have no plans to fulfill. Sigh.

Jim R.

The exact quote from Tom is, "There is no personal friction between Dewey, Gerry, and Dan. Everything happened a long time ago, and my personal recollection of all three of the guys, is that they were three very personable individuals with a lot to offer as artists."

Steve, according to the info on the album sleeve, the song was written by Chris Christian and Steven Kipner. It was published by Christian's (Home Sweet Home Music) and Kipner's (Steven A. Kipner Music) company. There is also "RSO Music" listed. The publishing year is 1978 which would lead me to believe it was all done by DG&D after Dan's departure.

Are you asking because you're wondering how the relationship between the three was soon after Dan's departure? If so, it appears to have been good. If I may be bold and I hope Tom Peek doesn't mind, Tom told me the other day that "there is no friction between Dewey, Gerry, and Dan."

Was recorded on Dan's first solo LP, "All Things Are Possible" in 1978.

Does anyone know if Love was just another word was recorded before Dan left the band or did Gerry and Dewey help him with his solo career after he left.

Endearing term: "dollfaces". No doubt referring to the "Alibi" album cover. On that same show, Wolfman called Gerry, "Gary".

When D&G were on "Classic Rock With Wolfman Jack" and "Alibi" was out, what endearing name did Wolfman call the both of them?

Ding, ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner! Yes, Pat, exactly. Very good! Not only are the words, "Silent Letter" raised from the surface but the word, "AMERICA", is too.

Regarding "Silent Letter", I heard someone once say something to the effect of, "This album doesn't have a title." I remember thinking, "Wrong, it's at the bottom on the front cover but it's hidden..."silent" if you will. Check it out. Only on the LP cover and not the CD cover is this evident.

Good job Pat B!

Robyn, hockey, soccer, whatever. LOL

Hint: One meaning of the word, "emboss" is to raise in relief from a surface.

"Hearts" isn't what I had in mind, Chris. Keep tryin' though.

Regarding the "Alibi" album cover, the guys selected it from Henry D's collection of photographs merely because it was unusual, I believe the story goes.

I remember seeing the album cover at the record store when it first came out. I picked it up to look at it because it was so strange-looking with the severed doll's head. What a surprise it was to see that it was an America album. At the time, I had no idea that they had released a new album. It's definitely among my favorites!

Well, I am home, having lost my voice ( much to the delight of all who know me) Can't work if I can't talk.

Re- the H thing. The guys say they started it when everyone called their first album " Horse with no name" even though it isn't the title ( much like the title of Jackson Browne's first album is NOT " Saturate before using") the second album, "Homecoming" reflected the band's status at the time and "Hat Trick" means a third goal in hockey and three bulls eyes in darts,so it made sense. Then they thought it might be fun to try to continue the theme. No American snobbery intended.

and yes, if Dewey won't do a solo album ( a question I asked him a long time ago Johnny, last MAY I believe)a book of poetry would be quite nice. He writes the most concise literate couplets I have heard in music in a long time. His visuals are excellent. Tjis former poetry teacher says GO FOR IT DEWEY!

Talk to you all when my voice returns!

Johnny, when you say "embossed" I think of the 'Silent Letter' LP jacket because 'S-i-l-e-n-t L-e-t-t-e-r' is raised.
Is that the answer you're looking for?

I naturally assumed that the H fetishism is a deliberate snub aimed at the London cockneys who routinely omit the H sound in words like *heart* and *hat*. Or maybe it's an intentional slight aimed at the Russians, whose language doesn't even include the H sound. Or maybe it's a tribute to a nameless horse.

Memo to KevinS: I'm not too thrilled by Dan's choice of "Sailing". Dan's version can only be an improvement. You mentioned Mark Knopfler. Are you familiar with a Bryan Ferry tune called "Slave to Love"? I recently found out that Knopfler played on it.

Thanks Steve and Robyn - the silent "H" - it makes sense now!
Next one is Alibi - any ideas?
Chris

Hearts? (wearing a heart on the sleeve).................

I have to agree Kevin that we are fortunate to still have all three guys producing new material. I play a lot of Neil Young, including Harvest Moon, so looks like I'll have to get Dan's new CD too! I was playing "American Dream" by CSN&Y today and it struck me how much Stephen Stills sounds like Dewey in some of his songs. Even without Young, CS&N seem to have always operated as individual artists in their own right. So it should work for DG&D too!!
Dan says that the guys always worked independently on their own songs anyway, so nothing has changed in that respect - although it may not be that we will again see another 3 x 3 plus 1 song album again.
Cheers
Chris

Yo, TT!
You a journalist or WHAT! V-e-r-y n-i-c-e! (C=

TkH<------------tuning freak

I really DO wish he'd consider it........they're always GREAT!!!!! Hey, or how 'bout a book of poetry?

TkH<-------------fainting!!!!!!!!!

YUP, I remember (I HOPE) seeing it played from the piano in '97 at venerable ol' Pine Knob in Clarkston, Mi.........

TkH<---------recovering from palpations!!!!!!!!!

When I say, "embossed," what America LP comes to mind?

Wow, I'm violating my curfew! 12:20 AM MT. Good night/good morning!!!

Hi Yes is was finally nice to meet you too. Always reading names now we can place the names with faces is that good or bad? ha ha.Always nice to meet an American fan. See you at the next show! Mel :)

Saturday (night) in the park, it wasn't the Fourth of July, but there were similarites such as fireworks, the small community setting of beer tents, hot dog stands, and representitives of all age groups. Nice meeting you, Melanie(Melzer) and Barry! Johnny, as was Steve Perry, I see That Rod Stewart is attempting a return after his battle.

Agreed, it was a short set, time and songwise, probably due to city ordinance and the fireworls schedule. Most of the band left immediately after Horse. They would have had to stay over a half hour before anyone could hear over the explosions, anyway. But hey...perfect evening temperature, almost full Moon rising, and I sensed performance QUALITY that would have had everyone wanting more no matter how long the set was. This is the first time I/we saw them since the Grand Cayman Island acoustic duo show 2 months ago. In a way, missing the Gulfstream show since then kind of gave a better continuity of seeing them as an acoustic duo, now back with band again, because the setting at Parkland was more similar to our last time...weather, night, our in-your-face "seats" on the grass front center. Nothing between us and the stage except those few feet of area where if you sat closer, you'd be looking straight up. That area became like a pathway where groups of kids were running back and forth every so often for the fun of it, probably enjoying their moment in the spotlight, whether they knew who was performing or not. It would have made an interesting movie scene or video when that eldery man was pushing a similar-aged woman in a wheelchair across, preceded and followed by the kids, all while the songs were being played and much to the amusement of the band. The smiles from the Guys showed their love for all.

2 girls to our left, young enough to be my grandchildren, kept screaming, "Horse With No Name!" between every song from the start. I jokingly told them that they don't do the song anymore, which made things worse. The Guys definitely heard them but were politely keeping their secret. Soon, the girls were enjoying all the other songs so much that I think they almost forgot. Gerry was "getting revenge" with his own digital flash camera, taking pictures of the audience between songs. I hope to see some of them posted here!

Other than the structure of the set being fairly routine, there was a palpable tightness and brotherhood in the performance. Dewey's electric solo on Sandman came across with such feeling put into every note as opposed to how we sometimes hear a million notes speed-played by others with zero soul, that I don't know if it was my own evolution, his, or both...sure, it's been like that all along, but there is "something going on" lately, I think. That something may just be the artists' maturing like fine wine as a group, professionally and individually, or else they're presently working on/considering new recorded material, possibly as the touring band we know.

If I'm wrong, it was fun to dream, and if it's my own maturing that's noticing something different and even better this time, then I guess I musta missed a lot in the past...and still enjoyed it to the max.

Congratulations Johnny and welcome to the 20th and 20th centuries--what took you so long???Will have to let you know when POP UP VIDEO of America is on again--going to check for you now.

My cable service finally has VH-1!!! Have had MTV for years but I don't really care for it. I'm having a great time viewing all the shows that I've never seen especially those on "Behind The Music".

Saw a great episode of Dewey's music friend Steve Perry and Journey. Wow, as a Steve Perry/Journey fan, I was so surprised to hear the trouble between Perry (due to his past health problem) and his bandmates Schon and Cain. They dumped Perry and are continuing with his replacement who is a dead-ringer for Perry in looks and vocal sound. Journey is coming out with a new CD next month. It will be interested to see how well Journey will do.

Melzer, Robyn asked Dewey that question about a month or two ago during a live radio interview and he said something to the effect that he puts all of his energy into America and isn't interested in a solo CD. Let's hope he changes his mind in the future!

What do you think? It is time for Dewey to come out with his own masterpiece....

Hi Yes there was a local band but I didn't get to see them. The weather held out for us. Hope they come back soon... Mel :)

Either way, that song is errific!


Gee Thanks for bringing up the "prefab four" Nina! Now I have "Last Train to Clarksville" stuck in my brain and it's TWO HOURS till I can get to my disc player! ( lol)

I think he's been doing it for the last 2 or 3 years. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the reason Gerry switched to the guitar is that he originally wrote the song on guitar.

Got Dan Peek's new CD Driftin' over the weekend and, after repeated listenings, I have to declare it is most excellent. It reminds me of Neil Young's Harvest Moon, considered by many to be a classic. So many of the songs on Driftin' are very early-America-esque. "Coconut Tree" has that vintage Dan Peek electric guitar ala Cornmwall Blank, etc. And Warrior King reminds me of something Mark Knopfler would have done, but he didn't think of it, Dan did. Dan's version of Christopher Cross's "Sailin'" is unforgettable. It's great to hear that vintage Dan Peek acoustic finger picking again. Warrior King is fast becoming my favorite Dan Peek song.

KevinS.

Maybe we America fans are better off not having the three of them together. In the past couple of years we've been fortunate enough to get two solo CDs from Dan Peek (not including a Christmas CD), a solo masterpiece from Gerry Beckley, with a really interesting remix reissue, three CDs from Dan Peek and PEACE, the Beckley Lamm Wilson CD and Human Nature from America. Whether it's together or separately, the three guys seem to have some reawakening musically, and we are the benefactors of it all.

I was wondering...when did Gerry start performing "I Need you" on guitar instead of piano? I seem to remember all of the "early" concerts I attended (1974 - 1980) had Gerry at the piano during that song? I lost touch in the late eighties and early nineties...so I'm just wondering if anyone can pinpoint the time of the change and the reason for it? I have noticed that the song seems "softer" on guitar than on piano...but I've always loved the song so either way, I'm satisfied! Just wondering!

Nina

P.S Brought nephew to see "The Monkees" in a major blizzard Friday night. (Not the smartest thing I've ever done!) Made it all worth while when he told me: "Auntie Nee, you know what?" "This is the best day of my WHOLE life!"

Robyn, I also remember reading that Gerry and Dewey said the title "Silent Letter" was a subtle reference to the letter "H" and the fact that it had been used on all the previous album titles.

I have always thought that "Silent Letter" was a tip of the cap to the letter H, which is often silent in the English language.

Wow..I am really impressed with Dan's writing style..I could actually see the desert he was referring to. Although not a desert rat myself (except maybe Palm Springs..lol..)..I could definitely have enjoyed a pack trip like that! I love horses and have wanted one since 8 years old..now Ronnie wants one..maybe it's time..sigh...
Anyway, the biography is really wonderful and I am so glad it is being posted. Looking forward to "33".

Well, Ronnie is back to school today so I'm back to work. I can't possibly scroll down to all I've missed during this short break..but I do see where Stephen added a new America fan to our roster..congratulations! I love babies..(everyone else's that is, thank you very much..) Anyway..I'm sure you all have better things to do than read my ramblings..so I will start scrolling..have a great week. Janice

Thanks Steve for the lead to venturahighay.com FAQ's re the "H" album names. Is that site ever updated? I see that a lot of it is from 1999?
Interesting that the "H" albums did not return until "Hourglass" - the last one prior being with Dan in "Harbor". I still would like to know the stories behind the album names from "Silent Letter" onward. Only "Your Move" seemed to have a title track featuring the album name - maybe the only America album to do so!!
Will 2001 bring another "H" album? I for one, am hoping so....
Chris

Were any regulars on this website present at the taping of America at the Crazy Horse or Wild Horse saloon last May that was shown on TNN last July? Often wondered as I watch that show whether I'm seeing anybody from the chat folder.

Also, wonder why "You can do Magic" couldn't be used as a promo for the Orlando Magic or Magic Mountain. Too bad Magic Johnson doesn't still play for the Lakers.

Is the usual playlist about 21 songs for an America concert. Will be seeing them Thursday in Ft. Collins, Colorado.

Tx.

I second that, CONGRATULATIONS!

TkH<-------better late than never....sorry!

BUMMMMMMMMMMMER, Mel........Were they the only show there or did they share with the locals? At least the weather held up!

TkH<--------Marilyn Mansoned out

Did anyone get to see the pompano beach show? Short but SWEET.They can put out the spounds but they need to play longerrrrrrrrr.... Mel :)

McCartney's comment that Eddy mentioned, reminds me of what Glen Campbell said about D&G's friend, Jimmy Webb, during Campbell's PBS concert last night, "Jimmy Webb is perhaps the greatest comtemporary songwriter."

I didn't know Jimmy Webb wrote that wonderful Glen Campbell classic, "By The Time I Get To Phoenix".

I could see McCartney showing up, Paul was the presenter in inducting Brian into the songwriters hall of fame, plus one of his all time favorite albums is Pet Sounds. He was quoted as saying "God Only Knows" is the greatest song ever written.

After much walking and pondering yesterday, I ended up changing the face of Rock and Roll.......My daughter (in her almighty wisdom-HAPPY 14th, sweetie, BTW) decided that instead of buying the computer she was saving up for (with Birthday, Christmas, RainyDay monies), she wanted a BASS!!!!!!! So it was on to Sam Ash for $470 dollars worth of Bass and equipment (hey, I'm not shelling out for an Aria just yet...lol!). At the beginning of the day it was bantered about that PERHAPS we might go see America in Parkland, but by the time my fingers were pried off the Mastercard and I could safely wrench my jaw shut (from being on the ground) I was all spent out...........

Anyway, hope to read something from someone who went! (Lori? TT? ANYONE?)

She was on page 32 of the book we bought her after only 3 hours, and could play stuff!!! WOW! She wants to join Bon Jovi now......sigh.

TkH<----------Rage Against The Machine'd out

I became a big Naked Ladies fan when a coworker of mine (back in the oooooooooooooooooooold days in Michigan) strong armed me into listening......WOW! Just shows you that some of those whippersnappers out there still clutch on to some vestages of good taste!!!! (LOLOLOL)

TkH<--------Rob-Zombied-out

My wife is a Big bnl fan at the cincinnatti show last year they played a little of Horse with no Name. I am not a big fan, but like a few songs from there live CD from a few years ago. These flowers have a Dewey Bunnell flavor to them

Brad

Eddy,
No problem-I will give you a thorough review-I just wish I was close enough to take pics--I plan on bringing my camera and hoping like always I can manage to get in the front but if not I will sit back and enjoy the show. Now must hope for America--I heard a rumor that Sir Paul might show up but that is just a rumor.

LisaRose,
WOW!!! Orchestra seats!!!!
I would give an arm & a leg to see that live! I wanted to see Brian Wilson when he was in our area, but do to other conflict$, we were unable to see his show. What an incredible list of preformers they have lined up so far, to see America on that list would be AWESOME!

I'm sure w/or w/out the guys it should be a fantastic show, I'll have to settle seeing it July 4th on TNT.
HAVE A GREAT TIME THERE!, if you don't mind I would like a report of
the concert afterwards.
EDDY

TerryT, Steve & Andy - I got turned on to BNL by a younger co-worker and my teenage sons. They seem to be influenced a lot by 70's rock and I think that familiar sound is part of the draw. I also like the lyrics - full of irony and wit. I agree that anyone who hasn't given them a serious listen should check them out. Gordon, Rock Spectacle and Stunt are my favorites. Maroon is growing on me too. The more I listen, the more I like it.

Steve, that is so cool that the keyboard player listed America as one of his influences, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who picked up on the similarities b/w the 2 solos.

TerryT, thanks for the technical information on how to reproduce that sound. I've recently put together a recording studio and have been experimenting with different effects. I'll have to give that one a try some time.

Alan

Eddy,
That would make a dream come true!!!So far the list is Heart, Elton John, Aimee Mann & Michael Penn, Sir George Martin, Paul Simon, Matthew Sweet -musical producer-Phil Ramone. Others will be announced soon--how incredible would that be if America was there too-oh I wish, I wish, I wish, I wish!!! I have orchestra seats!!

It would be GREAT if America takes part in the Brian Wilson Tribute, it takes place on March 29th, & it looks like AMERICA has that date open!
Guess the artists there will perform the entire Pets Sounds album. Would LOVE to see the guys get the "God Only Knows" or Caroline,No" spot!
Can anyone confirm that they will be there?

My son is an avid BNL fan and he said he heard the keyboard player say that one of his musical influences was indeed AMERICA. I told him when I heard the son Pinch Me that the end of the song sounded like the guitar sound of Only in your Heart! So the AMERICA influence is still out there. If any of you haven't heard BNL's music, you should give it a try.

Actually, I only have paid attention to BNL because of their Brian Wilson song--who I adore almost as much as America and it is rumored that they might be at his tribute show this month at Radio City along with Brian-duh and Elton John, Paul Simon, Sir George Martin!!!!!! among others. Can't wait for that --althought it was very pricey :(

A refreshing observation, Alan! You found my weakness in mentioning a Homecoming song. OIYH is pre-Sir George Martin, but it so shows how Our Guys were experimenting on their own BEFORE they met The Knight. Dan mentions this in episode 31 of his version of The America Story: "...We had lived and breathed the record, laboring over songs, the sequencing of tracks, experimented with backmasking, backwards guitars, synthesizers and sound effects."

To me, that sound on BNL's Pinch Me is either backwards guitar, an attack-delay pedal, the guitarist "coming in" on each note with a volume pedal or the volume knob on the axe as he plays it, or the engineer is doing it during the mix. The effect is to remove the "attack" of the initial string pluck and start the sound "envelope" during the tone of the note itself. This gives the guitar more of a reed instrument sound, same as if it was recorded and played backwards. I bet mB knows knows more details!

Other than The Beatles, I think Dreams on Fleetwood Mac's Rumours album especially demonstrates that sound. For being such an old guy, I admit I like Barenaked Ladies (the group!).

tt (reading Guitar for Dummies)

Very interesting, Alan.
I almost went to see the BNL here in New York last month because I love their opening act, Chantal Kreveziuk.
As far as the song Pinch Me goes, I detected a similarity to Only In Your Heart, but it wasn't blatant enough to stop me dead in my tracks. Still, that sort of guitar solo is nice to hear, and I can't say that I know too many other songs that use that technique.
BTW...Does anyone know who plays that guitar solo at the end of Only In Your Heart on the Homecoming version?
I was also wondering how many people that are serious BNL fans have even HEARD of America? Unfortunately, the question isn't as crazy as it sounds. I have an awfully large number of friends that have never heard of America.....that is until I got done with them :)

Andy

SteveB, there was a rumor earlier this year that the Waterloo concert had been canceled but as far as I know it's still on for this year (rescheduled from last year). Of course, we all know that ALL concerts are subject to change so it's possible that something could come up. The best thing to do is contact the venue (although, they don't always have correct information either). If I hear anything else I'll be sure to post it. --SteveL

Ciao Bruno, I'm here. If there are any photos with your articles, perhaps Steve can put them on. I will forward them to Steve. I don't mind typing the articles onto the Chat Folder here for everyone to read but if they're in Italian, we (or I) will need a translation. Believe me Bruno, your English is fine and it's a lot better than my Italian!

Oh yeah, regarding Huey Lewis as a member of America, I would have to say that that would be "News". (0:

Any Barenaked Ladies fans out there? If so has anyone heard the ALBUM version of their hit song "Pinch Me" (from their latest CD "Maroon")? The single version that gets all the air play (at least up here in Maine) fades out after the third chorus. But the version on the CD ends with a guitar solo very reminiscant of the one at the end of "Only In Your Heart". The guitar is using the same effect that is used in OIYH (which I don't think I've ever heard quite that sound in any other guitar solo until now). The song stops and then restarts w/ the guitar solo just like in OIYH (not nearly as long a pause though) and has a similar feel to it as well.

Is it just my imagination, or did BNL get the idea for this solo from our guys? If so, that certainly proves that America's music is still influential even on today's artists.

To me, it seems there are too many similarities to ignore. If there are others out there that have heard the "long version" of Pinch Me, I'm really interested in hearing your take on this.

Alan

Congrats on the newest fan! Eventually, they sleep thru the night;)

Hi Ciao Johhnny I sended you following italian articles of America (Gerry+Dewey);
copy first article: from newspaper of pop-rock "Ciao 2001" of year 1977; copy second article: from newspaper of pop-rock "Ciao 2001" of year 1980; copy third article: from newspaper "Ciao 20001" of year 1982; copy quarter article: from newspaper "Giornale D'Italia" of year 1982. in the four articlese there are photo of Gerry+Dewey.
Johnny please, if possible, whwn you receive the articles you send copys to Steve Lowry for possible pubblication on sito AMERICA FANS. O.K. Johhnny?
fifth article I don't remember where I preserved. when I find it I send you (article from newspaper "Il Cittadino" of year 2000). I am sorry I don't speak a good English. I was clear?
I propose as new member of America Huey Lewis (what do you think?).
Ciao Johnny Ciao Steve Lowry Ciao all fans
from Italy Bruno

I forgot to say - I aked my son and HIS favorite America song is HAT TRICK !!!!!!

-------> What a surprise

I AM VERY EXCITED TO SEE THAT THE BOYS ADDED 2 SHOWS IN ATLANTIC CITY!!! CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THEM

BTW - STEVE, I HEARD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THAT THEY CANCELLED THE SHOW AT WATERLOO VILLAGE ON JUNE 2ND. ANY TRUTH TO THE RUMOR ?

I WILL BE SEEING THE GUYS 4 TIMES THIS SUMMER- IT'S GONNA BE A GOOD SUMMER !!

* Just have to brag - The newest America Fan came into the world on 2-10-01, I had a son and he will be attending the America concert in Pennsauken,NJ on July 4th

------> Wishing for a full night's sleep !!!!!!!!


Steve

Sounds like a lot of fun. I'll have to see what my schedule looks like the middle of August. --SteveL

I WISH.......Unless an "act of God" prevails or they move Reno East of the Mississippi....sigh.....Maybe if there's a Baseball strike (what do I mean "IF"?) NEXT year.......!!!!!!

TkH<----------whispering

Definitely interested....I'd be happy to do any setting up, or whatever...are you thinking Planet Hollywood again...? Last year was great...hope to see more of you this year...Jim...Steve...??

Erin :o)

hey reno alumni how about another fan gathering???? i know how much fun we all had last time....let's do it again. what do you all think???? i know shari and i will be there and i know erin will too!! anyone else interested.??????? nanse

Thanx for the nice comments TkH!(Beechlady)
I grew up in a musical family,so I really think teaching your kids music at an early age will help them w/other subjects(whatever they may be),in the future.
HOWIE!!! I'M SORRY!!!):
My friend Ross & I did do a instrumental version of "Letter" (me & my RIC, Ross on classical guitar), but the quality of the tape sounded like "crap"(& so did I, ha,ha!) so I really didn't think it was good enough to send in.(I did have a fun night doing it!) I AM looking forward to hearing all the other entries, it seems every time I turn on the computer, I HAVE to listen to M.B's version of "Monster", what an AWESOME cover!! When he comes out w/his CD, I hope he includes it (untouched!) & to Steve: Thanx for sharing my photo, I LOVE the Rickenbacker sound, I allways look foward to seeing Gerry bring his out in concert, (& hearing it in his recordings!)& After reading in Dan's bio that he used a RIC in California Revisited, I had to give it another listen right away! Well, enough rambling from me.....again sorry my posts are so long, I just have been enjoying "posting" lately.

Yes, but then Dan is no "Diamond Dave" either ( when Van Halen was a local "garage" band" we used to say they were alright as long as you could get the door down)

Dan's comments regard a twenty-something ( if that) Gerry, not the man some of us have met. Arrogance and Youth often go hand-in-hand.

Or am I wromg. We saw what happened when Van Halen let David Lee Roth come back LOL

I didn't take Dans comments about Gerry as negatively as some. In any event I would like to hear Gerry's and Dewey's version as well. Gerry may well have thought that he was the most talented. Maybe he was but the 3 of them had a sound that made us their fans. That sound isn't the same as it was. While Gerry and Dewey may deny that America broke up, in a way they did. A full 1/3 of the band left. I think that if Gerry and Dewey would let Dan come back for a reunion they would be on everyones show ! Yes Leno, Letterman, Conan, they would all clamour to have them on their respective shows. This could help remind people that America belongs in the Rock Hall of Fame. Would it be great to see them together again!!!!

Mine has been shipped but hasn't arrived yet. Hopefully soon!

I LOVE Dan's new CD! "Driftin" has a tropical island sound and feel from begining to end. The music is quite consistant, if you like one song, you will sure to like them all. The sound is in the same vein as 'Pure And Lovely' and 'Wailing Wall' found on Bodden Town. I've never been to a tropical island but now at least I can close my eyes, listen to Driftin', and imagine the coconut trees swaying on a beautiful beach.

THAT'S really cute!!!! (((C=
Bringin' him up RIGHT I say, Eddy!!!

TkH<--------soon!

Sorry I missed the chat. We are still embroiled in legal hassles regarding Alan's accident, so I was a tad busy. Is Gary the new Chatmeister??? See you next time.

IMHO America was ROBBED! "JUMP" makes the list, but HWNN doesn't???? WHo got a vote on this thing?

WHERE IN THE WORLD IS YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE SONG CONTEST??
HUH, MR. RICKENBACKER!!!!! YOU SHOW OFF!!!LOL

RICKENBACKER MUST SOUND WONDERFUL!!!!

HL

The Rickenbacker web site has included a photo of Eddie Forsman and his son. It's a great photo and I think you'll all like it:

personal.nbnet.nb.ca/mccorp/friendsforsman.html

To everyone that has submitted their songs to me.
Would you like me to send you a CD that I created with
all contestant's songs on it? and send back your originals!
Email me at hlieboff59@yahoo.com and let me know.

Yes folks, believe it or not, I have finally done the impossible.
I finally finished preparing the songs for the contest.
I'm mailing out the CD to Steve L and then we'll come up with
a plan on how we should go about this. I want to make this real fun and drag this out as much as possible, and to change this revisiting subject of "Reunion." Face it...it's just not going to happen, the guys are just as human as we are and I'm sure in our lives we've made just as many mistakes as they did. As Dan Peek always says "That's Life!" Yes, I know every other band is getting back together (Well not every other band) for a reunion. But at least we got this website thanks to Steve L. and Tom P. Two wonderful people who have dedicated and hardworking individuals who are working their tails off to maintain these sites and make us happy happy fans. So get ready!!!

Yes, and thank you, folder mates, for pointing out the scheduled rerun of the video on VH-1 this afternoon. I had missed it in earlier airings, but this time I taped it. Hey, at least VH-1 has shown it remembers America.

Jim R.

It was fun chatting with everyone on the Live Chat tonight. We missed you there Robyn but Gary Harrison was filling in...not as well as you do but he tried his best. He definitely tried his best, huh "Cinderella". Sorry DaisyJane and SgtDarkness, that we got off topic and got ridiculous.

mB, I was "LegalEgo". Thanks for your interesting chat. I went to the library last week and listened to "Monster" and your other songs. Excellent! But I'm not surprised.

Hey guys I quit my job today. When I got home VH1 was palying pop up video"The 70s". I got home just in time to see the Doobies and America. They had a cut from the musikladen video. It made me feel I did there right thing. Oh I already had another job lined up

Yeah Brad, Boston, thanks my friend! *If they can express brotherly love in Boston, then they can express brotherly love in London.

(*I'm spoofing what the trio said about "Moon Song" during that 1975 Boston concert. Gerry said something to the effect of, "This song is about parties we use to have in the big woods during our high school days. I don't know if you do it here in Boston." Dewey and Dan said, "If we can do it in London, they can do it in Boston.")

It was the Boston concert

Brad

From the Warner "Hideaway" press releases, the feelings toward each other seem to get better based on Dan's mention of "brotherly love" from those releases.

My friend tells me that during either the Boston 1975 show or the Pittsburgh 1976 show, after one of the songs, "Story Of A Teenager" perhaps, Dan says, "Thank you Gerry!" Gerry replies, "Thank YOU Daniel!"

That sounds very brotherly!

Just got done viewing the MusikLaden DVD performance from 1975. It was great seeing the three together again! Clear crisp picture and sound was very good! It was fun seeing how the group had to acclimate to not having an audience. I particularly enjoyed seeing how certain chords and leads were fingered, being that I play guitar. Loads of fun. Highly recommended!

Greg

Just got done viewing the MusikLaden DVD performance from 1975. It was great seeing the three together again! Clear crisp picture and sound was very good! It was fun seeing how the group had to acclimate to not having an audience. I particularly enjoyed seeing how certain chords and leads were fingered, being that I play guitar. Loads of fun. Highly recommended!

Greg

I think Dan's biography has been just great! Sure, there's some less-than-flattering commentary about Gerry, but to be fair, even if true, all of this happened when Gerry was 18 or 19 years old. The Gerry we all love in concert has had a lot of time to mature and adjust to the spotlight (or perhaps what's left of it) since then. What would you do if your dream of becoming a rock star happened while you were still a teenager?

john

It's been a while since I've been on the chat folder, so I want to make sure I still remember my posting password!!

john

Regarding Dan's bio....While I find it interesting reading, I DID notice a little "Gerry-bashing" early on and wondered why Dan would choose to present Gerry in such a bad light? He never seems to slam Dewey in print, it's always Gerry. Not that I want to see Dewey slammed either...but it appears that whatever is between Dan and Gerry runs deep and it becomes apparent why a reunion has never taken place.

Maybe Gerry is or was an egotisical so-and-so...but you can't prove that to me when he's knealing down to sign an autograph for my 5 yr. old nephew...or leaving the comfort of an air-condtioned trailor to go take a photo with Bones's children...or...

Nina (29 inches of snow in Massachusetts!)

Hello every one,what really irks me is the fact of "America" being ignored,sure lots of play on classic radio.But any new release is shoved aside ,Dewey pointed out in an article with the UK's Q magazine that they were always percieved as little brothers of the scene.But amazingly after nearly thirty years of non stop touring(always gave value at resonable prices)and a string of first class recordings that they have always been overlooked when any award is in the offing(hall of fame please take note) and yet groups such as the "Eagles" and "CSN" seemingly have no bother in this field,and yet can take breaks of over a decade or more.May I also say how impressed I am with the adult way in which everyone has handled the Dan Bio thing,sure we all have differing opinions but we can agree to disagree and after all we can only second guess what has been written.I hope little Ronnie comes good,summer can't be far away.

Janice,
Our thoughts & prayers are w/your son Ronnie for a quick recovery!

Regarding Dan's bio....I have only just begun to read through his entries. WOW! I started at the end, and then went right to the beginning. I know, I know, there's controversy in regards to what he has said, but People! The WAY he says them!! Oh Man the Guy Can Write!! It just occurs to me now, why am I so surprised!! Sorry. Duh! But have you caught the phrases? "Illness stalked me like a great stalking thing..." God! That's a great line! ..."climbing into a kaleidoscope..." "combined into some kind of mystical perfume..." Folks, here is a genius with words. Just my own very humble opinion, thought I'd share it with y'all! (Trying to be an aspiring writer meself, you see, it really gets to me when I read something so well written!) Thanks for sharing, Dan. Your talent is admired by this fan.
Beth

Hey Janice, my prayers for you & Ronnie! Hope all is well and getting even better. It's hard when you're baby is sick. Take good care of You, too!
Another Mom

Erin, I haven't received the "official" word from Morey Management yet, but I'm sure I will soon. That's great news. Have lots of fun! --Steve

Thanks Jim...you know I'll be first in line both nights...hope to see you there too!!

Erin :o)

It's a done deal; I think Steve will get the official word soon. Now Erin it's ok to be 1st in line, they know you there.

I just received an email from the Nugget saying America has been booked August 17th and 18th!!!! Do you know if this is for sure, Steve? I hope so, although I don't know how I'm going to wait until August!! Hope everyone is having a great week!

Erin :o)

I agree wholeheartedly. " A true supergroup that needs no introduction" or words to that effect. Yes, what in the world happened?

Great reads. It's important to remember how well respected America's music was. The reviews were gushing, very positive. It was even great to see the positive review of Your Move (an album I too really like). You read comments from Billboard about how America was a top selling act, one of the more influential bands of its time, and you wonder, what the hell's going on? Why is it that the major labels ignore them?

KevinS.

By the way, even though Dan is giving us his warts and all account of his life in America, it's still all about the music. Gerry may have been arrogant, but I sure like what his arrogance created with that classic guitar riff on Ventura Highway. There's no denying that he's a genius when it comes to writing and arranging. And tension always seems to make better art. I'll take tension-provoked songs like "Til The Sun Comes Up Again" and "Only In Your Heart" any day. Hey, if nothing else, Gerry and Dewey ought to reunite with Dan just for the great songs that will result from the friction.

Dan's new CD, "Driftin'" Tales From the Lost Islands is now available and I've been listening to it for the past couple of days. It's the kind of CD that grows on you the more you listen to it. It has a lot of Island flavor to it like Bodden Town and the Christmas CD. You can read all about it and listen to some soundclips on Dan's Web Site and there are links there to 7-Mile Entertainment where you can order the CD. --Steve

Chris, if you go to the Frequently Asked America Pages in the archives section of the Fans web site, you'll find Dewey's answer to the "H" titles question.

Yes and what may be a healthy sense of self in my book may be raging meglomania to you. All a matter of perception.

Eddy, YOU'VE got the right idea, Hero=Dad! (or Moms, G-ma's and pa's, Uncs and Aunts, Bros and Sisters!!!!!)

Amen!

TkH<------------66 degrees!!!!!! ((((C=

Ahhhhhhh, there's a difference between healthy sense of self and an attitude! I also want to clarify that you can do BOTH (creativity AND have an ego) but it may need to be on the clapper.....lol!

Disclaimer: I have never mentioned that I believe anyone lurking or posting here HAS one! (C; (except of course ME!!!! ROFL)

TkH<------The clap's definatly OFF today.....(LOL)

Here's wishing Ronnie a SPEEDY recovery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (C=

TkH

I have to agree w/Kevin's comments also, but I think Robyn made a good point on her last post.
While I admit I enjoy Dan's bio, it's just a good read for me, I'm into the music. On the other hand, it's great to get to see(or meet) your fave artist/musician & get alittle excited (I know I did!) It's still the music that counts for me.
What my fave artists do on their own time is there own business, as far as "Hero worship" well, I did that alittle in my younger day w/The Beatles, but outgrew that. The only "Hero worship" I claim now is to my Dad, he's the one that worked his a** off for his family, & gave us the very best he could, thats who I try to model myself after.
Who I feel for is the kids growing up now days, they can't even look up to their sports figures, so what Dan has been writing hasn't really affected me that much. I guess my point is we're all HUMAN, nobodys perfect, we have all done "crazy" stuff in our lives & we are all different, thats what makes the world go round. Sorry this was so long.

I agree that Dan is being honest, and I do appreciate it. As far as the trio ever getting back together, IMHO, it would be easier to unscramble eggs.

AS far as eos go, what sucessful performer does NOT have a well developed sense of self? It makes it possible for them to do what they do.

I am enjoying Dan's bio. I remember too, that this is his version of events and that there ARE two ( or three) sides to this story.

Hello all..just home checking e-mails and taking a mental break from pure exhaustion (and to get some clean clothes). I am sorry to report that one of Gerry and Dewey's littlest fans (my son, Ronnie), has been fighting pneumonia in the hospital since last week. He slept well last night and is finally responding to antibiotics. I don't have time to scroll but I will catch up another time. Gotta run..hi to all..
Janice

Having discovered so many America albums since I lost track of the band around 1976, I often wonder what is the story behind the "H" albums. I can figure a reason for the names for albums 1 to 3, but after that, was it just a "H" thing for the "H"eck of it? Or did the names mean something? I don't recall that the album names had title tracks so what was it?
I am also interested in the post-Dan names. Again, what do they mean as the tracking does not seem to relate to the album names?
Any ideas?
Chris

I'd like to either third or fourth what Kevin said....

BUT can I add this?

Creativity has NOTHING to do with ego. As a matter of fact the LESS one "ego" (i.e. attitude) has the easier it IS to create. It gets in the way. When people like that give an indication that they HAVE one, you can bet they're NOT in the creative mode..................clap on----clap off.....lol

TkH<--------------moda received

Hello friends - good to be back after my internet interruption. I have been reading, and enjoying, all the posts over the past few months. I have not yet caught up with Dan's bio, but my thoughts are that we can hope like hell (maybe to freeze over) that the original line up returns some day - frankly, I grew up with their music, as a trio, and I can play all their songs any time I want. But the fact is, I can live with the present - it's better than no America at all. There are few line ups still playing after 30 years, and I think we shouldn't live so much in the past. We should treasure the past, but I also know that the world won't change around to suit us. I also think we should respect the wishes of the majority - and really, it is not our call.
I do agree with those that are looking forward to new songs. But there again, we are not suffering from a lack of uplifting America songs over 30 years that we all treasure, and play and from which we still derive immense pleasure.
I only had albums 1 to 5 from the 1970's - which I kept playing through the 80's and 90's as I thought that they had disbanded. I have only seen America once - in the mid 1990's here in Perth. It was then that I decided to track down all their albums since Hideaway. So I have had a great 5 or 6 years "discovering" albums that I did not even know existed, as well as two new albums in that time. I am just thankful that they still have it in them to produce exceptional music and that they still tour.
Even though Dan's songs with D & G are still some of my favourite America music, I really don't believe they would ever emulate these heights even if they did reform as the original line up.
All this IMO, of course.
OK - I need to know something - I'll post it as a separate trivia question..........
Chris

Hello every one,I feel like I'm treading on eggshells at the moment.As the annual reunion speculation is well underway lets ask ourselves a few questions,would a reunion mean a major recording contract? What about Gerry and Dewey's thoughts,as they have kept the band together for so many years.Would it upset the balance of an already tried and tested team? Would it bring automatic success? How long would Dan want to tour if an album was a huge success? As for Dan's bio I must admit to finding it highly entertaining,as for the ego thing,so what.I seem to remember this trio went on to record a further five albums together.Let the story unfold,or are we going to be upset with anything we don't like or don't agree with.By the by "Poco" are well into recording their new album on a major label (Sony)and are touring,which will see them cath up with "our boys" later in the year.

Kevin, I enjoyed reading what you wrote. Although I don't necessarily agree with some of the things you said, I respect you for being bold enough to post your thoughts for everyone to read especially Gerry and Dewey. And I feel the same about all you others who have also posted.

Kevin, you asked if anyone was surprised at what Dan said about Gerry. Well, frankly, I was. I was very surprised. I was shocked, as a matter-of-fact, at some of the things that Dan has revealed to us especially since he's interested in joining Dewey and Gerry in a reunion. Whether or not it is true about Gerry being "egocentric" at that time or even now, it really isn't the point to me. The point is, as I see it, Dan is building a wider gap between G&D and himself. As you said, if all of this drives a deeper wedge, nothing has changed. Perhaps Dan has come to realize this and he's not withholding anything. I don't know. Only Dan can tell us.

I want to be totally honest with everyone here. I DO enjoy reading Dan's bios. I have from the start and I've posted to his guestbook a number of times telling him and Tom so. I look forward to reading all the upcoming bios. But I can't help but wonder how torturous it must make Gerry and Dewey feel not knowing what Dan might tell us next. Perhaps that is just what Dan is hoping to obtain...some form of control. I'm not meaning "control" as a bad thing but merely as something to grasp hold of...a hold that has eluded him since the time he first had a desire to rejoin the group. Honestly, when I read Dan's bio this week, I felt a lot of uneasiness. I felt like I was peeking (hey, what a pun, huh?) into Gerry's private being...a place where I shouldn't be, a place I wouldn't want someone to be if it were me. Yeah, I didn't have to read this week's bio but my curiosity was too great. After all, what diehard America fan wouldn't want to know more about their musical heroes? Regarding holding the guys in high esteem, I don't think any of us regard any of the three guys as "saints". No one is except "The Guy" who walked on the water 2000 plus years ago, as far as I'm concerned.

All of you who have said that this week's bio is only the first revelation and maybe future bios will smooth things out, I really hope so. We shall see.

Oh yeah, another thing. Kevin, you said Elvis died from an "over-reliance on prescription medication" and not from drug addiction. I don't see any difference. And, those "honest forthcoming workers" at Graceland. Wow, they told you Elvis died on the crapper? They are forthcoming indeed! (Just kiddin' ya.)

By the way, Mama Cass didn't choke to death on a ham sandwich. She died from a heart condition according to her daughter and a physician. A partially eaten ham sandwich was nearby and it was merely assumed to be the cause, initially.

And Dan, I received the "Highway" box sets today. THANK YOU VERY MUCH for autographing them for Kenji and me!!!

Don't canonize these three men who we admire so much for their music and the memories they evoke. Dewey is no angel. Gerry is no angel. Dan is no angel. I'm no angel. If you build someone up to be something more than he really is, you're bound to be disappointed.

I remember a story from the mid 1970s, when America was on top and John Lennon had pretty much hit rock bottom socially, if not musically. One night, Lennon, partying with Harry Nilsson and Ringo Starr in a L.A. nightclub (during his separation from Yoko), got thrown out after inciting a fight. He reportedly struck a waitress. Her reaction? "It's terrible to find out your hero is an asshole." Yes, it's a shame when a man, a talented songwriter and fabulous rock vocalist, turns out to be human. How dare he have a chemical dependency problem. The nerve of him. And to think she used to enjoy his music.

It hasn't always been easy, but I've learned to separate artistic appreciation from personal worship. Compared to Lennon, who I still miss and admire and liked despite his faults, Bunnell and Beckley have had it easy dealing with fame and fortune. I also suspect they are much more likable and easier to get to know. But I do not pretend that Gerry has no ego. My God, he's an artist. He's left brained. He's talented. And, as artists go, a mature, respectful human being. As is Dewey. Please don't try to build them up into something more than that.

I'm not sure what to make of Dan's honesty, except that he certainly hasn't represented himself as a saint. If America ever comes together again as a trio, they are certainly going to have to overcome these personality differences. But, as I see it, these differences are shallow compared to the raging egos within the Eagles, the Who, Simon and Garfunkel,... Need I go on.

I like America. I love the memories. The guys deserve all the credit in that respect. But the guys aren't saints, for chrissakes!

Jim R.

"...
Sure he's been candid about drug use. But, did you really think the three of them were saints? They were in their early 20 on top of the rock world in the early 70s. You'd have to be naive to think otherwise. "

I also appreciate Dan's honesty. It does, however, break my heart to hear about it since I all but worship the three of them (individually and as a group). Yes, the 70's must have been an unusually rediculous time to be a rock star, and intellectually I just assume the worst. Still, since I listened to the group probably more than I listened to my parents, and since they made the 80s so much better for me personally, I cringe when I hear about any sort of destructive behaviour.

I second Kevin S.'s comments on Dan's bio.

Hey Jim,

Not that I'm aware of. Perhaps they've moved.

Joe B

I think Dan's bio is wonderful, and his latest edition is perhaps the best yet. His honesty is refreshing.

Frankly, does anything he's said really surprise anyone?

Sure he's been candid about drug use. But, did you really think the three of them were saints? They were in their early 20 on top of the rock world in the early 70s. You'd have to be naive to think otherwise.

On that front, Dan hasn't said anything that hasn't been alluded to by Dewey for instance. I've heard Dewey refer, on numerous occassions, to the fact that the three of them took advantage of the 70s scene, and how lucky they were that none of them ever got too swept up in it. What did you think he was referring to?

Besides, if anything, Dan has been a lot more critical and open about his own personal demons than he has about the other two guys', simply leaving their daliances to our imaginations. I'd rather hear this true account than the sanitized crap you get from other sources.

For instance, I went to Graceland a few years ago, and do you know how Elvis died? Not from a drug addiction like the "press" would have you believe. Thanks to the honest forthcoming workers at Graceland, I now know the truth. Elvis died from an "over-reliance on prescription medication." What, do they think we're idiots? The big fat bloated fool drugged out on the crapper. (Actually, if you've seen the inside of Graceland, you'd think he really died of retina damage).

It's refreshing to hear the truth, because if he didn't go there, I'd cry bullshit and the entire thing would be a PR effort. The fact that Dan is honest about what happened (and mostly to about what he went through) makes for good reading. How often does anyone get a glimpse inside the making, maintaining and eventual un-making of a rock band.

As far as his latest "scoop" about Gerry being egocentric: First of all, we don't know what subsequent editions are going to reveal. Let's get the whole story first. Second, is that really a surprise to anyone about Gerry Beckley? (If you answered "yes" please read the credits to Human Nature.) Most bands have one or two members who are convinced they are the creative leader and the other guys are along for the ride. Ever heard of the Beatles?

Will Dan's comments piss the other guys off and drive a deeper wedge into a possible reunion? Maybe. But Gerry has said a number of times that it won't happen. So nothing's changed.

But, maybe it will bring them together. Maybe his bio will also remind them of the great times they shared, the wonderful music the three guys performed together, the legacy the three of them left. And maybe it will eventually shed some insight into Dan's reasons for leaving that the two of them may not ever have realized.

Who knows. I admire Dan's honesty. And I can't wait to hear more.

KevinS.

Thanks Joe B. !
are the Bulls still around ?

Hey You People,

Here's a fun way to pass a few minutes of the day. Go to http://Billboard.com Enter "America" in their artist finder and enjoy reviews of all their albums. Pretty cool stuff!

Peace
Joe B

P.S. Go Cubs
P.P.S. Go Fighting Illini
P.P.P.S. Sox blow

I don't think what I posted on this folder this past Saturday is being judgmental of Dan at all. I was merely stating an opinion regarding how this will affect any hopes of a reunion. I think a person could say I'm being judgmental if I was trying to say why I think Dan posted what he has. Also, we can all be friends here and still have differing opinions.

I certainly don't know Gerry personally. But I think I know one thing for sure and that is, that he is a very private person. I can only try to put myself in his shoes at this time. And if I were him, I wouldn't like for my fans to read such things about me whether they be accurate or not. I certainly don't believe that this will help reunite the trio but quite to the contrary.

Well, I don't know about you, but I personally would not feel very comfortable, if a former collegue decided to post revelations about ME on the Internet for the world to see. That's all I'm saying.

Anyone remember being young? It's all water under the bridge. I can't believe that Gerry and Dewey would be that touchy about the past. They've had a great ride and are continuing to do well. Keep it up Dan.

Hello every one,seems like the hounds have been released.How quick we are to judge,even before the whole story has unfurled,mention was made earlier to this topic but passed without a wimper,so what's so different now.

While I agree that this is a "warts and all" bio, my grandmother always told me if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all. Sometimes being brutally honest is not the right thing to do. In this case, I do believe that Dan is widening a chasm he had hoped to bridge.

Why? Just because of a few words from Dan? If they were honest, words it shouldn't make any difference. Honest words can lead to greater understanding.

Dan's bio about homecoming gives me a greater appreciation for the lyrics and the love/hate relationship that fame/fortune must have thrust upon young stars.

If you've missed it before--you have the opportunity again on 3/7 at 2:30 P.M to see America on Pop Up Video on VH1

What happened to make you feel that way?

I guess I always assumed the lyric was the standard "cheating in school" thing.......hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

TkH<--------------not there.

I've always thought that the following lyric from "To Each His Own"..."They just got caught with writing on their sleeve," was a slang term for something else. I've mentioned that here once before.

Regarding another subject, I think if there was any chance of the trio reuniting, it's been shot to hell for sure now. But like I said a week or two ago, it was my understanding that it wasn't gonna happen anyway. There's no doubt in my mind that it ain't goin' to now!

Ain't technology GRAND?

TkH<------living it

I remember the first day I walked into Best Buy (in '96) and looked at the America section. I found "Live" ('77), Homecoming and Hearts all in there (they became mine-it was close to Mother's day, so I had an excuse to me nice to MEEEEEE!). It was so wonderful to have them after only having America, History and Encore for so long! I ended up scouring the web shortly there after to pay the hefty prices for the imports for the rest (by FAR the hardest one to get was Harbor, Holiday wasn't a picnic, either!), but had them all promptly by early '97.......(ouch) So consider yourself lucky now! There WAS a time back a while back, all you lil'whippersnappers....(rofl)

TkH<--------those newfangled DVD's.....they'll NEVER replace the sound of an 8-track.......ca-CLICK

After not having heard a reply from Hewlett-Packard regarding my defective original modem, I decided to use my PC card modem-equipped laptop to search the HP support center for info. Sure enough, after pressing buttons until I found my specific laptop, I found this message in bright red print: Important message - modem upgrade. I followed the link to discover a longer message indicating that HP was aware of the fact that all ESS Technology modems installed in various HP laptops (not just the Pavilions)had failed on Feb. 21. Was it a mean virus? A Y2K type event? HP isn't saying. But the link offered a patch that took about 15 minutes to download and less than two minutes to install. I'm again communicating to this chat folder with my original modem and now have two working modems at my disposal. Had Best Buy's techs done a little research last week and contacted HP concerning this event (instead of chalking up the multiple modem failures as a "bad batch"), Best Buy would have saved itself time and money (including the free PC card modem and installation on my computer and the return of two new machines). Hope you don't need a similar lesson in modern communications failures.

Jim R.

Way to go, Robyn. Enjoy your own private Hideaway!

I've got 'em all on CD, as well. It's not as easy as you may like since stock tends to run out if you wait too long too complete the collection. Sometimes you're forced to pay the "import" price, which could be twice as high as the domestic print. However, as Robyn indicated, all the albums have been made in CD form.

I suggest you check Circuit City for the Capitol albums or place all the America albums you need on your wish list on CDnow. The dot-com retailer runs wish list sales at least twice a year and notifies you via e-mail when the sale begins. You could, in effect, get all the America albums that you need on sale, in this manner. Me? I'm too impatient and I paid too much, but then again I enjoyed the music more quickly.

I need to stress that CD print runs do sell out, and sometimes it'll be a couple of years or longer before more are made. For instance, I hesitated in adding John Lennon's "Mind Games" to my CD collection and witnessed as both Best Buy and CDnow ran out of stock. Recently, CDnow got a new shipment, so I ordered when during a "storewide" sale, but my assumption that the stock was deep was wrong. Buy 'em when you find 'em at a retailer charging a fair price. That's my motto -- one I'm sure to ignore again, I'm sure.

Jim R.

Steve, all of America's CD's are available online. Amazon and CDNOW are just a couple of places to get them. You can also go to the America Fans CD Sources web page for a list of online sources. -SteveL

YES!!! I got them all from cdnow, via a link on the old venturahighway.com page. ( www.cdnow.com) I have been listening to Hideaway an awful lot of late! Enjoy, Steve

Just found America Homecoming in CD form. It's from the Warner Archives. Sure wish I could get all of America in CD's. Does anyone know if this is possible? I'm having an America Homecoming afternoon. Lots of memories

I have a better idea Kevin. If you have dubbing ability on your system--and a portable tape or CD player--you can play America without Dan -Dub in Dan--OKAY so it might not be the same song but who knows what one can produce!!

You want to hear America as a trio again? It's easy. Do what I did. Get yourself one of them CD burners, and produce your own. Start off with the best of Human Nature combined with the best of Van Go Gan and the best of PEACE and Bodden Town and, viola, instant new America recording: Wednesday Morning, Call On Me, Wheels Are Turning, Emma, Endless Flight, Pages, Now Sue, Revolving Door, Overwhelming World Suite, Heartland, World Alone, Playing God, Whispering, Ooloololo, Bodden Town, and a few others I can't remember right now. Instantly Dan and Dewey and Gerry are back together.

KevinS.

What I think would be really great to have is a live recording of the TRIO performing during the 1975 or 1976 time-period. I'm talking about a Warner release...a professional release. That is something that we don't have. As I've said a number of times, the trio performing live together is magical!

I've seen the video of the trio performing without a live audience. Although it is good, a live performance with an audience captures the guys at their very best. "So please believe in me when I say...nobody's given nothing to the America fans that we didn't, didn't already have."

Believe me, you ain't heard nothing like the three together live! Maybe Rhino can do something for us again!

I've always wondered why the DVD/CD/VHS only has one Gerry song on it? Was Gerry not feeling well? Did he do more songs that were cut? I'm not knocking it, it's a GREAT CD! THE BEST LIVE AMERICA CD! Dan and Dewey really rock on it! But it would have been nice if it would have had another song or two by Gerry.

Jim, thanks for the info.
Reason I asked because on original musikladen, Sandman is on there,
of which I have on video. Why it was edited, I don't know. It's short
enough as it is.sheesh!

Dewey and Gerry are great...but with Dan involved and their harmonies, I don't care what song they play, they will always sound better with the three of them.

I think the $27 price was in his e-mail. I'll try to find it again and confirm the low-end price, but it sounds realistic. I haven't been to Potawatomi casino, so I'm not sure where the "cheap" seats are.

Jim R.

Howard (and everyone else), to see what's on the Musikladen DVD, go to the Musikladen DVD web page on the fans web site. --SteveL

Sorry no SANDMAN. But MOON SONG, RAINBOW SONG, GREEN MONKEY, WIND WAVE, LONELY PEOPLE among others. All sounds converted to Dolby 5.1
GERRY is a wizard here,a true wizard. DEWEY a Greek God in command of his songs. DAN works every note to perfection.

Jim N, is Sandman on that DVD?
HL

Bonzy, you make an excellent point. Don't think I can argue much there. I can only say: DG&D's harmonies are unmatched!

I guess that Young Moon, Sleeper Train, Garden of Peace, Hope, Mirror to Mirror, Close to the Wind, From a Moving Train, Wednesday Morning, Wheels are Turning, and Pages would of sounded better with Dan, I don't believe so, but that's just my opinion.

Perhaps, it they want perfection in their next CD...they should include Dan Peek! Now that would be PERFECT

Thanks again, Somebody, for sharing Janis' observations. Definitely sounds like a lot to wrestle with, Matt! It again reminds me of the ever-narrowing power center due to mega-mergers, which is so true in all industry. What has mostly bothered me all along, even long before reading this excellently presented inside account, is the way any artist's work ever gets to the masses in the first place. Unless your name is Ross Perot or Bill Gates (both notable musicians) and starting your own road show, the only outlet is the network or syndicated media, with the exception of campus radio, Napster, or MP3.com, etc.. For every 20 or more times we hear the same "crappy" song during one DJ's shift on a particular station, we could be hearing 19 newer, fresher, and yes, better songs at least once. The recordings don't already have to be in production with thousands of CDs in warehouse shelves waiting to sell, but just quality demos. As I believe it is with politics, elections, and any products these days, the products don't have the ability to sell themselves, regardless of quality, because of all the pundits, market analysts, and bought-off promoters who are out there deciding what gets funneled to the consumer. Obviously the "problem" also stems from the marriage between the recording industry and broadcasting media, not just the recording industry itself.

Some ray of hope is on the horizon with certain radio frequencies being up for sale to create "private" radio stations, and with the internet, but that may go the commercial way, too. So much good art is not out there (or in there, as Beech says) that could outsell and definitely outdo in popularity and general aesthetics what we get now, and whether the artist cares if it ever gets circulated or not, it's a shame how so many potential listeners or viewers are missing this completely.

When I turn on a radio and hear Dr. Laura or Rush Limbaugh saying the same things on 3 or more local stations at the same time, or realize that major TV news networks share ownership with newspapers, major magazines, and now internet services, I get the feeling that the same something is being shoved down my throat over and over, when only a fraction of all that airtime bandwidth could be dedicated to true art and talent. That's just the way it is...some things will never change. From Majors to Minors to Indies, and to Those Who Don't Give a...

Given Janis Ian's thoughts, how does this pertain or relate to the Guys? I think it can be taken many ways, as there are no fast rules in the long run. I, as a consumer and fan, with other poeple to whom I could spread the word, am not dreaming of or longing for any hits, awards, trio albums (we got them already), or extended trio tours. I would die right now with a smile if I could just see the three founders of America standing together playing kazoos...in harmony, of course. Thanks, Steve, for your underground site!

jim r. - i didn't even see the $27 ticket price?! all i saw was the upper end? i think i could swing the lower range - how did you find this out?

red oak - yes, perhaps august will a good month for a midwest show!

We can keep wishing, Alan!

Bruno,
Please be patient. Lots of work is being down by AMERICA to finish songs. They continue to tour quite extensively & are working hard to get new material completed. B/4 the year is out, perhaps we will hear good news. GERRY & DEWEY are perfectionists when it comes to song creation & finalization.

I read about Gerry's next solo album. It is very good.
But I need of new album of Gerry+Dewey+Company in short a new album of America.
Ciao to All
Bruno

Horizon? Horizontal Fall? Hmmmmm. Suppose Norman will be on it?

Hey:
Thanks so much for the information! I am new to this chat. Thanks so much for your reply! Greg

It's kind of nice that someone finally put down in words what I PONDER......hey the thing is wordy, but it's SO true! You have a baby then put it up for adoption......when the child comes back full grown you wonder, "if I'd kept her/him would she/he have TURNED OUT DIFFERENTLY?"

I too have several projects "in the can". NO ONE has heard them (outside of family and friends) and although I'm not extremely proud of THAT, I believe the music is good. It's all the other "stuff" that goes into marketing and promotion that makes me shiver. Yeah, it HAS to be done (if you want the "audience"). Yeah you NEED their help (the companies-unless YOU want the stress and hassle). I hope that the internet will dramatically change things for those of us with no resources (i.e. NO MONEY). Must be I was born 60 years too late----LOL!

TkH<------------SoL

The DVD quality is excellent. This disc is highly recommended. There is no audience so AMERICA is only focusing on the music. It's really very intense & contains some souped versions of certain songs, such as TIN MAN. Sort of in contrast to the concert in Central Park, a Pioneer laser disc where there were thousands of fans. I think that HORSE video CD contains a subset of the Musikladen DVD. Let us know what you think, especially when GERRY turns to the crew & asks 'if they can do that one again.'

Hi: Does anyone know are these two the same? What is the quality of the DVD? Just curious. Thinking of buying it. Thanks! Greg

My band is currently doing an 8 song DIY CD. Thankfully, our drummer has something that sort of resembles a recording studio. Actually, it resembles more like a garage with an inexpensive 8-track recorder and a couple of Shure SM58 microphones. We're not expecting to win the Grammy for best new artist next year, but, we're having alot of fun and we're enjoying the experience of writing and recording. Thanks a whole bunch Steve, for the link. I've printed it for the rest of the band to read.

Pat

With no dates set yet for August, maybe they will do The Iowa State Fair. That would be close for you, right?

Terry, somebody sent me a mail message pointing me to the treatise. Like you, I haven't had a chance to read it all thoroughly yet, but I did glance over enough of it to get the gist of what she was saying. Regarding the tiny print, I had my glasses on (LOL). From Matt's response it's obvious that he can relate and I suspect that all musicians can in one way or another.

Sorry, everyone. I had the flu so I missed last night. See you next week!

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